Pap, Thanks for the heads up on the 410 ammo. I have never owned a 410 caliber before this week. My Dad bought me a Remmy 870 20 gauge when I was 11 to us on Dove. Great Dove hunting near Fayetteville, NC back in the 1960's. I loved sitting on that bucket on the edge of the cornfield waiting for the Dove to fly in. Its a shame there is No Dove hunting in Michigan!