Google "G17 brass in face" and you will see a problem of enormous proportion. The 17 an easy fix using alternate OEM parts, the 19 is also going through a spate of extractor problems from redesign, engendering another cottage industry of "fixes".

Well, I had this one at the range today and put about 100 rounds through it with nary a wimper or hiccup. Wayne you were right, it chugs along like the Energizer Bunny. really a nice shooter, but I think I'm going to work the trigger to make it a little crisper.

Never had brass to the face with any of my pre Gen4 guns. My G20 & 30 Gen3, and 27 Gen 2.5 run flawlessly. I purposely stayed away from the Gen4 due to the problems mentioned.

Sounds wonderful to me, and hope this marks the end of interminable side by side close-ups of extractors showing why new and improved being only new.

Now, if they only would do something about the 17. Which is wishful thinking with already Gen 5 and no doubt Gen 6 already being worked.

Yep, and that would depend on whether Gen 4 parts installed in later Gen 3s, such as later and STILL produced G17s. Which mine was, and got an extractor swap, and runs as it should.