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Joe, you wrote "The information given about the sheaths in the post above is incorrect..." To which I can only respond with 'Ha, so sayeth you...'

I think our difference of opinion, btw, comes from your steadfast belief that only crudely made unmarked sheaths are 'Stockman' versions...and until you get past that, realizing that Jimmy Stockman was a skilled craftsman and established local harness & saddle maker of note in the Orlando area (with his shop still backlogged and running today) then we'll continue to disagree...



Yes, so sayeth me. I'll net it out for you. With all due respect, that is probably because Sheldon I have examined several thousand times more vintage knives/sheaths than you have. An infintesmial amount of those with sheaths from the period are neither Heiser or Johnson. So, until "you get past that", you bet will will disagree. EVERY Stockman sheath I have seen is as stated of much less quality than either a Heiser or Johnson of the period. They are all UNMARKED in i.e. sans logo stamp. Is there a Stockman sheath out there that is stamped? Possible but not probable. I don't think the RMK stamp was used until a true sheathmaker was found, i.e. Johnson.

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That said, based on numerous well-made brown button sheath examples with & without (slightly larger than normal) model indication stamps and horizontal RMK 'football' sheath stamps - sheaths known to predate Maurice Johnson's association with RMK; well-made sheaths known to have been made by someone other than the H.H. Heiser company; sheaths made well after Clarence Moore had stepped out of the picture...then I would say that Mr. Stockman did a pretty fine job with his sheaths...



There are no "well made sheath examples" by Stockman, relatively speaking. The are of inferior quality to other makers, period. The leather, craftmanship, and stitching is not up to par to the other makers.

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Being that it's oft been referenced in the past (by you, amongst others) that several individuals were making trial examples and 'one-off' models of various sheath types for RMK during the late 1950's & early 1960's period...then you may want to consider that someone other than Jimmy Stockman built those crudely made, unmarked, odd-ball sheaths (just a thought)...



Sure, there may be a couple of odd balls floating around, but if you know what you are looking at you can pick a Stockman out relatively easily by the common traits.

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FWIW, for those just learning here, I'm basing my statement on the thinner type reddish 'saddle leather' used; the rounded butterfly beltloop; and the stitching method employed...these characteristics are common to almost all Stockman sheaths from the period, whether RMK logo stamped or not...



FWIW, for those just learning here, don't believe everything you read. Tell me how both the sheath referenced in your book and the one up for auction have Stockman characteristics? The photos I posted are without a doubt a Stockman, the sheaths you reference aren't even close. Not a little bit.

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As always, your comments are welcome Joe, but in this case, as in the past, we'll have to disagree - again...

p.s. How ya doing on producing that 'proof' that M. Johson was making sheaths for RMK back in 1961? We've been hearing about it for years now; I for one would sure like to see it...



Yeah, unfortunately you probably never will. My hands are tied on this one.

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p.p.s. A story unto itself - after seeing photos of the sheath, the 'C' model sheath mentioned in the initial post; while attributed to have been made by 'someone other than Heiser or Johnson', is in my opinion a Johnson sheath...



Well no sh!t !! Imagine that ! Like with the other sheaths referenced in this discussion, dont' try to make something it isn't.