I can relate to your buddies, as an old duffer that once ripped up the trails and cross country orientiered as a forester. Bad joints and a "been there-done that" attitude keeps me playing golf(ON THE CART) since I will never make that grade and is always a challange. I am still jealous of being in the woods, with my dogs, and sharing my baloney sandwich, no merlot, just canteen water or the creek.

Pap