Doesn't look like this forum is very active. I'll chime in and see what happens. A close friend was active in the firefighting scene in W. Montana, McCall, Idaho, etc. in early 1970's and he introduced me to Whites and Ruanas. I have both today and we are now in our 60's. He lost his Ruana at a gutpile, but told my son how nice they were. My boy bought an M stamp sticker at a pawn shop for $15 and immediately left it at a gut pile. hahaha. I have 3, a big Vic Hangas skinner and a smaller one, and a M stamp sticker. I didn't get them for $15 though. As great as Rudy's old knives were, they can't hold a candle to Vic's. I am hoping to visit the shop one day; I am 500 miles SE of there.