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#123962 - 01/23/15 10:36 PM Re: Heiser/Johnson Sheaths: Part II *** [Re: crutchtip]
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The first & second sheaths (on the left) are identical, with regards to the stitch size and pattern,(in regards to the way the hone pockets are attached). The same can be said for #4 & #5. The Heiser is totally different from all others. Number 3 has aspirations of the Heiser look, even to the extended back-stitching atop the edge side of the hone pocket. #3 has a screwed-up sheath stamp also??
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#123972 - 01/25/15 08:48 AM Re: Heiser/Johnson Sheaths: Part II [Re: crutchtip]
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Originally Posted By: crutchtip
Agree, that is why I mentioned that and questioned that one. I don't have them in hand so going by photos. Good eye.


Joe, realizing you do not have the sheaths in hand, can you share some additional thoughts on what you think about sheath #3?
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#123973 - 01/25/15 09:19 AM Re: Heiser/Johnson Sheaths: Part II [Re: TAH]
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Here's an auction with clear side-by-side photos of a Heiser stamped sheath and Randall stamped sheath. A lot of similarities ("tooled" edge, stitching, even the "tooled" edge on the hone pocket flap is identical), but there are also differences specifically with the Heiser having a flared throat.

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#123977 - 01/25/15 02:35 PM Re: Heiser/Johnson Sheaths: Part II [Re: TAH]
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Tom,

I think the stitching seems a bit different, and it is really evident on the butterfly. That being said, the #1 sheath could be an HKL produced item. This one has the Heiser/HKL shape and thus most likely what it is.


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#123978 - 01/25/15 03:24 PM Re: Heiser/Johnson Sheaths: Part II [Re: crutchtip]
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Originally Posted By: crutchtip
I think the stitching seems a bit different, and it is really evident on the butterfly. That being said, the #1 sheath could be an HKL produced item, or is it? This one might indicate a trend towards an early Johnson.


Joe, I agree the butterfly pattern and thread appear different, but the front stitching and the thread itself looks very close - down to even the way the front stitching is counter sunk. Another small detail, but not as significant, is the "7" stamped on the back of both sheaths. They look identical to me.
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#123979 - 01/25/15 04:43 PM Re: Heiser/Johnson Sheaths: Part II [Re: TAH]
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Tom -

Here are four sheaths, a Heiser, HKL, the original 1-8 sheath that started the discussion, and a obvious baby dot Johnson. What do you see?

More importantly, what do Ron and Jack see?


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#123980 - 01/25/15 06:01 PM Re: Heiser/Johnson Sheaths: Part II [Re: crutchtip]
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Joe,

To me, the Heiser and HKL look identical. The third sheath looks like a cross between Heiser and Johnson with Johnson characteristics being the leather, the belt loop and possibly the stitching. Of course, I would need to perform a hands-on examination to give you my expert opinion, which would probably only confuse me more. grin
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#123984 - 01/25/15 07:53 PM Re: Heiser/Johnson Sheaths: Part II [Re: TAH]
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Tom,

you are exactly right. If you go back in the original thread and look at more photos of sheath #3 from the left, it looks far more like the Johnson baby dot than the other two on several fronts to also include the overall shape.

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#123985 - 01/25/15 07:55 PM Re: Heiser/Johnson Sheaths: Part II [Re: crutchtip]
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Here is another one. I have my thoughts but curious to hear others'.


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#124012 - 01/26/15 07:51 PM Re: Heiser/Johnson Sheaths: Part II [Re: crutchtip]
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Originally Posted By: crutchtip
And from Ron:

Originally Posted By: Boblade

On the flipside, five have the Randall logos and one has the Heiser logo. From the standpoints of overall quality and stitching patterns, I would guess that the five with Randall logos are all Johnsons.................


So according to Ron, Five Johnson made BB sheaths, three with center snap location, and a combination of both "east" and "west" facing RMK stamps. Hmmmmm. This is totally contradictory to what both he and Jack stated with unbridled affirmation later in Heiser vs. Johnson part I thread. Ron claims they are all Johnson's earlier in the thread but now they are Heiser/HKL. What changed?

Now while the three on the left do have "west" facing stamps and center snap location that according to Ron and Jack would make them Heiser/HKL, they do not even resemble the Heiser pictured a little bit. In fact, none of the five that Ron claims are Johnson's look like the Heiser on the far right, front or back.

**Note, that the belt loop width/shape on the back of sheath third from left is similar to the Heiser. Could that be a sign of an earliest example of a Johnson?

So I am agreeing with Ron's assessment, that these five (third one from left?) sheaths appear to be Johnson made. I am agreeing with Gary Clinton and Mitchell on knife #5 in Gary's photo. Same as the model 1-8 sheath that started this whole thing. Boom!



Ok Joe I will try.....I think the first two on the left are Johnson's. I think the third from the left is a Heiser and the next two are Johnson's and of course the last one is Heiser and so marked.
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