#162366 - 07/10/17 07:06 PM
Re: Looking for good optics
[Re: Behring Made]
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I have a pair of Celestron Granite 12 X 50's I'm thinking of selling, are these high enough? They have ED glass, I just don't need that much magnification in the woods of Wisconsin.
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#162411 - 07/11/17 01:44 PM
Re: Looking for good optics
[Re: Captain Chris Stanaback]
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I offered to loan these to Grant. These compact 8x30 Swarovski binos get it done. They are just the right size for my needs and super bright.
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#162417 - 07/11/17 02:41 PM
Re: Looking for good optics
[Re: W Polidori]
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Warren.... mail them to the shop.... by 7/25... THANKS!!
Edited by RamKingJC (07/11/17 02:42 PM)
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#162421 - 07/11/17 03:41 PM
Re: Looking for good optics
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Those 8x30's of Warren's are great binoculars. I would use them for general hunting conditions. When comparing one bino to another, Physics helps. Logic would tell you that a larger ocular lens, i.e. higher mm number for the forward lens system (be it a single riflescope lens or dual binocular lenses) will transmit more light. That is partially true. "Transmit", by the way. is the proper term. It is absolutely impossible for a lens system to "gather" light! Optics reflect existing light. The human eye cannot absorb (or is not capable of) processing more light (optical factor) than 7cm of "exit" (pupil) light. To compute the exit light factor you divide the objective lens by the power rating of your optics. This formula has been used for decades and is the main reason for certain (old school, if you will) optic acceptance. Examples: Ever heard of a fixed power scope? Sure you have. They are still the most superb for clarity, although not as well accepted as a few years ago. The standards were 6X42mm and 8x56mm. Fine European scopes, such as Kahles, Swarovski, Schmidt & Bender and Zeiss used these power ranges (and still do) for decades! Divide the mm (Lens diameter) by the power of the scope...Wallah: 7cms !! 8x56mm binoculars transmit the most light. 7x42 a little less. 8x30mm even less, especially at very low light when transmission is more difficult to achieve. The 10 power Pentax binos I use as a general bino are 10x42mm. The maximum amount of light that can pass through to your eye is 4.2cm..."BUT"...it's just fine for general conditions, just as Warren's will be. OK: I'll shut up. It's just a simple barometer to compare one to another...that's all. Best, Capt. Chris
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#162422 - 07/11/17 03:48 PM
Re: Looking for good optics
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"Captains gotta teach stuff!"
Thank you for the excellent info =)
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#162427 - 07/11/17 05:49 PM
Re: Looking for good optics
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Grant,
I bought mine at Cabellas about 10 years ago in store. I looked at everything in my price range and it took me a while to narrow it down. The German and Austrian glass is superior to the rest of the field. My final came down to the Swarovski 8x30 and Leica 10x42. Loved the Leica, it was worth the $400 kicker. Decided on the slightly smaller Swarovski which fits perfectly in a side pocket on my pack. Never regretted spending premium. You buy them once.
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#162428 - 07/11/17 05:57 PM
Re: Looking for good optics
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Examples: Ever heard of a fixed power scope? Sure you have. They are still the most superb for clarity, although not as well accepted as a few years ago. The standards were 6X42mm and 8x56mm. Fine European scopes, such as Kahles, Swarovski, Schmidt & Bender and Zeiss used these power ranges (and still do) for decades! Divide the mm (Lens diameter) by the power of the scope...Wallah: 7cms !!
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(side topic) Funny how most scope manufacturers have gotten away from building fixed-power scopes. Of those that you listed, only S&B are still making them (in fixed flavor). Not picking on high-end Euro scopes, domestic market is much the same way. I prefer fixed power; less crap inside which means less weight and less likely to break when I need it the most.
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#162430 - 07/11/17 06:19 PM
Re: Looking for good optics
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You're right Rob. Old time woods hunters here shot plenty of deer with fixed 4x and 6x scopes for years.
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#162438 - 07/11/17 07:30 PM
Re: Looking for good optics
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Pics, please?
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#162941 - 07/24/17 02:52 PM
Re: Looking for good optics
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My friend is a hunter, he had a lot of binoculars, everything that is mentioned here. For the last 5 years he has only used Sightron. By quality and reliability is not inferior to more expensive Zeiss and Leica But it's best to watch with your own eyes, even better to check the binoculars before buying at dusk. I have a book, I think it can be downloaded on the Internet in English "Precision shooting at 1000 yards" Dave Brennan. I'm not a professional shooter, but there I learned a lot of interesting things about optics, maybe it will be useful
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#162965 - 07/25/17 01:53 PM
Re: Looking for good optics
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Ive had most of the high end glass. I like my old Zeiss classics best! 10x40 and rubber coated. They are tough as nails, and at dusk I can make out the rack. No longer made, but occasionally you will find one on ebay. You wont be disappointed. I owned Sightron. Not even close to the same class IMHO
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#162966 - 07/25/17 02:21 PM
Re: Looking for good optics
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I like my old Zeiss classics best! Same here.. I have the Zeiss Classic 8X30s. Excellent glass for the money, and have held onto them over the years. I have also owned a set of Swarovski 10X40. I wasn't disappointed with them either. I still prefer the Zeiss though..!!
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