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#35090 - 01/29/08 09:34 PM Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 ** [Re: Don_Hedrick]
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Don. I do not have the knife in front of me, but I do not think so. Don't quote me -- it's possible. Sheldon references a very similar knife on page 61 of his book and perhaps he can shed some light on the grind.

Rich: as usual... great pancake flipper!
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#35091 - 01/30/08 04:52 AM Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 [Re: widmn]
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Rich,
thanks for posting my knife ( )
Just kidding
All the Best
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#35092 - 01/30/08 09:32 AM Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 [Re: Holzinger258]
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I don't think it is O-1 steel, but is actually stainless steel that is unmarked.




This could be true, but I think I remember reading in the Gaddis book that the first Divers were O-1. Certainly, Miles' knife falls into that category.

Miles, how about dunking that Diver in some salt water overnight and see it rusts.

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#35093 - 01/30/08 11:26 PM Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 [Re: TAH]
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Quote:

Quote:

I don't think it is O-1 steel, but is actually stainless steel that is unmarked.




This could be true, but I think I remember reading in the Gaddis book that the first Divers were O-1. Certainly, Miles' knife falls into that category.

Miles, how about dunking that Diver in some salt water overnight and see it rusts.






Stainless rusts too.
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#35094 - 01/31/08 10:57 AM Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 [Re: TAH]
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I think I remember reading in the Gaddis book that the first Divers were O-1. Certainly, Miles' knife falls into that category.



You're probably right, Tom. I just went back to the catalogs. Couldn't find the #16 in the 1959 catalog (even though the Wickersham timeline says it began in 1958), so I checked out the 1961 catalog, which mentions only stainless. Here's what it says:



Of course, like many Randall Made Knives, there were a lot of variations. Got to go back and re-read Gaddis--I still have a lot to learn!
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#35095 - 01/31/08 11:53 AM Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 [Re: Holzinger258]
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Hi Steve,

According to the Gaddis book on page 163, the first Divers were offered in O-1 as well as stainless. I'm certainly no expert. It could be an unmarked stainless blade like you said, which would make it even more rare.

Regardless, it's a gem!
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#35096 - 01/31/08 12:02 PM Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 [Re: Holzinger258]
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so I checked out the 1961 catalog, which mentions only stainless. Here's what it says:






Steve,

After re-reading that catalog excerpt that you posted, at the bottom, it states that the Diver is available in tool steel as well.

Thanks for posting it!
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#35097 - 01/31/08 12:06 PM Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 [Re: TAH]
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THANKS--and boy, am I dumb; I never looked at that part!
(Is it too late to trash my post before everybody reads it and knows I'm an idiot?
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#35098 - 01/31/08 12:11 PM Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 [Re: Holzinger258]
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Don't worry about it, Steve. I do that kind of stuff all the time on here. I don't want to be the only idiot!
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#35099 - 01/31/08 12:15 PM Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 [Re: TAH]
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Don, I dunno if the blade is flat ground, though I kinda doubt it as RMK doesn’t make too many flat ground blades...but, Miles could prolly look at his face-on, from tip to hilt, and see if it is indeed flat, or if there is an ever so slight dip...

Steve, let me help ya out here. Gaddis wrote on page 162 ’13 May 1957, #16 Solingen Blade – James Jones – Marshall, Ill.’ On the next page he wrote of one being sent to Jones in March of 1958, followed by commentary about the fourth Model #16 being ordered in January of 1959. So, take your pick of dates

All, as to catalog introduction; the Diver’s knife was shown in the 12th catalog printing of early (February?) 1959 on page 12, available in stainless steel only – the 14th catalog of late 1960 showed availability of both steel types. See that part in the catalog page you posted about 'Swedish Steel'...that references O1 high-carbon tool-steel. (Doh, Tom beat me to it...lol)

So, carbon steel obviously became an option sometime between those two dates; just when is still up for debate. (although IIRC, it 'was' available in 1959)

The model #16 continued to be offered with a Carbon steel blade until just prior to the release of the 21st catalog in early 1971...so, through 1969 and possibly into 1970. As you already mentioned though; the stainless steel type indicator markings, whether stamped or etched, weren’t used until 1963. Tenite was all but discontinued by early 1965.

So, shootin' from the hip here - at the very least, carbon steel Model #16’s ordered between the latter half of 1960 and the middle of 1963 would, theoretically, be externally identical to their stainless steel brethren.

Hope that helps
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