Wayne, normally it wears the Baramis plus Tyler, but the gun mainly used in winter for pocket carry, no hip grip handle works under a tucked in shirt. Come warmer weather and untucked shirts, the Baramis go back on.

As for the T-grip, it plus factory wood beats most custom grips and current factory rubber for control AND comfort. Most new grips concentrate on skinny/flat, fly back in hand, and what filler they add at top of grip either also skinny and hard, or inadequately thick rubber, so frame pounds base joint of thumb/web. The wider old factory wood plus T-grip allows an actual hold enough to CONTROL the gun, puts the recoil back in palm where it belongs, and only a stinging slap there, rather than bone with skin stretched tight taking the gun rearing back.

Took me a while to admit most customs no good in comparison, was sucked into the boot grip thing and wondered why I had started hating J-frames, and why they hurt when memory told me they didn't seem so bad when I was younger. Just another example of failed must-have "improvements".