I for one appreciate this information. We don't know what catalog price is since they are not in catalog. I was going to order a Rick Boyles and ask Rick this same question recently and he said there was no base price. So I moved on! Some of us have limited funds to work with and need to way our options what we like vs what we are willing to spend. Kind of like buying a Chevy vs Cadillac or a mattress. Dealers should give the people something to work with. Documentation versus conversation works best for old guys! My current goal in coming months is to have one of all the current dealer specials. Note! I do have a Boyles, just not in the configuration I wanted.