Thank you Pappy. My son is going to use Winchester 1886 45-70,405g plain base cast bullet Lyman no.2. I am going to use a Remington Hepburn 50-110,420g 1-20. Both are loaded with Swiss powder. No wad, will not shoot over 100 yards. My son and I put up our smokeless powder rifles, shooting black is an adventure all by itself. Walt