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#160330 - 05/15/17 08:46 AM Re: My first Randall and some questions... [Re: polak187]
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Wall Knives are a Randall copy, for the most part. They are a cheap version and certainly not of the Randall quality. That being said, Sullivan's is making his sheaths , the last I heard.

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#160331 - 05/15/17 08:54 AM Re: My first Randall and some questions... [Re: pappy19]
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Originally Posted By: pappy19
Wall Knives are a Randall copy, for the most part. They are a cheap version and certainly not of the Randall quality. That being said, Sullivan's is making his sheaths , the last I heard.

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Thank you for your answer but how is that not a copyright issue?

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#160333 - 05/15/17 09:07 AM Re: My first Randall and some questions... [Re: polak187]
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He's not infringing on the Randall trademark.
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#160353 - 05/15/17 11:44 AM Re: My first Randall and some questions... [Re: W Polidori]
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Yes Capt. that is the hiride I was talking about, thanks for showing the pics. Pappy I'm NOT making Greg Walls sheaths any longer , not sure where his sheaths are made.
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#160359 - 05/15/17 03:40 PM Re: My first Randall and some questions... [Re: pappy19]
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Originally Posted By: pappy19
Wall Knives are a Randall copy, for the most part. They are a cheap version and certainly not of the Randall quality. That being said, Sullivan's is making his sheaths , the last I heard.

Pap


The build quality may not be equal to Randall standards (can't comment on that - never seen/held one) - but pricing wise, they aren't "cheap" - just looked at his site - his prices don't seem too far from Randall catalog pricing. Granted you'll get your knife a lot faster with him - but I don't think the majority of people who "want" Randall's are buying his buy mistake - or that his presence in the market is having a materially adverse effect on Randall's well being as a company.

There have always been "replica" (or inspired by, in the spirit of or whatever your preferred terminology) clones out there for just about any product with a cult following - stuff like that just comes with the territory - I'm sure there are those who like his product - and I personally have no problem with it being sold as long as its sold for what it is - something created to look like a Randall, but with someone else's name on it. Randall didn't invent the knife - just perfected it better than anyone else in the 20th century.

Now those who try to pass their wares off as "original" - thats a different deal. Clearly people out there who try to fool the uneducated - those selling "knock off's" as the real deal are the true crooks.

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#160363 - 05/15/17 04:06 PM Re: My first Randall and some questions... [Re: djefferis]
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Thank you. Reason I was asking because of all the drama (some of it valid) going on with knife industry. People fighting about copyrights, designs being bluntly copied and passed on as original, Chinese knockoffs flooding eBay, even knife terms being copyrighted or bloggers sued by manufactures for unfavorable reviews. I had few fixed blades in my life and most of them were pretty much standard mass production type of the deal. In my line of work I mostly deal with folders and only in the last few years I started carrying a fixed blade in my boot. As I mentioned in my first post this is my first real deal fixed blade that I'm in love with. I want to add another one (shorter) 18 to my collection so I've set my eBay alerts to notify me when something like that comes up and that's how I found out about wolf knives.

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#160380 - 05/15/17 08:21 PM Re: My first Randall and some questions... [Re: polak187]
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The Blackjack brand is also mostly copies of Randall Made models. I believe they are Asian made and haven't looked up any tests.
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#160410 - 05/16/17 05:53 PM Re: My first Randall and some questions... [Re: pappy19]
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Asian? Weren't they made in Effingham, Illinois?
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#160417 - 05/16/17 09:43 PM Re: My first Randall and some questions... [Re: Holzinger258]
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Black Jack Knives History
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Blackjack knives produce hunting, fighting and workman knives.
Blackjack knives began as a company which imported and marketed specialized hunting, fighting and work knives from South Africa. The company developed throughout the years, introducing its own line of knives produced mainly in Japan. In the early 1990s, Blackjack knives moved all operations to the United States. As of 2010, blackjack knives are famous worldwide.
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BlackJack and Chris Reeve
Blackjack Knives began as a company importing and marketing knives for the South African-based knife producer and salesman, Chris Reeve. Chris Reeve Knives began trading in 1984, and Reeve made and sold various knives, including early models of the one-piece design popular in South African. In 1985, Reeve began trading with Los Angeles-based company Moteng International. Following this, his business with in United States began to thrive. Reeve began concentrating on the export market and traveled to the New York Custom Knife Show in November 1986 in an attempt to find more buyers, there he met Mike Stewart the founder of Blackjack Knives.


Blackjack Knives in 1987
Mike Stewart and Steven Lewis formed Blackjack Knives in 1987. The company started in Los Angeles with the intention of importing and selling Chris Reeve's range of one-piece knives as well as developing their own range of knives. The company was initially poorly managed and almost went bankrupt at the end of 1987. Blackjack's first non-Chris Reeve knife was the Mamba, a knife designed by Mike Stewart and released in 1987. These knives were ground by Mike Stewart and the logos were chemically etched onto the blade.

Japanese Production.
As the company began to grow, Blackjack began to expand its line and moved production to Japan. The Japanese-produced products were praised for their quality, but profit margins for Blackjack were small because of the weakness of the American dollar against the yen at the time. Mike Stewart also began having problems with the Japanese producers. The knives produced sometimes differed slightly from the designs sent to the producers. The knives were produced in Japan by The Kencrest Corporation in Seki City.

Move to U.S.
In 1991, because of difficulties with the Japanese producers, Blackjack Knives moved its production to the United States. The company received investment from a group that approached Mike Stewart to invest in the relatively small operation. In October 1991, the business moved to Effingham, Illinois, to set up operations. About the same time, Blackjack counterfeits were appearing on the market sold at a much cheaper price.

Knives and Methods
Blackjack Knives specializes in modern high-tech belt knives, sturdy unobtrusive working companion knives, American Classic styles and advanced-production sheaves. Blackjacks have convex blades which are excellent at holding edges. From the bronze age to about 1900, all blades, swords and axes were convex. However, since 1900, the V-Bevel method was introduced for sharpening blades. It is widely recognized that this technique produces less sharp blades than convex grinding, so Blackjack uses the the older method.
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#160420 - 05/16/17 09:51 PM Re: My first Randall and some questions... [Re: pappy19]
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A+ On your homework assignment Pap.
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