#15414 - 03/05/07 03:29 PM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: kdhampton]
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Ok guys…you asked and I will deliver, but first this is my opinion…never want to hurt new makers feelings so don’t take it that way. The leather thong I make..I did not come up with, Bob Loveless did, so I need to give credit where it is deserved, and he deserves it. He said it was intended to find the knife in adverse conditions…like in the dark when you need to stab a bad guy. I saw my first on a Battle Knife he made, a life changing experience. I would not want to have this knife thrust’d in my gut. Since that time I have figured out that these leather things really only work well…short, tight, and on a Back Pocket knife. Kerry’s knife looks good in the picture (well done by the way), but I would not want to be running through the bush with that bouncing all over the place like my daughters pony tail. With the bead on the end the added weight would make it even worse. I also think with it that long it would get snagged on something and there goes your knife. What I found is that nylon rope (like what comes on a Randall) works much better. When you have the knife on your side you run the rope through your belt loop and the over the end of the knife. This will not let the knife leave you in any condition. More on the subject soon.
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#15415 - 03/05/07 03:59 PM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: John_Nugent]
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Makes sense to me. Thanks for all the info and tips. I'm probably going to cry on my pillow tonight though 
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#15416 - 03/05/07 04:14 PM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: kdhampton]
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Ok, Thought I had some old ones that I had cut off, but the must have gotten tossed. I could have scanned those..oh well. I hope JT you got some good “Ladigo” leather. Stuff that is tuff as nails and wont tear when you pull it…cuz you need to pull the hell out of it. Cut a strip about ½ to 3/8” wide..and about twice as long as you think you want it. Cut points on each end. Really tapered points make it much easier. Then, get the leather wet…with HOT water. This breaks down the leather’s stiffness and the as it dries it tights up. Take the point then run it through the hole of the knife…once it has come through grab it with a pair of pliers…I use lineman pliers.. And yes water will squeeze out of your leather and all over your knife…oh well, they should be able to get a little wet. So now you have two equal ends sticking out of either side of your knife…I make sure the slick side is out…Get a hole punch, the kind that are like pliers. Depending on which side you want the braid to face punch a ¼” hole or smaller. I do it really close to the knife. Then on the other side move away, down ¼” or so and punch another hole..alternating back and forth. I only do 3 holes on each side. Pull the leather through, alternating through each hole. I pull them tight! Then cut the points off and cut the V’s. As it dries it will become stiff, which is ok. Put some lemon oil on the Bone or Stag and leather too..With the short leather thing on there you can easy find the knife in your back pocket…the more you use it the more patina it gets…here is one of mine up close and personal.
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#15417 - 03/05/07 04:54 PM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: John_Nugent]
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Great Post! Thanks for the how to John..nice close up picture Kerry..I am really impressed with that knife! Fine Work let us know when you open the books! 
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#15419 - 03/05/07 06:30 PM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: John_Nugent]
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Dang serious talent on this forum John I wouldn't mind holding that knife till Trevor's of age
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#15421 - 03/05/07 08:40 PM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: John_Nugent]
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If Trevor is carrying that, what are you carrying? That Killer stag Bose?
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#15422 - 03/05/07 09:00 PM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: Edge1302]
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Nope & Nope…Trevor is not carrying that, or any other knife right now. You need to know what your dealing with before you let him take off in the woods with that..He can sharpen a knife better than most…kinda scary I don’t carry a BP anymore….I love big knives, but don’t really need or like carrying them..too much hardware. I carry a Wharncliffe Trapper in D-2 that I made and that’s enough for me. In the past when I did try,…. I carried a few Bose, then I made my own, carried some of these (knives with tons of mistakes). I think it’s a great hobby collecting knives, but a maker…even a wanna be like me should carry his own.
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#15423 - 03/05/07 10:02 PM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: John_Nugent]
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Good Lookin blades John..Trevor must gets his skills from his old man.. but its almost criminal not to cary that Stag BP..surrender that knife sir and you will not face charges 
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#15424 - 03/06/07 02:34 AM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: John_Nugent]
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I think it’s a great hobby collecting knives, but a maker…even a wanna be like me should carry his own.
John, I salute you. I totally agree. I have to really wonder about any maker that doesn't carry and use his own knives -- I don't think I would ever want to buy a knife from such a maker (and it's more common than you might think). I've heard it called "eating your own dogfood" -- you have a real incentive to improve when you have to put up with and actively use your own work -- be it food, software, furniture, tools, knives, whatever -- and you gain far more insight into your craft in the process.
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#15425 - 03/06/07 07:37 AM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: Dwight_Hughes]
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I have had people tell me it doesn't cost me anything to carry my own knives but it cost me as much as anyone, if I wasn't carrying it I would be selling it. I can't carry across the counter anymore, they just don't do it for me.
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#15426 - 03/06/07 08:58 AM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: Tony Bose]
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OK...guys, here is a quick and not so good pic of my effort yesterday. Not too excited about the color of this leather but it was the thinnest strongest stuff I could find. I needed it thin to fit in the smaller lanyard hole of this great 4inch RB stag Millenium I have been carrying. Thanks JpN for the run through. An thanks Tony for chiming in on the forums...I really like it when I see his name up (hope its really him  ). JT
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#15428 - 03/06/07 10:12 AM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: John_Nugent]
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JT, good first effort on the thong, but you need to send that knife back. The edges are all fuzzy.
JPN, I've also seen instructions for that thong in some old leathercraft books. What I haven't seen is the reason to use it...always thought it was just for decoration... or the idea of wetting the leather first. I'll have to give that a try. Tell Trevor I'll trade him an X-box for that BP if he wants.
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#15430 - 03/06/07 11:19 AM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: John_Nugent]
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Moderator Bose Forum
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me like!  Trevor has a nice knife and made by his dad...even better.
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#15432 - 03/06/07 11:25 AM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: fasteddie]
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Moderator Bose Forum
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Schweet! Great image too.
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#15433 - 03/06/07 11:56 AM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: fasteddie]
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You didn’t stray Ed…its about the leather. Here is the one that hooked me many years ago He never cut the V's in. I saw the way the V's were cut in on some tabs sticking out of a Bolin Saddle...thought it was a little better
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#15434 - 03/06/07 12:39 PM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: John_Nugent]
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Looks Great JT! Ed straying is welcome when the steel is that pretty awesome SH Hey John I appreciate the detail shot but you gotta pull back and show us that knife
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#15435 - 03/06/07 12:43 PM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: John_Nugent]
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Moderator Bose Forum
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the V cut ends look way better imo. btw, when I reverse engineered the deal in my mind, I didn't punch holes, I just made parallel slits. Worked on the thin stuff ok.
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#15438 - 03/06/07 05:50 PM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: jt2gt]
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Showstopper! oh ya and the knife is nice too  seriously though that knife is the stuff of LEGEND
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#15441 - 03/07/07 12:05 AM
Re: OK, JpN, bought some scrap leather now....
[Re: Tony Bose]
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Tony Bose wrote: I have had people tell me it doesn't cost me anything to carry my own knives but it cost me as much as anyone, if I wasn't carrying it I would be selling it.
Quite true - but it's also advertising of a sort (not that you're exactly hurting for recognition these days ) - and a confirmation of your belief in the quality and integrity of your own work. Quote:
I can't carry across the counter anymore, they just don't do it for me.
Ha! Tony, yours and Reese's work has done that to a lot of us here.
More than simply the thought that a maker *should* carry his own work, that it should mean that much to him - and possibly make him a better maker for experiencing his own work over time and use -- there is always the thought, in my mind anyway, that if the maker cannot make himself his own "dream knife" (or at least one he really enjoys carrying and using) - then how could he possibly make such a knife for *me*?
-- Dwight
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