Nifeboy.com Clinton Knives
The RANDALL KNIFE FORUMS

A place where EVERYBODY is welcome to join in on the discussion of Randall Made knives


Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#185941 - 02/18/20 09:11 PM Another AMG or Old Yeller question ?
crsides Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 12/09/17
Posts: 19
Loc: South Carolina
I took this in trade at gunshow. Showed it to a couple Randall "experts" that are regular at the gunshow. Got a lot of discussion of what it could be, but no one really knew if it was or was not Old Yeller. I have looked at 10,000 pics here and I really don't know either. I got the feeling that the AGM was preferable to the Old Yeller material? Also, what's up with the black spacers?
(the second pic was taken thru a jewelers loupe)

thanks
Charlie






Edited by crsides (02/18/20 09:12 PM)

Top
#185942 - 02/18/20 09:44 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: crsides]
RamKingJC Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 09/12/15
Posts: 3062
What di you mean.... What's up with the black spacers....
_________________________
James Caruso
RKCC #CM008
rugermark2jc@gmail.com

"First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire."

Top
#185943 - 02/18/20 09:45 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: RamKingJC]
RamKingJC Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 09/12/15
Posts: 3062
That's most likely yeller that was stored in the same position long enough that light baked one side and not the other.
_________________________
James Caruso
RKCC #CM008
rugermark2jc@gmail.com

"First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire."

Top
#185944 - 02/18/20 10:37 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: RamKingJC]
crsides Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 12/09/17
Posts: 19
Loc: South Carolina
Never seen a Randall with all black spacers. Special order, or what???

Actually, it is two pics of the same side.


Charlie

Top
#185945 - 02/18/20 10:39 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: RamKingJC]
Buck Buchanan Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 07/25/10
Posts: 1078
Loc: Fayetteville NC
All black spacers and all red spacers are "free on board" on most any similar cut-down tang model. Aluminum spacers either with red or black spacers in combo, & brass spacers with red or black spacers in combo, on the other hand, are chargeable options.


Edited by Buck Buchanan (02/18/20 10:40 PM)
_________________________
Buck Buchanan, RKCC #CM-16, RKS #1003
NRA LIFE
NMLRA LIFE
Authorized Randall Dealer
buck100_10x@icloud.com



Top
#185946 - 02/18/20 10:51 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: Buck Buchanan]
crsides Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 12/09/17
Posts: 19
Loc: South Carolina
Thanks. Which is the most desirable the old yeller or the Antique Gold Micarta ? And what time frame was this one made?

Charlie


Edited by crsides (02/18/20 10:52 PM)

Top
#185948 - 02/19/20 07:35 AM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: crsides]
Captain Chris Stanaback Online
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 12665
Loc: Central Florida
Let's see the sheath. I say AGM, depending on what is revealed by the sheath for the knife.
Best, Capt. Chris
_________________________
Capt.Chris Stanaback
RKCC/RKCA Founder
RKS #016
NRA Lifetime Member
CAPTSTANABACK@aol.com
WEBSITE: www.captstanaback.com

Top
#185950 - 02/19/20 08:52 AM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: Captain Chris Stanaback]
Michael_Mason Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 02/12/06
Posts: 1926
Loc: Orlando, FL.
Agree with Cap, AGM.
Old Yeller seems to be the preferred presently, although my thoughts are AGM will be right there with it soon enough.


Edited by Michael_Mason (02/19/20 09:12 AM)
_________________________
Michael

Top
#185951 - 02/19/20 01:16 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: Michael_Mason]
crsides Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 12/09/17
Posts: 19
Loc: South Carolina




thanks
Charlie


Edited by crsides (02/19/20 01:18 PM)

Top
#185952 - 02/19/20 03:05 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: crsides]
Holzinger258 Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 1738
Loc: The Desert Southwest
There is a color difference between AGM and Old Yeller. The Old Yeller seems to be somewhat paler than the richer AGM color. Here are three of mine:


Attachments
------color.JPG


_________________________
-Steve
RKCC CM-066
RKS #258

Top
#185953 - 02/19/20 03:14 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: Holzinger258]
Captain Chris Stanaback Online
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 12665
Loc: Central Florida
Beat me to it Steve but thanks for posting. I'll just add my AGM input, seeing as how that's all I have completed thus far!
...Below: As close to matching as a custom pair of RMKs can get, my #4-4 1/2" and my #7-4 1/2" in AGM, just dusted off outta' my STASH! Yeah: The blade stamp is deeper on one than the other and one more (very) minor difference but...here they are anyway! Hope ya'll like 'em!
Best, Capt. Chris
Guess the option count...CCS


Attachments
------AGM's-#4 & #7-A.JPG

------AGM's-#4 & #7-B.JPG

------AGM's-#4 & #7-C.JPG

------AGM's-#4 & #7-D.JPG




Edited by Captain Chris Stanaback (02/19/20 03:15 PM)
_________________________
Capt.Chris Stanaback
RKCC/RKCA Founder
RKS #016
NRA Lifetime Member
CAPTSTANABACK@aol.com
WEBSITE: www.captstanaback.com

Top
#185954 - 02/19/20 04:10 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: Captain Chris Stanaback]
tunefink Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 09/13/05
Posts: 4052
Loc: Bambalam
My rule of thumb is Old Yellow is in a Johnson sheath. Pre 1990-ish.
_________________________
Always, buying, selling and trading.
www.randallmadeknife.com

Top
#185956 - 02/19/20 07:03 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: tunefink]
Captain Chris Stanaback Online
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 12665
Loc: Central Florida
...& I've never seen one with "all black" spacers either...Best, Capt. Chris
PS: That's why I asked to see the sheath...
_________________________
Capt.Chris Stanaback
RKCC/RKCA Founder
RKS #016
NRA Lifetime Member
CAPTSTANABACK@aol.com
WEBSITE: www.captstanaback.com

Top
#185957 - 02/19/20 07:22 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: crsides]
crutchtip Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 11/16/05
Posts: 2840
Originally Posted By: crsides
Thanks. Which is the most desirable the old yeller or the Antique Gold Micarta ? And what time frame was this one made?

Charlie


Westinghouse Ivorite hands down. Not even close.
_________________________
www.rmkcollector.com

BUY-SELL-TRADE

Top
#185960 - 02/19/20 09:17 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: crutchtip]
tomthbomb Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 09/15/05
Posts: 3955
Loc: Deep East Texas
I like AGM because it is pleasing to my eye. I got into the hobby too late to have any yeller except one. It went to Europe last year thanks to a friend's help.


Edited by tomthbomb (02/19/20 09:18 PM)
_________________________
Tom Welch
RKS #4868

Top
#185962 - 02/19/20 11:50 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: tomthbomb]
crsides Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 12/09/17
Posts: 19
Loc: South Carolina
I've had fun at the gunshows listening to the Randall guys trying to convince themselves just what it is. Old yeller, fake old yeller, older knife from the 80's but the sheath is post 1995, questioning the all back spacers. Good to get some clarification.

Thanks guys

Charlie

Top
#185964 - 02/20/20 08:39 AM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: crsides]
Peter_Kaufman Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 02/14/08
Posts: 2582
Loc: Southeast Utah
here is a model 11 with AGM and all black spacers
I also have a model 2 with AGM and all black spacers but can't find a photo

Peter


Attachments
------model 11agm.jpg




Edited by Peter_Kaufman (02/20/20 08:40 AM)
_________________________
Peter Kaufman
NRA Life
GOA
SAF
RKCC CM-023
RKS #5642
SHAG # 005
Ironwood Nut
Life is too short to have ugly knives

Top
#185965 - 02/20/20 09:39 AM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: crutchtip]
JE6245 Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 01/02/14
Posts: 1064
Loc: Tallahassee FL
Originally Posted By: crutchtip
Originally Posted By: crsides
Thanks. Which is the most desirable the old yeller or the Antique Gold Micarta ? And what time frame was this one made?

Charlie


Westinghouse Ivorite hands down. Not even close.


True, of course, but ..... AGM is popular and collectible. It was only offered by the shop for a few years, 2004 - 2008, give or take, I think.
_________________________
Jim E.

“If you don’t know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else.” – Yogi Berra

Me 2020

Top
#185966 - 02/20/20 09:52 AM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: JE6245]
Captain Chris Stanaback Online
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 12665
Loc: Central Florida
Jim,
It also sells, in most cases, for more money...at least when I have had one for sale. I know where Joe is coming from...but more valuable? I suppose it would depend upon the knife...and, of course, vintage of that knife.
Best, Capt. Chris
_________________________
Capt.Chris Stanaback
RKCC/RKCA Founder
RKS #016
NRA Lifetime Member
CAPTSTANABACK@aol.com
WEBSITE: www.captstanaback.com

Top
#185971 - 02/20/20 12:45 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: Captain Chris Stanaback]
crutchtip Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 11/16/05
Posts: 2840
Westinghouse micarta first showed up on a trial basis it seems in the early 70's wit few 7 spacer examples floating around. The hey day was probably the think center spacer era from around 76 the 84, with the material used and Tune said into maybe the late 80's, and does come with the bonus of a Johnson sheath. Kinda the last of an era.

If you had two knives of the same model and options in both materials, I would say the Westinghouse knife would bring more easily, particularly to somewhat knowledgeable collectors.

AGM was tantamount to a "pre-aged" replacement for the Westinghouse material, in that it had a more orange color as the old Westinghouse material would sometimes get with age and/or exposure.

Note also, that the Westinghouse micarta was able to be scrimshawed, I don't know if AGM was ever scrimmed by Rick. Cap or someone might know the answer to that.

Here is a photo of an extremely rare model 14 with Westinghouse micarta that is relatively "fresh".



Attachments
------IMG_5943.jpg


_________________________
www.rmkcollector.com

BUY-SELL-TRADE

Top
#185973 - 02/20/20 01:00 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: crutchtip]
Captain Chris Stanaback Online
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 12665
Loc: Central Florida
That looks like a Model #5 Joe. Nice knife. I have a 7 spacers Old Yeller I'll dig up and shoot for the purpose of showing people one from that era.
Best, Capt. Chris
_________________________
Capt.Chris Stanaback
RKCC/RKCA Founder
RKS #016
NRA Lifetime Member
CAPTSTANABACK@aol.com
WEBSITE: www.captstanaback.com

Top
#185976 - 02/20/20 02:42 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: Captain Chris Stanaback]
JE6245 Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 01/02/14
Posts: 1064
Loc: Tallahassee FL
Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback
That looks like a Model #5 Joe. Nice knife.


That's what makes it so rare -- it's a model 14 that looks like a model 5. You don't see those everyday. grin
_________________________
Jim E.

“If you don’t know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else.” – Yogi Berra

Me 2020

Top
#185984 - 02/20/20 08:18 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: JE6245]
crutchtip Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 11/16/05
Posts: 2840
14 Chris
_________________________
www.rmkcollector.com

BUY-SELL-TRADE

Top
#185989 - 02/20/20 10:02 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: crutchtip]
Captain Chris Stanaback Online
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 12665
Loc: Central Florida
Just now had time to shoot these so, nightime considered, you can still see a rare Alaskan.
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris
* .202" blade thickness
* Brass single hilt (squared: Order of the day)
* 7 spacers (Early Westinghouse)
* White stone
* Tight-stitched JRB sheath
* Old Yeller handle
* Brass butt cap
* Brass nut (common for it's day)


Attachments
------Capt's STASH-#11-4-OLD YELLER-A.JPG

------Capt's STASH-#11-4-OLD YELLER-B.JPG

------Capt's STASH-#11-4-OLD YELLER-C.JPG

------Capt's STASH-#11-4-OLD YELLER-D.JPG

------Capt's STASH-#11-4-OLD YELLER-E.JPG

------Capt's STASH-#11-4-OLD YELLER-F.JPG

------Capt's STASH-#11-4-OLD YELLER-G.JPG


_________________________
Capt.Chris Stanaback
RKCC/RKCA Founder
RKS #016
NRA Lifetime Member
CAPTSTANABACK@aol.com
WEBSITE: www.captstanaback.com

Top
#185995 - 02/21/20 12:19 AM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: Captain Chris Stanaback]
spark42 Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 10/14/13
Posts: 743
Loc: Kentucky
I'll throw this one out there.
RMK #26-4" Stainless
Black and Brass spacers
Ivorite (old yeller) handle
Brass butt cap
Baby dot tan pouch sheath

Dennis


Attachments
------IMG_E2488.jpg


_________________________
RKS #4298
RKCC #CM057

Top
#185996 - 02/21/20 07:41 AM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: spark42]
Captain Chris Stanaback Online
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 12665
Loc: Central Florida
Dennis,
Looks like white lineal micarta to me. White lineal micarta was used by the shop for a very short period of time. It fell between the disastrous "white crap" that the shop tried as a replacement for Old Yeller. That stuff checked up and there are more than a few knives out there that show these faults. I recently re-handled a Bear Bowie-#12-8" because of it and that has already been shown on this forum (BMK did the handle/ Amy the sheath).
Lineal micarta was replaced by AGM and the Model #10-3", shown below, is the only example I have of it in my STASH. Rare? Probably. Scarce? For sure! Hope this helps, Capt. Chris
PS: It isn't as yellow, in real life, as it looks but it has yellowed over time...CCS
Best, Capt. Chris


Attachments
------Lineal Micarta #10-3-A.JPG

------Lineal Micarta #10-3-B.JPG

------Lineal Micarta #10-3-C.JPG




Edited by Captain Chris Stanaback (02/21/20 09:51 AM)
_________________________
Capt.Chris Stanaback
RKCC/RKCA Founder
RKS #016
NRA Lifetime Member
CAPTSTANABACK@aol.com
WEBSITE: www.captstanaback.com

Top
#185997 - 02/21/20 10:50 AM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: Captain Chris Stanaback]
spark42 Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 10/14/13
Posts: 743
Loc: Kentucky
Thanks Capt. Any info is appreciated.

Dennis
_________________________
RKS #4298
RKCC #CM057

Top
#185998 - 02/21/20 12:09 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: spark42]
pappy19 Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 10/31/07
Posts: 7367
Loc: Garden Valley, Idaho
Here's the only yellow handled Randall I own.

Pap


Attachments
------PapYellow-1.jpg

------PapYellow-2.jpg

------PapYellow-3.jpg


_________________________
Mike Allen
RKCC-CM-086
True West Magazine Maniac
Randall Collector
Behring Made Collector
Ruana Collector
Glock Fan
NRA- Life Member since 1975
mikenlu99@aol.com

Top
#186002 - 02/21/20 02:00 PM Re: Another AMG or Old Yeller question ? [Re: Captain Chris Stanaback]
Holzinger258 Offline
Knife Enthusiast

Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 1738
Loc: The Desert Southwest
Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback
Looks like white lineal micarta to me. White lineal micarta was used by the shop for a very short period of time. It fell between the disastrous "white crap" that the shop tried as a replacement for Old Yeller.

Interesting. The description for this material shows a darker color than either my handle (middle) or the Captain's handle (bottom). I suppose there are many possible variations due to age, light exposure, etc.


Attachments
------lineal.JPG

------storm.jpg

------CapChris.jpg


_________________________
-Steve
RKCC CM-066
RKS #258

Top
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >


Moderator:  Mr_Mod