And Wayne, I totally agree as to the round, it does more work at lower pressure with less hooplah. The rep of kicking as a mule was from the fairly recent no earplugs days, no denying the ol' fohty fahv a boomer, which made recoil seem Richter scale. The alternative round which is impressing me is what has been done with the 9mm, which is now the functional equiv of modern downloaded (for all the snubbies) .357 Magnum. Even the G43 gets 1250fps+ with a lot of the 115gr JHP, but, that is for a diffenrent thread.