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#170109 - 04/09/18 10:17 AM Knife Control laws enacted in London
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/29179/londons-mayor-declares-intense-new-knife-control-emily-zanotti

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Parliament is also set to take up heavy "knife control" legislation when it resumes this week. The U.K. government is expected to introduce a ban on online knife sales and home knife deliveries, declare it "illegal to possess zombie knives and knuckledusters in private" — "zombie knives" are those defined as being manufactured for the purpose of being used as a person-to-person weapon — and ban sales of caustic materials to anyone under the age of 18, the Independent reports.


Next they'll ban possession of zombie rocks and sticks.
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#170112 - 04/09/18 10:29 AM Re: Knife Control laws enacted in London [Re: Windsor]
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Silly.
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#170114 - 04/09/18 10:34 AM Re: Knife Control laws enacted in London [Re: TAH]
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Next on the ban list will be all types of tools:
Shovels, Wrenches, Hammers, Screwdrivers, sticks, rocks.
Man has always found a way to use a tool to assault or defend himself.
Nature of the beast.
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#170118 - 04/09/18 02:49 PM Re: Knife Control laws enacted in London [Re: BladesNBarrels]
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The police in the UK have had the powers of stop and search for years,whether it be for weapons,drugs or stolen goods,interestingly it was Sadiq Khan who restricted the Metropolitan Police from using those powers on the grounds of them being racist or being seen as islamaphobic.
We already have sound and logical restrictions about what you can carry knifewise and stay within the law,nobody needs to be carrying a bread knife or a carving knife or a movie style Rambo replica knife or a 10" screwdriver for that matter,so I say give the police all the power they need to make sure these kids don't go out on the streets carrying anything that can be used to harm each other.
The government (not the mayor of London) is reviewing( online and face to face) knife sales and it is under consultation,no new laws have been drafted.......... yet
50 deaths so far this year in London alone,too may young lives wasted,but knives and guns don't kill people,people kill people.
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#170120 - 04/09/18 05:20 PM Re: Knife Control laws enacted in London [Re: Neale_Jenkinson]
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Face it...if they want to commit mayhem, they will find a way. Any weapon makes it more efficient...ban anything to be carried on the person...take it back to the stone age and they will use whatever is laying around at hand...and those who don't want to use physical objects that are at hand...will use fists and feet.

Consider how many one-hit knockouts occur...how many blind-side attacks and sucker punches put people down...and how many people die from the punches themselves or else hitting their heads when they fall.

Fists and boots as modes of attack are common in Europe, often involving several people ganging up on some victim. Say--around a soccer match, or a night out on the town.

Legislation and prohibitions don't do away with motivations and ill intent. And people don't want to admit or discuss underlying cultural and behavioral causes that lead to whatever form of violence.

Don't you dare mention the violence in the entertainment business-- including video games and movies. Fictional heroes and actual people are role models who are strong, violent, vengeful, and successful. (And of course members of the entertainment world who speak out against violence resent anyone asking them why they serve as role models for violence in the characters they portray.)

In fiction and in real life, and depending on the particular social context, the heroes are often criminals or terrorists--and young people are taught early that they are to be admired and mimicked.

[Interesting article in the Daily Mail today about a 74 year old British man stabbing and killing a burglar who came at him with a screw driver. Turns out the burglar, with a long list of crimes, has a lot of family and friends who are now out to take revenge on the old man--reminds me of some situations in the States where the person who is attacked is vilified for having prevailed against some certain other person.]

And don't mention the cultural values that divide dissimilar peoples who simply won't ever evolve to be like each other, whose backgrounds are fundamentally different, and who acculturate their young to view the world and other groups in certain ways--maintaining their cultural traditions and guarding against surrendering what gives them their identities and makes them distinctive, perpetuating apprehension, fear, hatred, violence.

Superficially, taking away objects is eyewash political and media fare. Fundamentally, the dark side of human nature finds ways to assert itself.
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#170131 - 04/10/18 09:11 AM Re: Knife Control laws enacted in London [Re: LarryWW1246]
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In response to the proposed knife ban, a spokesperson for the Royal Family announced that, in lieu of a birthday cake, the Queen will celebrate with birthday biscuits. Said the Queen, "Being unable to slice our cake is but one of the many sacrifices we are willing to make to put an end to crime."
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#170134 - 04/10/18 09:48 AM Re: Knife Control laws enacted in London [Re: JE6245]
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Let's hope no one commits murder by drowning someone or they'll ban water. shocked
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#170190 - 04/11/18 01:29 PM Re: Knife Control laws enacted in London [Re: TAH]
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Just saw this...

Implications for all kinds of knife collectors...as well as people who have legitimate needs for working knives.

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

"Within weeks, anyone buying a knife online in UK will be banned from having it sent to a residential address, under a government crackdown following a surge in street stabbings."
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#170200 - 04/11/18 08:14 PM Re: Knife Control laws enacted in London [Re: LarryWW1246]
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The UK law (or proposed law) is only slightly more ridiculous than many state knife laws here in the US.

Typical UK absurdity these days, as the security forces there seem more concerned with arresting folks for "offensive" tweets and non-PC Facebook postings than in preventing or solving actual crimes.

Knives, like guns, are an easy target for the liberal politicians (and media) who are desperate to appear as if they understand some non-existent "problem" and are doing "something" to fix it. More (and more extreme and ill-conceived and ill-drafted) laws are ALWAYS the solution.

Truly serious about saving lives, particularly young lives? Maybe they should think about banning motor vehicles...

"When ranked by specific ages, in 2011 motor vehicle traffic crashes were the leading cause of death among males for each age 4, 7, 8, 12, 14, and 16 to 25. Among females, motor vehicle traffic crashes were the leading cause of death for each age 8 and 13 to 25." (US DOT NHTSA Summary of Statistical Findings 10/15)

Or cell phones...

"The National Safety Council reports that cell phone use while driving leads to 1.6 million crashes each year.
Nearly 330,000 injuries occur each year from accidents caused by texting while driving.
1 out of every 4 car accidents in the United States is caused by texting and driving.
Texting while driving is 6x more likely to cause an accident than driving drunk.
Answering a text takes away your attention for about five seconds. Traveling at 55 mph, that's enough time to travel the length of a football field.
Texting while driving causes a 400% increase in time spent with eyes off the road.
Of all cell phone related tasks, texting is by far the most dangerous activity."

Or alcohol (oh wait, we Americans tried that, and it worked out oh so well) or tobacco or fatty foods or...

I agree with the earlier posters...if someone has decided to harm another person, they will do so with whatever may be at hand, or with their hands if nothing else is available.
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#170210 - 04/11/18 11:15 PM Re: Knife Control laws enacted in London [Re: TAH]
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Originally Posted By: TAH
Let's hope no one commits murder by drowning someone or they'll ban water. shocked


Folk have already gotten petitions signed in schools and colleges and workplaces, to ban that dangerous substance, cause of so many deaths and so much damage to infra-structure. Dihydrogen Monoxide, and petitions can be easily found by googling the name.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoax

And the UK ready also to ban "caustic substances" to anyone under 18yrs of age....you know, anyone can make a heck of a bang with only water in a sealed pot or baking soda/vinegar in same.

My favorite is still the news story of dihydrogen monoxide in the drinking water causing such a stir. It leads me to believe that in today's education level society, I could make a good livelihood selling boxes and packages of dehydrated water to city folk as an emergency supply to have on hand.


Edited by Lofty (04/11/18 11:23 PM)
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