OK Joe, really?


Originally Posted By: crutchtip
Ron -

good to see you posting, irrespective of the topic. Sorry you were dragged into this if that is the case, but it is eery how much Sam sounds like you when presenting his argument. Particularly with his latest foray with "edge beveling". Quite a coincidence that lo and behold something that we both know you and I discussed previously (on at least a couple of occasions) now suddenly appears at this late date. Shocker.


Tell me Joe, what's shocking to you? Do you know me? Ever met me? Estimated my intelligence level? Hmmm?

I picked up on the edge beveling Joe, because Ron mentioned it in the Heiser v Johnson thread that I read, and there was only a cursory response about it. I thought hmmm, let me look into that. Not rocket science Joe.

As to me sounding like Ron, that may be because I am, like he is, a pretty smart feller. Able to think for myself.

Now to your long drawn out EVASIVE post above.

I asked you for provenance, you gave me referenced threads. Provenance Joe, provenance.

Die cuts
Belt loop shapes
Overall stitching. PROVENANCE PLEASE!
Butterfly shape

Those are all observations Joe....not provenance.
Sorry, try again. I will not accept your opinion as provenance.

I provided you with provenance, you gave me opinion.

I question, frankly, your overall opinion on these early RMK sheaths. Specifically, here is why.

1) You stated in your footnotes 3 that:

Originally Posted By: crutchtip
My final thought is that for my collecting purposes, and the resemblance to Heiser sheaths aside, until some evidence arises to determine otherwise I still consider all these early sheaths with the Randall Made Knives logo to be made by Maurice Johnson. It just keeps it nice and simple.


Anyone who would rather keep it nice and simple, and lump them all together as Johnson made, knowing that many are Heiser/HKL, as evidenced by your statements, illustrates to me that you are confused by the whole mess.

You openly contradict yourself.

As I suspected, when I gave you examples backed with commonly known sheaths with Heiser/RMK provenance, I knew full well that you would respond with in essence, "trust me, I just know that these West facing, serif numbered sheaths I have shown you are Johnson made."

YOU HAVE NO PROVENANCE Joe, to back up those years of claims. Only years of handling them. Man, you have been doing this so many years, think back to those early days when you started giving info about these early RMK sheaths. Did you EVER provide actual provenance for it? Or just an educated guess?

Again, handling sheaths obviously doesn't mean much to you, Mr Mathews has handled a few, has he not? Oh but he is mistaken?

No Joe, you are.

Much like Ron, I am through with this discussion with you. Unless you have provenance for any of it.

Good day Sir.





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