Sorry it took so long to get back to you all, Here goes, I have a hand made knife by someone in Florida named JR, does anyone know of this person? I have gotta take a picture of it to see if it is up to par, so do not hold back if it doesn,t look rite for any reason. Also I have a brand new in box Elishewitz knife under the Benchmade name will let you all decide hope to have pikks up in a hour ,as long as all goes well for me, a cell phone, and a computer....Thanks for hanging in there LENNY,1%ER