Hand Guns

Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Hand Guns - 01/26/21 01:21 PM

Here is a pair of Ruger's in 45 Colt, fully factory engraved, ordered at the 2005 Shot Show in Las Vegas I think the year is right. Also a older 22, High Standard. The 22 is in a wooden display case but I have the original box. The box is like new and all of the paperwork is there as well.
Posted by: Windsor

Re: Hand Guns - 01/26/21 02:54 PM

That's a good looking Trophy HS.
Posted by: Robert Frey

Re: Hand Guns - 01/26/21 07:06 PM

Wow!
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 01/26/21 07:20 PM

WOW AGAIN !!!
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 01/27/21 10:40 AM

Very nice, Sidney.
Walker
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 01/27/21 12:58 PM

Sid,
Super nice. I remember when the High Standards pretty much ruled the line at the National Match Courses years ago

Superb guns right out of the box.

The only HS standard I have now is their derringer (22 lr) that I had with me in 'Nam.

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 01/27/21 06:30 PM

very nice!!
I got addicted to their Birds Head guns!!
I love loading form them as much as shooting them
As for .22 I shoot the OLD 41's

:-)Rocky
Posted by: GCTom41

Re: Hand Guns - 01/28/21 07:05 AM

Rocky,

I am with you with the Model 41 S + W. Taught the kids how to shoot with that one.

Tom Flynn
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 01/28/21 09:19 AM

Rocky,
That S&W Model 41 has always been the premium gun in the S&W 22 auto line up.

Totally accurate right out of the box and I have yet to see one that had sloppy machine marks. They were always perfect.

Wayne
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 01/28/21 02:09 PM

Here is one of mine. I also have a extra box as I had one stolen along with a Sterlingworth (sp) Fox that belonged to my father and a Kimber 22 rifle that had never been shot. I now have a couple safes, to late.
Posted by: GCTom41

Re: Hand Guns - 01/28/21 03:35 PM

Sidney,

That is in great shape!

Tom Flynn
Posted by: nate-dogg

Re: Hand Guns - 01/28/21 08:34 PM

Coach Blalock asked me to post this picture I took a while back. I have since sold some of them and also added a few new ones. One day I'll get around to taking a new picture of my current handguns.
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 01/28/21 09:58 PM

What a set of pistols !!!
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 01/29/21 01:27 AM

Speechless.

Pap
Posted by: GCTom41

Re: Hand Guns - 01/29/21 08:39 AM

Very impressive; is that a 500 S&W Magnum?

Tom Flynn
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 01/29/21 12:44 PM

Really,really nice!!!!!!!!!!!

Wayne
Posted by: nate-dogg

Re: Hand Guns - 01/29/21 01:30 PM

Originally Posted By: GCTom41
Very impressive; is that a 500 S&W Magnum?

Tom Flynn


Yes. I got 2 doe with it this last deer season
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 01/29/21 02:30 PM

Holy Cow what a collection. It gives you that warm fuzzy feeling. Do you have the boxes for them? Saving the boxes is a smart move as they bring more with the box.
Posted by: nate-dogg

Re: Hand Guns - 01/29/21 03:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Sidney_Redford
Holy Cow what a collection. It gives you that warm fuzzy feeling. Do you have the boxes for them? Saving the boxes is a smart move as they bring more with the box.


I have the boxes for the ones that I bought new. Several of those were bought second hand though so unfortunately no boxes for some of them.
Posted by: Windsor

Re: Hand Guns - 01/29/21 03:06 PM



ye ol' CMP M1911A1 (barrel clearly screams "rebuild!")
Posted by: Billy Poyner

Re: Hand Guns - 01/29/21 05:07 PM

Super collection..
If you decide to ever part with any of the S&W's.I'd be willing
to make a road trip.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 01/30/21 10:17 AM

Windsor,
If I may suggest,don't rebuild that iconic piece!!!!!!! It is perfect the way it is.

Reminds me of years ago,guys would "rebuild " their cars with all sorts of stuff. The last item they then put on it was;

A For Sale sign.

That 1911 will work just fine the way JMB designed it. No need for any fancy ammo,just plain old FMJ which has a perfect track record.

Wayne
Posted by: Windsor

Re: Hand Guns - 01/30/21 01:08 PM

I wasn't planning on it, I meant that the barrel is parkerized outside *and* inside, indicating that it's been rebuilt before.

I have no plans to rebuild the gun other than maybe figuring out how to remove the park inside the barrel. Other than the inside park, it's a good HS barrel.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 01/31/21 08:57 AM

Windsor,
Probably if you just gently scrub the barrel with a bronze brush and solvent,it will reduce some of the parkerization.

Then shoot it as you normally would. When the gun was rebuilt and parkerized,I am sure that the armorers knew that the finish would not be harmful to the barrel.

Wayne
Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: Hand Guns - 02/07/21 10:33 PM

OK, let's see your one (1) most interesting handgun.
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 02/18/21 01:21 PM

Here's my S&W 317 AirLite 22LR and Sullivan's slip on holster from 1998. They aren't making the 317 anymore. Great little carry revolver.

Pap
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 02/18/21 03:33 PM

Pap:

That's a neat little .22. I bet it has filled some cans full of holes over the years.

Coach
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 02/18/21 06:16 PM

Not just cans Coach, but lots of forest grouse as well. Too bad it didn't come in 22mag or I would have one.

Pap
Posted by: Michael_Mason

Re: Hand Guns - 02/18/21 06:23 PM

Mike,

They do make one in 22WMR. Model 351PD...
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 02/19/21 10:27 AM

Pap,
Contact S&W and see if they would fit a 22 mag cylinder to it.

I did that with my Charter Arms Pathfinder. Now I have two cylinders for it and it only takes about two minutes to convert.

Wayne
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 02/19/21 11:00 AM

Wayne
That was a good idea,but they said they can't do it. I'm looking at ordering one.

Pap
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 02/19/21 12:07 PM

Pap:

Wonder if you get the .22 mag first, can they fit a .22 lr cylinder to it?

Also, can you get the .22 mag in Stainless?

Coach
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 02/19/21 01:16 PM

The 351PD is titanium but blued. I'm looking into finding one at a decent price. I've got my local FFL fellow trying to find one. I'll either keep the 317 or give it to one of the grandkids.

Pap
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 02/19/21 06:22 PM

I have a couple of favorites. One I shoot and one I don't. The old 45 just keeps going strong.
Posted by: Billy Poyner

Re: Hand Guns - 02/19/21 06:23 PM

Pappy
Here is a 351C.Thay make a 351 PD it has exposed hammer.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 02/19/21 06:31 PM

There is something about those super fly weight 22 snubbies that make them special.

Sidney,

That is an AWESOME 1911!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pappy,
I have a feeling that S&W could very well fit the piece with a magnum cylinder but just won't do it so you would have to buy another piece.

From what I understand,the manufacturers make the barrels to 22 magnum specs (reduce inventory). There shouldn't be any problem in chambering a 22 LR cylinder to magnum

Just my opinion.

Wayne
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 02/19/21 09:23 PM

It's not that I am unhappy with the 317 22LR, I packed it a very long time and shot a number of forest grouse with it. However, the rat shot from the 22LR doesn't compare with the 22mag rat shot. The 22mag rat shot will take a grouse at 30 feet, but the 22lr won't. Plus a 22mag hollow point has almost as much punch as a 38 Special. Anyway, hoping my local gun dealer can score me a 351PD.

Pap
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 02/20/21 10:31 AM

Pap,
I hope that you will be able to get a S&W 351PD soon.

Bill Jordan,in his superb book No Second Place Winner extols on the value of a lightweight snubby in 22mag. And this was in 1965 when the book was first published and there wasn't the selection of 22 magnum ammo at that time like now.

My favorite "snubby" is the North American Arms Black Widow.

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 02/20/21 03:50 PM

Here are my two .22 pistols:

Ruger SP101

Walther PPK/S-22

I wish I could get a .22 Magnum cylinder for the Ruger.
Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: Hand Guns - 02/20/21 06:09 PM

I suggested "unusual" so here is mine.No, that is not the serial number. I "edited" it.
Posted by: Robert Frey

Re: Hand Guns - 02/20/21 07:23 PM

Nice Broomhandle Tom.
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 02/20/21 07:31 PM

My 317 serial number is COH 3333, which is kind of neat.

Pap
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 02/20/21 07:51 PM

Tom, THAT is unusual !
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 02/20/21 08:19 PM

Nice "Red-9" 1898 Tom.
Best, Capt. Chris
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 02/21/21 12:11 AM

Check this out.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/127/text

Pap
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 02/21/21 08:58 AM

Pap--

The sponsor is from your state!

Maybe moved there (like others are doing) from California?

Given time, expect Texas to be changed.

Maybe Texans should befriend Californians who move there and help them to appreciate common sense.

I don't think her Bill will go anywhere, but remember that (1) every member of that august body tries to do things that will make them look big and important, and (2) sometimes foolish laws get passed in spite of the checks and balances.

Larry
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 02/21/21 10:19 AM

Larry
The sponsor is from Texas not Idaho. Idaho is one of the most gun friendly states there is. We are getting a lot of Californians coming to Idaho, but I suspect that the majority are conservative Republicans.

Pap
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 02/21/21 10:40 AM

The sponsor is Sheila Jackson Lee (D) Texas.

I looked through the Bill and I don’t think it has a “snowball’s chance”.
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 02/21/21 03:44 PM

Pap--

Got you mixed up with that state down south! Sorry about that, but you would still be in good company.

I agree with Coach...no chance (at all?). But we live in strange times, and they are a'changing.

Larry
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 02/21/21 03:47 PM

That is just another look at me bill, see how good I am doing. I picked this up recently and I was surely disappointed with the trigger. The first time I shot it, I pressed the trigger and it felt like I still had the safety on, I even looked to make sure it wasn't, hope it will improve with use, but I don't think so. Looks like a trigger job. Not up to Kimber's standards.
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 02/21/21 04:03 PM

This is one I came across when I was organizing my safes, I had forgotten all about it, also found a couple more that I had forgotten. My short term memory is awful.
Posted by: GCTom41

Re: Hand Guns - 02/22/21 07:31 AM

Sidney,

The 1911 and the S&W 41 are awesome.

Fun when you clean things and you find all kinds of things you tucked away for way too long. Winter is a good time for catching up.

Tom Flynn
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 02/22/21 09:40 AM

Sidney,
Years ago,during our local National Match Courses,it was the Model 41 or the High Standard Trophy Models that pretty much ruled on the firing line.

The S&W Model 41 always had been superbly made with no machine marks what so ever. I had never seen one that gave any problems.

Wayne
Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: Hand Guns - 02/22/21 08:38 PM

Sidney, sorry the Kimber trigger is bad.

I have been carrying a Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry for over 15 years. The trigger is excellent. The only mods I've made are Kimber tritium sights and the Laser-Grips.
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 02/22/21 09:06 PM

Not sure I've ever forgot a gun I owned.....you may have a problem...
I'm just say'n
especially a 41!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Billy Poyner

Re: Hand Guns - 02/22/21 10:45 PM

S&W41 S&W 2206 Sig TRAILSIDE
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 02/23/21 11:18 AM

Rocky when I was 41 my memory was great. Now pushing 75, not so great. Some of these things I haven't seen in 12 to 16 years. Lots of fun. Found two Pythons I had forgotten, and much more.
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 02/24/21 07:38 AM

like an Easter egg hunt....

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 02/24/21 08:04 AM

Rocky,
Nice "standard" auto!!

One of my Ruger Standard autos,I sent to Jim Clark to be accurized. One of the additions was a Douglas Barrel with an integral muzzle brake.

1/2 inch groups from a machine rest at 50 yards.

Wayne
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 02/24/21 04:28 PM

Wayne, I believe that one is a shooter for sure. I really like Ruger .22s.
Walker
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 02/24/21 07:25 PM

valquartsen setup
BUT a shooter none the less

:-)Rocky
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 02/24/21 07:29 PM

Wayne...
I think that I have one of Jim Clark"s "45's"
I'll take a look...
and Sidney...before you give me crap...I know I have it!!!...I think
upp's...right Jim...wrong last name...

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 02/24/21 10:48 PM

Rocky, that is a nice pistol for sure. Tom, this is my EDC, and a Sig that I can afford to shoot all day.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 02/25/21 08:46 AM

Rocky,
Yep,I have a Clark 1911 as well. Sent it in for one of his accuracy jobs and Bo-Mar sights for NMC.

Back then (1970) the turn around was about 2 weeks,not much longer.

Wayne
Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: Hand Guns - 02/25/21 08:52 PM

The Bomar shop was just a few miles down the road from me. You would not believe what a thrown-up tin shed it was. It's all gone now unless they moved to somewhere else. Are they still making sights?
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 02/26/21 08:23 AM

Tom,
I have not seen any of the Bo-Mar ads so I do not know that they are in business or not.

Their sights were excellent.

Wayne
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 02/26/21 10:26 AM

TTB
I was "told" that the old bomar sights were out of production, but that copies were available. Not sure how credible this info was or is but that was the story t presented to me. Funny thing was the shop could not say where to get the sights.
Walker
Posted by: BladesNBarrels

Re: Hand Guns - 02/26/21 05:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Shoot870p
Funny thing was the shop could not say where to get the sights.
Walker


You go down that one alley and look for the green door.

Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 02/26/21 10:49 PM

Wasn’t there a movie back in the 70s titled:

BEHIND THE GREEN DOOR
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 02/27/21 09:34 AM

The star of that movie lived a few miles from me in the next town over.

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 02/27/21 09:07 PM

I’m not even gonna ask the obvious question.

???
Posted by: aaron

Re: Hand Guns - 02/27/21 09:29 PM

Originally Posted By: coachblalock
I’m not even gonna ask the obvious question.

???


LOL Now that is funny!
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 03/01/21 08:31 AM

No comment. I can neither confirm nor deny...............

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 03/01/21 04:56 PM

That is probably best !!!
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 03/06/21 04:37 PM

I am going to shift to long guns for a moment, the groundhogs will be out soon and I will try to take a few, just to get a chance to shoot my bench rifle, It is good to 400 yards if I can hold steady, not so easy to do at my age, but I shoot off a rest so that helps. This has a Timminy double set trigger, when you set the trigger all you have to do it just put a shadow on the front trigger and it is gone, first time I shot it, it scared me. It has the Mauser action and either a Douglas or Schilling barrel, the man I bought it from couldn't remember which as he was way up there in years and had had so many built he just couldn't remember.
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 03/06/21 04:54 PM

Nice rig Sidney,
Looks like a Model 98 (short for 1898) Mauser military action, which has been sporterized...(Safety has been modified to operate with a riflescope. The forend and pistol grip are rosewood? Austrian flame maple stock? Maybe a Pachmayer (or Browning) recoil pad?
Impressive!
Best, Capt. Chris
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 03/06/21 05:00 PM

That a gorgeous rifle, Sydney. Hope you nail a few g-hogs.

Pap
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 03/06/21 05:19 PM

Sidney,
Somehow...Some way...You got that last photo reversed??
Best, Capt. Chris
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 03/06/21 05:36 PM

That is an absolutely beautiful stock!!!
Posted by: Robert Frey

Re: Hand Guns - 03/06/21 07:18 PM

I agree, that stock is excellent!
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 03/06/21 07:19 PM

What caliber is it?
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 03/06/21 07:42 PM

Thanks guys for the nice comments, my bad on the pic being reversed, I wasn't paying attention as usual. Coach it is 243.
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 03/06/21 08:04 PM

Sweet!!!

You really got something there!
Posted by: GCTom41

Re: Hand Guns - 03/08/21 07:49 AM

Sidney,

Great gun; beautiful workmanship on that stock and finish!

Tom Flynn
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 03/08/21 08:01 AM

I've gotten to where I love shooting my bench rest guns....liking punching holes....not always at long distances, just me, shooting, and minding my own business....
nice gun!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 03/08/21 09:22 AM

Rocky,
Bench rest shooting or any target shooting is a discipline unto itself.

Always room for improvement and always interesting.

I have an Air Force Condor Air Rifle that,from a rest,at 50 yards will shoot 1/2" groups all day long.

Off hand........not so much.

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 03/08/21 12:19 PM

Wayne,
Anything "off hand" is a crap shoot for me!!!
I keep mine in the rests!!!
I ran by this messing around over the weekend...not the gun!!! just the sight

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 03/08/21 11:18 PM

Off hand has gone out the window for me. Rocky I like your pistol, those Bo-Mar sights must have been special, and still are for those that have them.
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 03/09/21 11:01 AM

I guess...I haven't shot this gun much at all....just a few times after I got it back from the gunsmith....it was a mess when I got it from my dad...wouldn't function...in pieces...I think it was a junker he got off of somebody probably for next to nothing...threw it in a box...and, there it sat...I thought maybe some of those old NM 45's may have come with a Bo-mar...mine doesn't, nor my Smith 41, nor my Smith 52....I guess that's probably the only one I have

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 03/10/21 09:12 AM

Rocky,
Nice 1911 there. Looks like it is set up for hardball match or combat match.

John Browning designed that piece and it is still basically unchanged to this day.

I prefer the plain jane stock model but did,some years ago,answer to the National Match call and sent a 1911 to Jim Clark for his accuracy job,etc.

Superb gun but I still like the issued piece. Designed for hardball which has an excellent track record.

In 'Nam,I was not issued one but everyone in my outfit "acquired" one and the standard mode of carry was cocked and locked,round in the chamber with 7 round magazine.

Just the way JMB designed it.

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 03/10/21 06:48 PM

Wayne..
I spent some of my time as a youth, at the "gun club" pulling, and pasting targets...I was there mainly for retired Colonel Alfred F Green, a definite "hard ball" shooter!!
That's as far as it goes for me and the .45's...other than just shooting them...that man was a shooter!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 03/11/21 09:02 AM

Rocky,
Always nice to mentored by a dyed in the wool hardball shooter.

You learn so much that way in comparison to book learning.

I think it was Mark Twain that once said that he never let schooling interfere with his education.

Wayne
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 03/15/21 03:32 PM

Interesting read. Handguns vs bears.

https://www.ammoland.com/2020/03/update-.../#axzz6pCW2V7sz

Pap
Posted by: Duke

Re: Hand Guns - 03/15/21 04:17 PM

Dang interesting Pappy. I learned that, statistically, I’d do just as well packing my Ruger 22 as my S&W 44 Mag as my Glock 10mm. Who’da thunk it?
BUT, as we all know, what really matters is shot placement. AND, just pack something!
Great read. Thanks for posting.
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 03/15/21 04:51 PM

An old Idaho rancher told me, if possible, when they stand up, grizzlies generally do, shoot at their throat, instant kill. Every bear I've shot in the throat, has dropped in it's tracks.

Pap
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 03/15/21 05:40 PM

Interesting read for sure!

Good advice Pap!
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 03/15/21 06:30 PM

I enjoyed that, even added it to my favs.
Posted by: aaron

Re: Hand Guns - 03/15/21 07:40 PM

Pappy: I got some chills reading some of those.

I feel sorry for the one's traumatized and killed by those attacks.

Really informative article.Thanks for posting!

Now i gotta go watch "The Revenant" again.
Posted by: Duke

Re: Hand Guns - 03/15/21 11:56 PM

That advice is good for all two-legged buggers Pappy.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 03/16/21 09:10 AM

I have an interesting book 4 Seconds Until Impact

Tells of all sorts of encounters of the worst kind with all types of critters.

Many bear attacks but huge amount of coyote attacks and cougars too.

The author reccomends packing heat but also gives high praise to bear spray.

My area has had MANY coyote attacks so I always pack heat.

Two legged critters are more prevalent in my area.

Wayne
Posted by: GCTom41

Re: Hand Guns - 03/16/21 10:10 AM

Pap,

Thanks that was a great article.

Walk softly and carry a big gun! I pulled mine three times on Black Bears while we skinned one. Luckily didn't have to shoot, but they were all interested in what we were working on. Black Bears will cannibalize each other; I don't think they were interested in me or the guide.

Tom Flynn
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 03/17/21 09:56 PM

Tom:

If you don’t mind me asking, where were you when you had this picture made?

It is absolutely gorgeous there!

Coach
Posted by: GCTom41

Re: Hand Guns - 03/18/21 08:35 AM

Coach that was an inlet off of Columbia Bay/Prince William Sound about 8 hours by boat Southwest of Valdez Alaska. We were on a small Island had a 376 yard shot. Already got my Mountain Goat and we were Black Bear hunting. My guide said give me your camera you'll thank me later.

The spot we were at the tide went out at least an 8' drop and had to sit there till 10:00 at night after skinning the Bear until the tide came back in. It was an interesting hour ride back to the main boat dodging ice flows from the Columbia Glacier in the dark.

In my holster I had my hand cannon S&W .500 Magnum with a 4" barrel.

Tom Flynn
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 03/18/21 09:58 AM

GCTom,
With that S&W 500 I think that the trick is you give it to the bear to shoot???

Sure way to kill it!!!!

I touched off a 444 Marlin in a T/C Contender with 6 inch bbl once. I did say once...right?

I will tell you,when I touched that off,I knew that the bull pooped in the buckwheat for sure!!!!!!!!!!

Wayne
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 03/18/21 11:44 AM

Those cals. kill on both ends. 44 mag. is my limit, and that is more than I like.
Posted by: Peter_Kaufman

Re: Hand Guns - 03/18/21 12:33 PM

Here are my .22 handguns
S&W model 41
Ruger Mark II
Beretta 87BB
S&W 617 10 shot
Ruger Single Six 22 LR and 22 Mag
Colt Diamondback

and not for sale smile

Peter
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 03/18/21 04:03 PM

Peter, that is a nice collection, I have three of those plus a few more. My Ruger is a Mk.4, I bought it for my wife as she liked shooting it more than her nine because of the noise the 9 made.
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 03/18/21 05:53 PM

I have the "slab" side Ruger....excellent shooter!!
My dad gave it to me many years ago
:-)Rocky
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 03/18/21 08:07 PM

Nice Set!!!!

The Beretta caught my attention!

And Thanks Tom! Again, it is some beautiful country!
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 03/19/21 10:08 AM

Pete,
Now those are my speed!!!

Yes,I have some heavy hitters,but it is far more enjoyable for me to just plink with those mild mannered calibers

Wayne
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 03/21/21 11:25 AM

This is one I found when I decided to clean out the safe so I could see what I had. Some of these I haven't seen in 12 to 16 years. I took this one on trade at a gun show when you could still buy and sell without breaking any laws. I was surprised at the weight of this pistol, and the fit and finish. These are the wrong pics, I tried to delete them but don't know if it worked.
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 03/21/21 03:22 PM

I SEE NOTHING!!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 03/21/21 06:47 PM

Rocky, I deleted the pics because they were of the wrong gun. I will correct this soon. Here are the correct pics.
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 03/21/21 08:13 PM

I was playing Sgt Schultz...
nice gun!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 03/22/21 12:28 PM

No gun here, just a pocket knife that I haven't seen for years, a sweet little auto. W.H.
Posted by: GCTom41

Re: Hand Guns - 03/22/21 06:46 PM

Sidney,

You are one great collector; there isn't anything you have shown that is not top notch!

Great collection of everything, knives, guns!!!

Tom Flynn
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 03/22/21 07:00 PM

Thanks Tom.
Posted by: CrazyCajun

Re: Hand Guns - 03/22/21 08:27 PM

Agreed Tom! This is a treat to see all the Specials!
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 03/22/21 08:46 PM

I'm wondering just how big Sidney's safe is....a walk in???

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 03/22/21 10:07 PM

Very nice Sidney. I agree with Rocky!
Walker
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 03/22/21 11:25 PM

For Tom to say that,,,,

speaks VOLUMES!!!
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 03/23/21 09:07 AM

Sidney,
What Tom said.

Ummm,can I have it??

Wayne
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 03/23/21 02:17 PM

Rocky, It is not a walk in, although it is big. Weighs 1139lbs with nothing in it. It is 6ft. tall, and 4ft. wide with shelves, so I can cram a lot of stuff in there. Belgium Browning take-down 22. This is in the original shipping box from Canada, and the original Browning box, I don't know if this rifle has ever been put together. I never settled on one thing to collect so I have a little of a lot of things These pics came out as attachments instead of pics, and I did the same things I usually do when they come out as pics.
Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: Hand Guns - 03/23/21 06:42 PM

Here's one I've been saving. This Colt Official Police was at my grandmother's house when I was growing up. My granddad died at an early age and I didn't get to know him. He and his dad had a hardware store from 1914 until it burned in 1937. I always thought the Colt came from that store but was never sure. Last year I removed all doubt.

I forgot to point out, and it's hard to read on the letter, the Colt is caliber 32-20 Win. That's always intrigued me.
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 03/23/21 07:06 PM

very cool!!!
I'm waiting on a letter from the "Cody" on my 21....providence is a wonderful thing!!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 03/23/21 07:11 PM

Sidney....if you had my "safe" there's no tell'n what you could loose in it!!!
I built in into the foundation when I built the house years back

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 03/23/21 10:09 PM

Rocky I would love to have something like that, I could fill to my hearts content. Tom that is so great about getting that letter. Has the cost for that gone up in the last few years? I know what it used to be.
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 03/23/21 10:17 PM

Tom, that s awesome.
Rocky, that is a nice vault. "Safe room" too I guess for storms!
Walker
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 03/23/21 10:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Shoot870p
Tom, that s awesome.
Rocky, that is a nice vault. "Safe room" too I guess for storms!
Walker

Walker,
that's how I sold it to my wife(at the time)
SAFE ROOM!!!
She's gone...guns/knives are in....sorry dear

:-)Rocky
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 03/24/21 08:21 AM

Tom: That letter & the heritage it proves is awesome!

Rocky: Now that’s what you call a “Man Cave” for sure!
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 03/24/21 08:58 AM

Coach,
It's approximately 8' deep...door to the facing wall, and near 14' long(right to left)...there's an offset to the left of the door(as facing)....10" walls, with a 4" ceiling, supported by a steel support liner(for the roof poor)....steel door has 3 Medeco dead bolts that can be operated on either side....there is an "out line" that goes to the septic tank, and a small 2" hole for electricity and what not...the cost was next to nothing when building the house...mainly the door and locks
It's not without fault, however it should keep the bandits working long enough for the Calvary to arrive!!!
I've got enough "stuff" in it to hole up for a few days, if necessary
wouldn't be fun...BUT I could do it
:-)Rocky
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 03/24/21 12:54 PM

Rocky,
Sounds pretty much to me that you have all the bases pretty well covered!!

Anywhere near Moultrie? I quail hunt down there each year.
Wayne
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 03/24/21 06:32 PM

Today the US Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit ruled that the second amendment right to keep and bear arms does not citizens include the right to carry a firearm, either openly or concealed, in public.

It's starting.

Pap
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 03/24/21 07:31 PM

wayne...
I have to say no...family in Dawsonville...BUT that's it

:-)Rocky
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 03/24/21 07:52 PM

Mike--

What else to expect out of that court?

Larry
Posted by: crutchtip

Re: Hand Guns - 03/27/21 09:42 AM

Watch out. Call your senators and congressmen, especially if you live in a leftist area.

Tucker warns Biden admin is coming for your guns:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_WVsndvCcg
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 04/15/21 08:08 PM

not sure this belongs here, however you do need a hand to use this gun....finally got off my ass, and got a Cody Letter for my 21....exciting!!
Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: Hand Guns - 04/15/21 08:43 PM

That's cool Rocky. Just about the same age as my Colt but a lot more valuable money-wise. The value of my Colt is that it was shipped to my Grandfather's store.
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 04/15/21 08:43 PM

Very nice!!
Pap
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 04/15/21 08:47 PM

Awesome, Rocky!!!
Posted by: aaron

Re: Hand Guns - 04/15/21 11:05 PM

That is a real sweet gun!!Looks to be in great shape.
I
would really like to hear how it does for you.
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 04/16/21 07:23 AM

Thanks guys...to be clear...it's been in the family for years, since the early 70's, when my dad took advantage of a friend of my grandfather...the fellow was simply trying to "unload" a Winchester shotgun...had no idea what he had...my dad was out of town, when grand pa called him about the deal...having a pretty good idea of what it was, my dad told grandpa to buy it....the deal went down....$100...my dad, not being a skeet shooter, never used it...I've shot 2 rounds of skeet with it...that's it for the past 50 years...I do not shoot a side by side very well...over and under guy...
from my recent readings, and occasional research, I came up on the Cody web site, and decided to inquire....from what I've found, it will add value, however I do not vision selling it...BUT my son may choose to....
thanks again for all the kind replies

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: Hand Guns - 04/16/21 09:47 AM

Rocky that is really sweet. I always wanted one but didn't want to pay the price. I would never be lucky enough to get one for a 100.00
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 04/16/21 10:14 AM

Rocky,
Being that you do not shoot SXS shotguns very well,I will be glad to take that Model 21 off your hands for $200. (this way you make 100% profit)

OK,so I guess no deal.

Super nice piece,I looked up some prices for Model 21s,certainly not for $100. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wayne
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 04/16/21 11:22 AM

Sidney--

I wondered what effect inflation would have on the price of the shotgun. Looks like it would cost about $600 in today's money. Of course, that does not take into account the price from any price guide...it should be worth even more than $600 now.

Larry
Posted by: Michael_Mason

Re: Hand Guns - 04/16/21 12:55 PM

Originally Posted By: LarryWW1246
Sidney--
Looks like it would cost about $600 in today's money.
Larry

Just my thoughts only, but I'd think you'd have to search long and hard to find a Model 21 Winchester for $600.00.
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 04/16/21 01:57 PM

$2500.00-$5,000.00 range, I'd wager.
Nice Rocky,
Capt. Chris
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 04/16/21 06:54 PM

Yep.

$600 would be a bargain price today.

Not so long ago I was talking to a man who had retired at 65, and started dealing in Parkers.

Approaching 90 at the time, he said he had made $1 million since retiring...he did not explain if that was his net or gross, maybe not so hard to gross that much if actively trading in them.

Larry
Posted by: Robert Frey

Re: Hand Guns - 04/16/21 07:09 PM

A Model 21 in 20 Ga. is my grail gun. Very nice!
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 04/16/21 08:18 PM

Goodness!!!
Thanks again for the kind words...sorry Capt...not letting it go for $2,500
It's quite nice, and I have it in a display inside my locker....BUT....I'm also of the sort....use it, or loose it....what good is a gun you don't use...knife too...O.K...maybe one, or three....but to the point, how many do you want to look at, when you don't use them?? I think that's an interesting question....
A model 52 sporter....I took this gun into the woods as a kid many times!!! without my fathers permission, of course...it, also resides in my locker...
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 04/17/21 08:25 AM

It wasn't an offer rocky. $2500-$5000 is the price range on a #21 of your quality and edition. Higher grades, i.e. gold inlays, etc....much much more!
Best, Capt. Chris
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 04/17/21 08:53 AM

Nice to have those superb pieces but even nicer to take them out and use them.

In my opinion,something that is used and cared for properly has more value than something just sitting in storage.

Trust me on this,my first Model 1 that I got in '64 did not rest in my locker!!!!

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 04/17/21 11:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback
It wasn't an offer rocky. $2500-$5000 is the price range on a #21 of your quality and edition. Higher grades, i.e. gold inlays, etc....much much more!
Best, Capt. Chris

Capt...I was only joking...

:-)Rocky
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 05/28/21 07:14 AM

Just blew any money that was available for blade!!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: BladesNBarrels

Re: Hand Guns - 05/28/21 09:26 AM

Originally Posted By: thevalueman
Just blew any money that was available for blade!!!

:-)Rocky


Can always bring this to Blade and we can do a trade!
Booth 6!

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 05/28/21 03:00 PM

now you're talking!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: mic214

Re: Hand Guns - 06/22/21 08:14 AM

Dirty Harry has got nothing on me!

I just scored this 8-3/8" S&W Model 629 yesterday from the local gun shop. I have been wanting a .44 magnum for hog hunting and couldn't pass this beast up:)

Posted by: GCTom41

Re: Hand Guns - 06/22/21 08:29 AM

One of the best!

Tom Flynn
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 06/22/21 09:07 AM

mic214,
That is superb!!! Do you handload for it?

My favorite 44 mag load is a 290 grain cast SWC over 17.5 grains of 2400.

Shoots real well in my Ruger Alaskan.

Wayne
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 06/22/21 10:24 AM

A hog leg for hog hunting...couldn't resist.

Larry
Posted by: mic214

Re: Hand Guns - 06/22/21 10:44 AM

Originally Posted By: LarryWW1246
A hog leg for hog hunting...couldn't resist.

Larry


Ha ha ha……so true!
Posted by: mic214

Re: Hand Guns - 06/26/21 03:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Wayne Dengler
mic214,
That is superb!!! Do you handload for it?

My favorite 44 mag load is a 290 grain cast SWC over 17.5 grains of 2400.

Shoots real well in my Ruger Alaskan.

Wayne


I have only handloaded .44 special rounds for Cowboy Action shooting. They would be a little anemic for this beast! I will need to step up my game for when I take this hunting.

Next on my list is a holster to help balance off the 12-9 Bowie…

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 06/27/21 07:00 AM

very nice!!
I got a pig with my Ruger Redhawk many years ago....down, around Savanah...tracked them with dogs in a swamp....HARD work...much younger...
I love the .44 special....it can be loaded to do about anything!!
I just picked up 1,000 pieces of .44 special brass from Starline...
:-)Rocky
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 06/27/21 09:23 AM

Rocky,
I have two Charter Bulldogs in 44 spl. One I made somewhat like their latest Boomer model. 2 1/2 inch bbl,magna-ported and bobbed hammer. Did NOT cut away the front of the trigger guard like a Fitz Special though.

The other is a Heller Commemorative.

Elmer Keith saw the true value of the 44 spl. I still think it is a great cartridge.

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 06/27/21 01:01 PM

Wayne...there was a great article about the "Fitz Special" in Guns magazine!! the August 2021 issue....yep August 2021 issue...If I remember correctly, my dad had one...way back....didn't make it to my house..
anyway I do love the .44 special cartridge!!
I've got that Lew Horton, and a 5 shot stainless Smith that I cannot remember the model # of...and am too lazy to go down, and see....

:-)Rocky
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 06/27/21 01:58 PM

From this article...it is obvious that gunsmiths over the years have duplicated Fitz's modifications.

And those duplicates probably should not be called Fitz Specials...after all, Fitz did nothing to those guns.

Larry
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 06/27/21 03:35 PM

Jesus Larry...it's a very complimentary article, and I doubt any of the owners of the "modified" to look like a "Fitz Special" guns are concerned about what they are called...I seriously doubt that Fitz would care anyway...what ever state he's in today....

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 06/28/21 08:52 AM

Rocky,
Yep,I saw that article. I have an acquaintance who inherited Col. Rex Applegate's Fitz Special. Classic piece.

A number of firearms notables have had Fitz Specials,one being Jelly Bryce formerly of Oklahoma City PD then the FBI.

Wayne
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 06/28/21 11:16 AM

Rocky--

I know where you are coming from.

Just thinking, like Armand Swenson, for example, innovated several mod's to the 1911, but nobody who continues to make up guns using his mod's would ever think to call their products a "Swenson." Even his ambidextrous safety is not called a "Swenson safety."

I would have to go back to the Fitz article, but I suspect that such guns mod'd by subsequent gunsmiths do not carry their signatures...and if a buyer might somehow be led to believe they were buying an original done by Fitz they might not be able to confirm it...probably paying up because it is called a Fitz Special.

Larry
Posted by: Chief

Re: Hand Guns - 06/28/21 11:13 PM

I love a commander size .45
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 06/29/21 06:36 AM

nice!!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: GCTom41

Re: Hand Guns - 06/29/21 08:42 AM

Lookin' good Chief! Great scrim; crosscut dyed Mammoth on the grips too!

Tom Flynn
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 06/29/21 09:57 AM

Chief,
Is that a Commander or Officer's Model???

I could be wrong but the bbl looks a bit short for a Commander.

But,like I said,I could be wrong.

Either way.......................super nice

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 06/29/21 03:03 PM

Chief...did you get those slabs from Gene??

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Chief

Re: Hand Guns - 06/29/21 09:13 PM

Wayne school me barrel length on both, officer & commander.
These are 3 inch. One is a sig limited run for Lipsey's, the other is a colt defender.
Posted by: Chief

Re: Hand Guns - 06/29/21 09:13 PM

Rocky no not from Gene
Posted by: Chief

Re: Hand Guns - 06/29/21 09:15 PM

Thanks Tom, I have several in different exotic woods & even a set done in Tiger eye. Went a bit nuts for minute there.
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 06/29/21 09:52 PM

Chief, I believe commander is 4.25 “ and officer is 3”.
Not trying to pick nit though. I thought the grip was shorter on the officer and the commander has the same as a gov’t model.
Those a fine looking weapons by the way!
Walker
Posted by: Chief

Re: Hand Guns - 06/29/21 10:08 PM

Sweet never really new, thanks for the heads up.
I just wanted the shortest Barrell as I carry them in a upside down lower back holster.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 06/30/21 08:11 AM

Chief,
Yep,870 got it right.

Years ago,knifemaker,Bob Loveless made a "smoothy" out of Commanders. Basically rounded everything off to the point that the piece felt like a worn bar of soap.

Remember,the 1911 series are meant to be carried cocked and locked. More safeties are in place in that mode of carry.

Just the way John Browning designed it.

The design has been tried and true for 110+ years.

Wayne
Posted by: Chief

Re: Hand Guns - 06/30/21 09:59 PM

Sweet thanks for the info guys!
Posted by: Windsor

Re: Hand Guns - 07/01/21 02:00 PM

Somewhere between 1911 and today the military opted for the "flap-over" holsters that required the hammer to be down.

Great example of government reducing safety under the guise of "safety."
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 07/03/21 08:53 AM

Windsor,
If you think that the Gov't will take care of you,take a good look at how they care for the American Indian.

In 'Nam,somehow the top flap of the 1911 holster kinda got cut. Oh,and yeah,they were carried cocked and locked with one round in the chamber and 7 in the mag.

POS M-16s were pretty much sidelined for AK-47s that were "acquired".

Wayne
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 07/03/21 01:36 PM

Chief and everyone,
Colt also did a series "Commanding Officer's Models" which had shorter barrel and full length receivers to accommodate standard mags. Many were mfg. in 38 Super as well, giving you more firepower!
Hope this helps: Look up Colt's "El General"...and (of course) "El Capitan" for examples...
S
Best, Capt. Chris
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 07/04/21 08:57 AM

Capt,
You always come out with some more great information about "stuff"

I will look those up.

Wayne
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 07/04/21 10:19 AM

If memory serves me correctly, the entire 1911 function was tweaked, to include "flared" muzzle ends on the barrels...(Belled, if you will). They came in bright blue, bright stainless and (perhaps) other finishes. Quite unique. The reasoning for the "El" denotations was on account of the propinquity of South American countries usage of 1911's "and" 38 super.
Hope this helps,
Stay Sharp, Capt. Chris
Posted by: Duke

Re: Hand Guns - 07/04/21 11:36 AM

One of my most pleasant to carry 24-7, ALWAYS shoots everything I load, 13 (12+1) rounds of security for my family, all around me needing protection, AND myself, BOTH physically and mentally well provided for. This P-12 has provided all of these things since coming to live with me approximately 1993 or so.
A happy and well blessed Independence Day to all.
Posted by: Duke

Re: Hand Guns - 07/04/21 12:30 PM

I can’t add one here under “HANDGUNS” without including the one that truly took my own hand loading to another level AND put me into the woods as a serious handgun hunter for the last 30+ years.
I’m certain that the reason that I purchased this particular S&W was directly related to my purchase of the Speer Reloader Manual, #12 and the pictures & story by Layne Simpson re: Alaska caribou (&/or moose) hunting. That and the 7 weeks too early birth of my first born daughter who arrived along with the knowledge that not only would I need to unpack the truck for my 4 week mobile camp, early bow & black powder season adventure. And instead plan to spend lots more time closer to home for the very premie first child adventure.
This particular S&W 629 has only fired my hand loads…..EVER. And the same 44 Mag load goes into my Marlin lever action, Ruger (first made) semiauto, Ruger Flat Top single six, and TC Contender. One of the many nice things about carrying both the lever action rifle and six gun in the late 1800’s (& now) was being able to load and carry the same caliber. Of course one can load different weight/powder rounds but “Why?”…… unless there’s good reason.
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 07/04/21 06:35 PM

Top Dog, you are right about the Capt providing info! And so many others, too.
Thanks to all.
Walker
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 07/05/21 09:02 AM

Walker,
Yep,the Capt. is THE man.
Scrolling up to Dukes lots of shots 1911 brought back memories when I tested the first ones for the magazine. Worked well back then and obviously still do.

My carry favorite is a Glock 36/45 acp (6+1) with ball amoo.

I used to use a Model 43 for Church security but then switched over to the 36 which is only slightly larger.

Just found out that the Pastor in my Church packs heat too,so I guess I am in good company.

Wayne
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 07/05/21 09:53 AM

Top dog
I’m trying to get used to a 43 but the trigger seems a bit heavier than the g45 I carry. Been doing a bit of dry firing to try to break it in some more.
Walker
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 07/05/21 10:41 AM

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/03/pistols.../#axzz6zkqZmZtE


Pap
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 07/05/21 10:53 AM

Pappy, that’s a great article.
Thanks for posting.
Walker
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 07/06/21 12:58 PM

870,
I am sure that all will work out fine and break in right.

Reading the above article about bear attacks brought back memories.

I have a book 4 Seconds Until Impact by Bruce "Buckshot" Demming.

Goes into great detail of all wild animal attacks. Guess that is kind of why I pack heat all the time.

Wayne
Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: Hand Guns - 07/07/21 09:30 PM

I traded an old gentleman Randall collector a couple of nice Randall knives for this Randall 1911 many years ago.
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 07/07/21 09:41 PM

Nice catch TTB.
Walker
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 07/08/21 07:52 AM

Good get!!!
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 07/08/21 08:38 AM

Coach,
The Randall 1911s were super nice. If memory serves me correctly,they even made a lefty 1911.

So,are you going to shoot boolits through it or keep it in the safe.

Looks pretty much NIB to me

This month is a pretty sad month for me. On the 8th,five years ago my daughter passed away and on the 12th,7 years ago my wife passed away.

Wayne
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 07/08/21 09:31 AM

Wayne
Will be praying for you today. God bless.


Pap
Posted by: Dirty_Water

Re: Hand Guns - 07/08/21 07:25 PM

Big thoughts and prayers sent your way sir from Gail and I...
Posted by: CrazyCajun

Re: Hand Guns - 07/08/21 07:29 PM

The Daugherty's send prayers and strength from above!!
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 07/08/21 10:56 PM

Top dog, prayers are being sent up. Seems a little small when you look at a huge loss. Can not get the words I’m trying to say together.
Walker
Posted by: Duke

Re: Hand Guns - 07/09/21 01:02 AM

Wayne,
I’m so very happy for you to have had the pure joy, friendship and love that l feel certain you shared in relationships with those two women. And I’m saying prayers for you as you keep coping with the sadness of having lost each,….now.
Blessings your way, brother.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 07/09/21 08:23 AM

870 & Duke,
Thank you very much for your thoughts and prayers.

The Good Lord never said life would be easy.

Now to get back to the theme of this thread.

Usually I pack a Glock 36 but during the summer months I tend to go towards a Ruger LCP (original model). Seems to pretty much vanish in the supplied pocket holster..

Wayne
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 07/09/21 08:29 AM

Ooops,
I looked back a page on this site and saw that Pappy and Scott sent thoughts and prayers. Thank you.

Scott,
Always special thought for Gail. She stands up to me and lets me have it!!!!!!!!!!! Superb young lady.

Wayne
Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: Hand Guns - 07/13/21 01:57 PM

Wayne,
My sincere thoughts and prayers.

Tony
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 07/14/21 08:09 AM

Tony,
Thank you.

I found a new Church that welcomes me and my "security".

They even set aside for me so I may observe and detect any potential problems.

Wayne
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 07/14/21 10:32 AM

And that’s how we do things, sports fans! Well done Top Dog.
Walker
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 07/17/21 08:56 AM

870,
Thank you,I try to do my best,but it seems that I always get into trouble..............................somehow!!!!!

In fact,this time two years ago,the hospital I was in had me listed as....deceased. Obviously they got that wrong.

That is why I don't go to the VA,I don't want a second chance to die for my country.

Wayne
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 07/17/21 11:06 AM

Top dog, that is understandable for sure.
Take care.
Walker
Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: Hand Guns - 07/25/21 11:06 PM

Handguns. S&W 686.
Taking this one to the next gun show in the original box. The only thing that's not original is the Mag-Na-Port. Does that help or hurt the value? Btw, it's never been fired since I received it about 30 years ago.
Posted by: nate-dogg

Re: Hand Guns - 07/26/21 04:12 AM

That's a very nice revolver you have there. If we were in same state I'd buy it from you. I have one very similar. Mine is a 629 and has the quad magnaport. True collectors say it detracts from the value since it's not original, but for a shooting range/woods carry/concealed carry, it doesn't effect value. You'll just have to find someone who appreciates it to get top value!
Posted by: Eric

Re: Hand Guns - 07/26/21 07:30 AM

Very nice indeed. You should get plenty of interest. I have a 1999 Lew Horton 625-7. Bought faux Ivory grips for it so the original Rosewood doesn't get dinged.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 07/26/21 08:45 AM

Tom,
My suggestion is DON'T SELL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That looks like one of those pieces that when you sell it,you wish you hadn"t.

Looks like it wants to be fired.............lots.

Wayne
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 07/26/21 11:38 AM

Top dog for the win. Keep it and enjoy it.
Walker
Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: Hand Guns - 07/26/21 01:29 PM

I have one very similar but with two ports. If I remember correctly it was a Lew Horton Special. Shooting full power .44 mag feels like shooting .44 special.
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 07/27/21 05:37 PM

I had a 29-4 with Magnaport and it did cut down on the recoil, but not the noise. Shooting with muffs at a range is one thing, but in the woods taking a pot shot, you'll be deaf for a week. I can't imagine how loud the 460 and 500's are.

Pap
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 07/27/21 07:20 PM

I have never been a fan of "any kind" of porting. The noise far outweighs the "comfort factor" achieved and, for me anyway, kills the resale.
I have a 3 inch S&W 686.."7" shot and I love to shoot it. No real recoil for my hands anyway.
Best, Capt. Chris
PS My "Hill Country" came with a screw-on muzzle break. The day I got it, I sent it down to riflesmith, Bruce Dow, and had a screw on muzzle "protector" made. Worked to:
A) Protect the exposed threads
B) Allow you to set the rifle "on" the muzzle with no wear or impact
of group
C) Get rid of the damned muzzle break!
CCS
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 07/28/21 08:20 AM

Capt,
Like anything,there are pros and cons for porting.

I have several pieces ported but as for muzzldebrakes,forget it.

Maybe they make be good for the shooter but for others to the left and right on the firing line.......not good at all.

At our outdoor range,we put those with muzzle brakes....way down the end.

Wayne
Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: Hand Guns - 07/28/21 10:21 PM

You have to have range time with any weapon but range time is not the reason for porting.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 07/29/21 08:57 AM

Tom,
That was well put.

Some of the North American Arms mini revolver models are ported.

I see no real reason for that.

Wayne
Posted by: Duke

Re: Hand Guns - 07/29/21 05:51 PM

Ports on the handguns and calibers that I’ve made the decisions to have MAG-na-port
(outstanding product) add their ports on, or TC barellels ordered with ports included have performed wonderfully for me for 25+ years. The 45-70, 44 Mags, and .309 JDJ are possible to shoot comfortably as MY “felt recoil” is so substantially reduced. I truly don’t care about muzzle blast to the sides at the range as I’ve always gone to the furthest shooting station anyway and quit going to any public range over 6 yrs. ago when the durn knuckleheads beside me fired a 30-30 round in the dirt 2 feet from my leg. I go only at dawn now….and I’ve tried. Worst stupid PTSD I still deal with, BUT who cares?
Anyway, the mag-na-ports I have do great at what they’re supposed to do
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 07/30/21 08:26 AM

Duke,
Nice T/C stuff. I have a Contender with a 14 inch 22 lr bull bbl.

From a rest,easily shoots 1/2 inch groups at 50 yds.

Wayne
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 07/30/21 10:04 AM

Duke
Those are nice looking for sure.
Walker
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 07/30/21 11:01 AM

Nice set of weapons!

I'm like you. I don't like to shoot around ANYBODY else.

I have my own range out here on my place.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 07/31/21 08:56 AM

Coach,
If I am not mistaken,seems that Texas is a range!!! If you don't have one of your own,there is one close by.

My outdoor range is just 6 miles from my house. Trap,rifle,shotgun,handgun areas. Behind the moutain/backstop is 349 acres open for hunting. Probably the best kept secret in the state.

I have hunted there for 50+ years and only have seen 6 other hunters during that time.

About 4 years ago,a bowhunter harvested a 305 LB white tailed Buck there! Haul that out of the woods and it is uphill both ways!!

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 07/31/21 11:44 AM

Wayne:

I have a place on my pond dam where I can take a folding table and set up. I have a target stand set up at 50 yards, 100 yards, 150 yards, and 200 yards.

All is shooting downhill.

I can also set up my skeet slinger from the top of the dam to shoot my shot guns.

When the weather gets below 100, I’ll take some pictures.

Coach
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 07/31/21 01:24 PM

Coach
Hot Louisiana summers makes me think about the old timers without any electricity not to mention AC. The Dog Trot home design comes to mind. Interesting concept and it works.

Pap
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 07/31/21 06:15 PM

All of the houses around here were “Dog Trot” type houses. Most have closed them up now since they have AC.

When I was a kid and used to stay with my Grandmother during the Summer, I would sleep in the Dog Trot. She got electricity during the 50s. She had an attic fan in the Dog Trot. She had doors on both ends of the Dog Trot.

At night, she would close one off and turn the the attic fan on. The attic fan would pull a hard breeze from under the huge Pecan trees just a few feet South of her house.

Even during the HOT Summertime, you would be reaching for a quilt during the night.

I did some hard sleeping in that Dog Trot listening to the katydids that were outside in those Pecan trees.
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 07/31/21 08:06 PM

Those attic fans had some kind of power, for sure.

Pap
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 08/01/21 03:42 AM

Yes sir! They would move some air.
Walker
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 08/01/21 08:33 AM

Back on track:
Here's a couple of my favorites. A Browning "Medalist" from 1973. A S&W Model @41, long slide and my Pachmayer 45 ACP.
Best, Capt. Chris
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 08/01/21 08:50 AM

Capt. Chris--

A Swensonized .45ACP!

All it is missing is the hand matted slide and the squared and checkered trigger guard.

Larry
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 08/01/21 10:04 AM

Love that Medalist!!

Pap
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 08/02/21 09:38 AM

Capt,
I have not seen many Model 41 long slides.

It always seemed to me that the Model 41 was pretty much the best of the S&W line up.

Wayne
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 08/02/21 10:38 AM

No doubt one of the best. This one doesn't "suck" either!
Best, Capt. Chris
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 08/02/21 09:42 PM

what's not to love about a 52!!
or a 41!!
:-)Rocky
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 08/03/21 09:27 AM

Rocky,
The Model 52 had X ring accuracy right out of the box.

No need to send it off somewhere to get accurized.

In fact,after may rounds,the groups seemed to tighten a bit.

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 08/03/21 06:08 PM

Wayne....anybody building anything like that today...do they even shot those matches anymore??

:-)Rocky
dear God...all the targets I "pasted" as a kid!!
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 08/04/21 08:24 AM

Rocky,

Back in the 60s and 70s there were local NMC matches each Thursday evening,but those pretty much fizzled out now.
Now mostly it is PPC type contests.

My old range box that I used for the NMC matches is empty. Used to have two Jim Clark accuracy jobs but they basically languish in the vault.

Wayne
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 08/04/21 10:49 AM

Rocky,
I want your 52!
Nice, Capt. Chris
PS: Colt Gold Cup National Match is 38 MRWC shoots straight also...CCS
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 08/05/21 07:12 AM

lets trade....
ha ha
:-)Rocky
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 08/05/21 08:51 AM

Call me, dude!
CCS
Posted by: mic214

Re: Hand Guns - 08/18/21 09:50 AM

I picked up a couple of pocket pistols recently. The first one is a “No-lock” S&W 442 “Airweight”:



The second one is an older S&W 649. I had a blued one of these back when I was a rookie cop in the 70’s, but sold it off for something I desperately needed, although I don’t remember what!

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 08/18/21 11:41 AM

nice!!
one for each front pocket!!
I've never sold/traded a gun and felt good about it a few years later...I say a few years, as many times we have to do what we have to do...even if it doesn't make any since today!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 08/19/21 08:25 AM

Mic214,

Super nice classics. I had heard tales of S&W locks locking up but do not know if it really had happened.

I prefer the non-lock models so you don't have the nagging thought about the thing locking up.....always at the worst time.

Wayne
Posted by: Billy Poyner

Re: Hand Guns - 08/19/21 09:06 AM

Wayne,
Locks did lock up.Mostly keys got lost.If I had a dollar for every
customer that came in the store asking me to unlock a S&W I'd be
well off.
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 08/19/21 09:33 AM

Mick,
Beyond all doubts, the S&W 649 is my favorite 2" snubby! Carried one in my tackle box for decades. That and a Model #650.
Nice one you have there,
Capt. Chris
Posted by: mic214

Re: Hand Guns - 08/19/21 12:08 PM

Thanks Capt.!

I was originally looking for the newer airweight Bodyguard, but failing to find one at a decent price, I grabbed the Model 442. Then, as what usually happens, I found the 649 on another forum, so I scooped it up.

I may pocket carry one and ankle carry the other as a “NY Reload”!
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 08/21/21 08:57 AM

mic214,
That sounds like a good plan to me.

A snubby is one of those pieces that never wants to die.

I know at my department during qualifications,officers would use their "lots of shots" but at day's end,what goes with them....yep.a nice snubby.

I don't know of a fisherman down south that does NOT have a snubby in his tacklebox,pocket or vest.

Wayne
Posted by: Duke

Re: Hand Guns - 08/21/21 12:03 PM

Actually Wayne, in this part of the South, it’s “tacklebox, pocket AND vest.” In our world today,(yesterday & tomorrow) there’s just something comforting about the little revolver.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 08/22/21 09:25 AM

Duke,
I agree with you. I have several Charter snubbies but,don't laugh,the most carried piece is a North American Arms Black Widow in 22 mag.
A 22 mag mini was always in my had when I would be "interviewing" an unsavory character in a dark alley on the job.

Is it equal to your 38 snubbies? Of course not,but it would afford me the time to get to the bigger piece.

Every motor vehicle stop,I had it in the palm of my hand. Everything checks out OK? Then it is slid in behind the belt buckle.

I do "Jelly Bryce Drills" with it. Playing card size target at 6 feet. Unload all 5 rounds as fast as possible.

6 feet? Yep,that's the average combat distance.

Probably snake distance too???

Wayne
Posted by: mic214

Re: Hand Guns - 09/04/21 11:05 AM

A few more of my S&W’s….Two Model 15’s (2” & 4”) and a 6” Model 28 “Highway Patrolman”.

I actually carried a similar 6” Model 28 when I first became a LEO back in the 70’s and worked for a city PD. I later switched to a 4” as it was a little easier to carry. In the early 80’s when I transferred over to the Sheriff’s Office, we were issued the 4” Model 15.

Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 09/11/21 09:41 AM

Mic,
Nice trio of S&Ws there!!

There is something comforting about a revolver.

Yep,I admit it,I am an old fart and proud of it.

Wayne
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 09/11/21 12:33 PM

Wayne,
I feel and hear ya'! This one's popped a couple of pigs and one whitetail doe. So...What's different.
* S&W #686
* Stainless
* Red-ramp/White outlines
* 3 inch / full underlug
* Cocobola grips
* 357 Magnum
Happy Hunting,
Capt. Chris

Posted by: Peter_Kaufman

Re: Hand Guns - 09/11/21 12:52 PM

seven shot instead of six

I think you can get an eight shot in a N frame too

Peter

nice gun Cap
Posted by: mic214

Re: Hand Guns - 09/11/21 03:22 PM

That’s a sweet looking pistol, Capt.!
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 09/11/21 03:44 PM

Yep:
One more...just in case.
Best, Capt. Chris
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 09/11/21 06:20 PM

Capt.--

Before you opened it up, I thought you were referring to the grip screw coming in from the right side instead of the left. That is also different. (But not noteworthy with regard to function.)

Larry
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 09/12/21 09:29 AM

Capt,
When I got orders in '64 to go to 'Nam,superimposed across the orders were NO PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS ALLOWED IN RVN/SEA.

Yep,I packed my Model 27 that I had S&W cut the bbl back to 4 inches. There were more privately owned weapons on that plane then in probably all of RVN!!!

A couple of years later,S&W offered a 2 1/2 version of the Model 19 which I was able to acquire.

Ralph Friedman,who is the most decorated detective in NYPD and has been in a number of fatal gunfights,still swears by a Detective Special.

Right now,in my pocket is a North American Black Widow in 22 mag. I do not feel undergunned.

Keith,Jordan,Skelton amongst many others all preferred wheelguns. Me too.

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 09/12/21 02:36 PM

I’m looking for a .44 mag. 4” or less barrel.

S&W 629
Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan
Colt Anaconda

Any thoughts or opinions?

Thanks!
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 09/12/21 03:32 PM

Coach,
May I suggest the Ruger Alaskan in 44 mag??

I have one and it is superb. My bear buster loads consist of a 290 gr lead swc bullet over 18 gr of 2400.

Recoil is there but not bad as the grips are hand filling.

Typical of all Rugers,built like a tank and well made.

Also a Diamond D leather chest rig is a nice holster combination for it.

Wayne

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 09/12/21 07:28 PM

Wayne:

That’s the one I’m leaning toward right now.

The lock issues on the 629 bothers me. And, I can’t get less than 6” on the Colt barrel.

I have 2 Alaskans near me. $1250 + tax on a brand new one and $900 cash for a used one.

I’m gonna keep looking another week or so.

Coach
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 09/12/21 09:52 PM

I went from the .44 mag to a 10mm Glock 20SF for a number of reasons. First, the noise and recoil, and only 5 or 6 rounds, not to mention the time to re sight after a shot. My first S&W 29 was a 4" that was MagnaPorted. Shot great, and at the range with ear muffs, very reasonable, but in the woods, without ear muffs, I was deaf after one shot. I got to where if I shot it without muffs or ear plugs, I put my left hand trigger finger in my right ear. Don't get me wrong, I still love and have some wheel guns, including my 627 Performance.357, and a couple of Model 10's, a 22lr and a 22Mag. But my go to woods pistol is my Glock Model 20SF 10mm, 15+1 ,and a Diamond D Guide Chest holster with extra mag. Way less recoil, way less recovery, way less muzzle blast, and way more fire power. To each their own, but for big fire power and overall pleasant shooting, my choice is the Glock 10mm.


Pap
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 09/13/21 09:25 AM

Coach,
If you get the used Ruger Alaskan,it is still covered by the excellent factory warranty.

Diamond-D leather pretty much has a wait for their holsters and if you want,I can send you my Diamond D rig for your Alaskan to use until you get one.

If you lived close by,I would let you try out my Alaskan.

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 09/13/21 09:27 AM

Thanks Pap. Good points!

But I've got my reasons for wanting a .44 Mag.
Posted by: Duke

Re: Hand Guns - 09/13/21 02:01 PM

Road trip, Coach!
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 09/13/21 08:42 PM

Both were GONE before I got home today. Oh well, I’ll keep looking!

Thanks for the offer, Wayne! Let me find the weapon first.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 09/14/21 09:58 AM

Coach,
I have said before and will say it again.............you wait............you lose.

Hope you find an Alaskan soon. Try Davidsons they may have a few for you. There is a huge distributor in Louisiana,I forget the name and they are a large Ruger distributor.

When you get it,let me know and I will send you the Diamond D rig to use until you get yours.

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 09/17/21 08:40 PM

I found one. It will be here Monday.

Now, if I can just find some ammo! That may be harder to find.

Wayne,

My FFL has a Diamond D chest holster for an Alaskan. I told him to hold it for me til Monday. He said that he has had it for a couple of years.

Coach
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 09/18/21 08:33 AM

Coach,
Glad to hear that all is working out OK.

Now for the ammo,do you reload??? If not,maybe you should start.

I haven't used factory ammo since 1958.

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 09/19/21 03:59 PM

Wayne:

I reloaded for years back in the 70s,80s, and early 90s. Had a killer load for 30.06. Also had a killer 12 ga. for quail and another for ducks. Had a couple fine 20 ga. loads for squirrels and doves.

During one of our many coaching moves, and with 4 little kids running around the house, my Bride appealed to me to get rid of all of the gunpowder. I obliged her with the intent of getting back into it at a later date with an upgraded system.

I just haven’t done it yet. You are right. I need to look into it.

Coach
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 09/20/21 09:36 AM

Coach,
I hope that you can get back into that game soon.

Years ago,I used to have my grand daughters (now in their late 40s) help in the shop.

One could crank out 300+ rounds an hour out my Dillion Square Deal B.

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 09/21/21 07:07 PM

Wayne:

You right!

By the way, I picked up my Alaskan today.

Coach
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 09/22/21 08:21 AM

Coach,
That's great,now let us hear how a range session goes.

If you were not able to obtain an Alaskan in your area,I would have sold you mine (far less price) and did a dealer transfer for you.

You will find that recoil is not bad at all with those hand filling grips.

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 09/27/21 05:42 AM

I got my new Ruger Alaskan in .44 Magnum on Tuesday and some ammo on Friday.

I put 6 through it on Saturday. It is certainly different from a .357 and/or .45 acp, although the recoil is manageable.

LOUD doesn’t even begin to describe the report as I had all my “neighbors” texting and wanting to know what in the hell was I shooting?

Keep in mind, my “neighbors” are all 3/4 mile to 1 1/2 miles away.

I was shooting 240 grain factory Winchester. I feel like it would definitely take down a big hog that I might surprise at close range.
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 09/27/21 06:37 AM

Coach, I believe it will do the job on a hog for sure. I’m sure we will see a small pig on the smoker soon!
Walker
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 09/27/21 09:21 AM

Coach--

On a Tennessee boar hunt some years ago, my friend insisted on hunting with a .41 Magnum. (I don't know if it is still going on, but there was a bit of side-taking re: .41 versus .44 at the time, and my friend had made his choice.)

He shot a hog from the side at close range, but it started to run away until the guide shot it with his rifle.

I suspect that ammo is much improved by now, but think that his shot placement is what failed to drop it.

Larry
Posted by: BladesNBarrels

Re: Hand Guns - 09/27/21 09:45 AM

Them boars are tougher in Tennessee!
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 09/27/21 10:11 AM

Larry,
Years ago,I knew of one Secret Service Agent that packed two S&W Model 58s to protect the President.

That was then,probably different now.

And yes,the argument still goes on about the 44 vs 41 as well as 9mm vs 45acp.

Probably around some deer camp fires the argument still goes on about the 30-30 vs the 32 Winchester Special.

Wayne
Posted by: JB in SC

Re: Hand Guns - 09/27/21 05:08 PM

I agree, the Alaskan is pretty comfortable for me to shoot. I’ve had all sorts of big bores up to the .454 Casull in a Freedom Arms 83. The .454 in a 6” is a real heavy hitter on both ends.

I can’t handle heavy recoil anymore and wouldn’t feel undergunnned by any means with a .44 Magnum with good hard cast loads. A 310 grain hard cast at 1100 fps will punch a hole through both sides of a big boar.
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 09/27/21 10:00 PM

Top dog, I’m sure that talk will never end!
Walker
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 09/28/21 10:11 AM

Shoot,

That basically is what campfires are for...discussion for the sake of................discussion.

JB,
Yep,I like the heavy bruisers too but now being that old age has started to show its ugly head,I seem more content to do my range sessions with 22s and my high end air rifles.

And yes,every so often,I break out the heavy stuff just to let me know that I am alive......and take it!!!!

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 09/28/21 08:40 PM

It is about to be campfire weather here.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 09/30/21 10:03 AM

Coach,
It is amazing how many problems are discussed and solved over the campfire.

Seems to be the tradition spans back many centuries.

Tensions eased and relaxed and problems solved.

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 09/30/21 11:19 AM

Wayne:

You right!!!!

And then, there are times when I like to sit out there by myself.

Or,, with my dogs!

Coach
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/01/21 10:06 AM

Coach,
Sitting out alone with the dogs helps you "contemplate" things much better. Plus,the dogs seem to provide better answers...........

There isn't a dog that I have not liked....but as for humans the less said the better.

Also,I have never met a dumb dog but again...as for humans.

Just look at the news (I don't).

My dogs were never trained hunting dogs,they were my companions in field & stream.

They could spot game long before me. I just watched their body language and followed their lead.

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 10/01/21 11:25 AM

I'm not too sure about dumb dog statement...
My brother had a Gordan Setter....it was, with out a doubt, the stupidest thing I ever encountered in my life...at the lake...I cannot remember how many times that dog fell off the dock....just walking around...knocked over the grill at hunting camp...with food in it...it was just plain stupid!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 10/01/21 12:16 PM

My two are 100lb. Bloodhounds.

They both like to get up into my lap at the same time which knocks me over and then they both want to snuggle up to me and lick me til I'm about to drown.

After 15-20 minutes, they settle down and are content to sit there with my arms around each.

They look right at me when I talk and I'm sure that there are some words they definitely understand like: treat, Mama, kitty, sic 'em, and come here.
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 10/01/21 12:33 PM

My Mother, God rest her soul, had a Chinese Pug that truly didn't know sit from chit. But a true vacuum machine with anlything resembling food.

Pap
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 10/01/21 03:58 PM

another story...Pug story
friends up to the lake....Pug falls into the lake....swims towards the bottom....no sh-t....the owner of the pooch had to dive in, and collect him from going even deeper....

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/02/21 09:20 AM

No doubt about it. Each dog has it's very own unique "character" but regardless,you cannot help but love them.

Now,for you dog owners,here is the dog part dictionary that even Vets don't even know;
Mouth Tatey Trap
teeth Toofy Pegs
Front Paws Patty Whackers
Rear Paws Dammy Pats
All 4 Paws Bottsolas
Rear End Popohine

Run those by your Vet and see what happens....better yet..Don't.

Our dog,Luvvy,was listed as a hero dog,saved my life twice and my wife's three times.

I guess this thread pretty well got off the main track.

Wayne
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/07/21 09:13 AM

Getting back on track on this thread.

Went to the range yesterday and did some "snake Repel Drills' with the Bond Derringer in 410/3 inch.

Trust me on this,touch off a 3 inch in the Bond,you know that the bull pooped in the buckwheat for sure!!!

It isn't really that bad being the the grip has the recoil going into the palm of the hand and not the web.

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 10/07/21 03:39 PM

I made a few "custom" loads for mine a while back....as I recall there was a 00 buck, some #2 buck, and some #4....I think...something like that...I recall that the 00 buck was just about perfect fit inside the wad
never shot any...probably wouldn't be fun...BUT not intended to be fun
I'll get someone else to shoot it before me...someone that I don't particularly care for...

:-)Rocky
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 10/07/21 09:32 PM

I shoot remington 3” extra long range #4 shot at least a couple times a week while the Moccasins are out.

I use my Bond Arms Texan with a 6 “ barrel.

I try not to have to use that 2 shot if I don’t have to for reason already stated.
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 10/07/21 11:32 PM

https://linksharing.samsungcloud.com/iUq3xwF0Tsva


Glock 20SF 10mm. He waited a lot longer than I would have.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/08/21 12:58 PM

Pappy,

YIPES!!!!

Coach,

I have heard that the water moccasins are quite aggressive. One man down in GA was bitten on his pinky by one and it was six days in the hospital to the tune of $300,000.

I wear snake gaitors while on the quail hunt but it seems that my eyes are more focused on the ground where I am stepping then on the covey about to flush.

Rule down there is to NEVER step over a fallen log before checking what's on the other side first.

In my Bond,the 410 3 inch shells I use # 7 1/2 shot maybe I should switch to #6??

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 10/09/21 07:47 AM

Wayne:

I use #4 shot because some of our Moccasins are so big. #6 would probably be fine but I like how the #4s kill ‘em dead on the first shot.

You might have to take what you can get however, since I ordered 2 boxes of #4s from optic planet on April 30, and they are due to be shipped out on October 22.

Coach
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/09/21 09:26 AM

Coach,
I have a supply of #6s besides #7.5 so I will take your wise advise and switch to #6s.
Most snake defense distances are probably 5 feet or so.

My first "encounter" was "contact" and basically a dry bite.

None the less,a 1 and 1/2 hour stay at the hospital was $5,000.

Guess who now wears snake gaitors?

I have some #4 2 1/2 inch 410s (I think) want me to check and send them to you?? PM me.

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 10/10/21 11:08 AM

PM sent.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/23/21 09:50 AM

OK,it is now official.................22 mag snake shot does not work worth two poops against snakes.

I just came back from a GA snake hunt and on the first day out,I decided to travel light with my 22 Mag Black Widow. First 3 chambers with snake shot then two HP rounds.

A very close encounter with a 3 foot Buzzworm (rattlesnake). I shot it with the snake shot nothing.then a lucky head shot with the HP round did the trick.

Then I started to pack the 410 3 inch Bond but,of course,then no more encounters.

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 10/23/21 10:50 AM

interesting....ever pattern a .22 with snake shot?? I certainly haven't..
Disappointing BUT good to know
guess were about the only 2 left on this site....

:-)Rocky
Posted by: BladesNBarrels

Re: Hand Guns - 10/23/21 11:05 AM

Originally Posted By: thevalueman

guess were about the only 2 left on this site....

:-)Rocky


I think there are a lot more readers than writers.
When the Forums needed a little cash, a lot of people sent money to keep the Forums alive.
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 10/23/21 12:33 PM

You got to be within 2 ft with .22 snakeshot.
.357 snakeshot will go about 8-10 ft.

Bond Arms Texan loaded with 3” #4 will be 100% at 20+ feet!

Welcome back, Wayne.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/23/21 01:18 PM

Coach,
Great to be back......in one piece.

I was about 3 feet from the snake with the 22 mag snake shot. I really did not want to get closer being it already had struck out (but did not bite) one dog.

Then I got between the dog and the snake (like I said,no comments),and started the show.

Wayne
Posted by: Windsor

Re: Hand Guns - 10/23/21 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: BladesNBarrels
Originally Posted By: thevalueman

guess were about the only 2 left on this site....

I think there are a lot more readers than writers.
When the Forums needed a little cash, a lot of people sent money to keep the Forums alive.


I lurk a bit.

I have some beauties coming in soon that will be photographed and posted in the appropriate forums.
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 10/23/21 05:17 PM

I have a S&W 22 mag Airlite PD and have some bird shot but haven't shot anything yet. I also have a couple of cases if 22 bird shot,rat shot, if I ever use it. Still have my Bond .410 as well.

Pap
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 10/23/21 10:07 PM

No love lost on rattlesnake at all. Glad you took care of business with the hollow points!
Walker
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/24/21 09:23 AM

The HP round hit was lucky considering all the popcorn that was hitting the fan at the time.

While quail hunting my eyes are on the ground mostly looking out for the buzzworms. Being bitten once........was enough.

Trouble is that Mother Nature has them camoflaged so well you pretty much are on them before you see them.

Wayne
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 10/24/21 12:45 PM

Wayne
You need a set of Filson gaters, then no more worries about buzz tails.

Pap
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/25/21 09:41 AM

Pappy,
I do wear snake gaiters but still am quite wary.

That S&W Model 351PD of yours,I consider that a total classic.

Ever contact S&W to see if they could fit a 22LR cylder to it als well.

I have a Charter 22 snubby that has both the 22lr and 22 mag cylinder.

What rig do you carry it in???

Wayne
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 10/25/21 03:07 PM

I had a custom holster done by my leather artist, Tom Angle from Jordan Valley, Oregon. It's pig skin lined and nicely tooled. I haven't contacted S&W regarding a 22lr cylinder, mainly because I have 3 other 22's including an older 22 Airweight titanium that I keep in my golf cart.

When I worked in west Texas, I wore Chippewa tall snake boots, still have them, size 12 if anyone wants them.

Pap
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/25/21 06:11 PM

Pappy,
Wow! That is a super nice rig.

Gun in golf cart??? You shoot the golf balls with it???

I wear size 12 but my right foot is deformed from sharko foot.

Even Whites boots could not make a boot for me.

Wayne
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 10/25/21 08:02 PM

Wayne--

Your posts are interesting...make me ask how the dogs do around the snakes?

A friend once told me his dad captured snakes, put them in a pen, worked the dogs to get them downwind where they would get the scent, then shock them.

Supposed to have them averse to snakes. Of course not all snakes would be upwind from a dog that was hunting,

Larry
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 10/25/21 08:49 PM

Wayne
Our golf course is very close to where we live and hunt. The #12 T box is a 2 minute drive from our house. Bears, mountain lions, wolves and coyotes hang out along with the elk and deer. Plus on #16 par 3, I had my grandson with me and 2 big Dobermans came running towards us. The lady homeowner came out and said not to be afraid, and I pull my 22 out and said we're not afraid, but if your dogs come one foot closer, I'll kill both of them. Fortunately, she was able to get her dogs back into their home. It's like they say, if you have it and don't need it, that's better than needing it and not having it. After all, I live in the wild west. Lol.

Pap
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/26/21 08:42 AM

Pappy,
I agree with you and thank you for packing heat. Shows that you have a positive/preventive attitude.

Larry,
I have heard of some dogs being "snake trained" to avoid contact.

And now,they are talking about putting the prongs of the shock collars on the snake bite area to eliminate the venom.

I would rather spend the $$$ with the vet as I think that this is an iffy procedure.

Best action,of course is no bite.

And yes,around me,things do "occur"

Wayne
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 10/26/21 10:58 AM

Top dog
I like how you mention that things “occur” around you!
Well stated.
Walker
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 10/26/21 01:27 PM

My two dogs can smell moccasins across the yard. They avoid them at all costs. They refuse to go in high grass & weeds any more.

I can always tell if a moccasin has been somewhere on the trail by the way my dogs act.

When Ricky was about 6 months old, a moccasin struck at him but did not connect. He bristled up like I've never seen him do before. He has avoided them ever since.

When we killed that alligator last Summer, neither dog would come near it.
Posted by: Brent

Re: Hand Guns - 10/26/21 07:45 PM

I'm glad that I'm not the only one that has things "occur" around them.
I believe that using the shock collar prongs to help snake bites stems from a few years back when somebody said that they used a stun gun on a snake bite and it "worked". I believe that it was later proven not to have worked. Not a good time to experiment with something that "might" work.
So glad to live where there's nothing like that here.
Posted by: Windsor

Re: Hand Guns - 10/26/21 10:28 PM

Copperheads have a distinctive smell, too.

Humans can pick that up under certain circumstances.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/27/21 08:25 AM

Rob,
If I am close enough to smell them,then it is waaaay too close!!!

Gosh Coach!!!!!!

Seems like you have a lot of interesting critters in your neck of the woods.

Sure you don't want to borrow my Mossberg 12 ga Shock-Wave for a bit???

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 10/27/21 04:05 PM

Wayne,

I sure do have some interesting critters. Some, we hear at night and don't know what they are.

But rest assured that I am armed for anything that might be around here. 4 legged or 2 legged.

Coach
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/28/21 09:10 AM

Coach,
I kind of figured that for sure.

A lot of coyote activity here,a number of posters on the phone poles about missing Fidos and Fluffies.

Sure sign of activity.

A nice lightweight snubby in pocket at all times is a comfort.

Wayne
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 10/28/21 10:14 AM

Wayne:

The other night, the coyotes were yipping out behind the barn and Ricky was late coming in for Supper.

I called for him and he came trotting towards the porch with a possum in his mouth and 3 coyotes following him. He put the possum down when I poured his dog food but the coyotes stayed out in the shadows.

I tied him up for the night and came back in about 15 min to check on him. The possum was gone.

Ricky and the coyotes kinda know each other and I have some video of them playing chase together out in the yard.

Ol' Rusty would not play with them. He killed them. He probably weighed 130-140 lbs and was a lot more aggressive.

Coach
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/29/21 10:48 AM

Coach,
That sounds interesting. I think the 'yote prefer smaller prey. Typical of any predator,they choose the easy target.

I don't know which is worse,the two legged or four legged predator.

The four legged ones I pretty much can judge,the two legged ones are far more unpredictable.

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 10/29/21 08:38 PM

back to the thred...hand guns???

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/30/21 09:02 AM

Rocky,
380?? Looks super nice. Judging from the box mid 60s?? Probably earlier as that model could not be imported after the GCA of '68 went into effect.

Sorry about drifting off thread but when you get to be OLD like me,you never can tell where we wind up!!!!

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 10/30/21 11:28 AM

Wayne....I'm not the thread police...I just like seeing, and chatting about hand guns....shoot....any gun for that matter....It's an oldie for sure, came from my dad...I expect early 60's...I've not done much research on it, just thought it would get the track back....something to look at...that's all
Oh....9mm kurz....aka .380

:-)Rocky
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 10/30/21 05:07 PM

Rocky--

Maybe tell us the story about how it was lifted off 007?

I recall that Fleming said that the PPK was a "powerful" handgun.

And wonder if he sipped his tea with his pinkie lifted.

Nice collectible package.

Larry
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 10/31/21 08:42 AM

Rocky,
I was wondering if the markings on the slide were 380 acp or 9mm Kurz.

Larry,
If I am not mistaken,I think 007's PPK was in 32 acp which certainly was very powerful.......................NOT!

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 10/31/21 10:05 AM

Here yah go!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 10/31/21 12:18 PM

Nice Walther for sure!!!
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 10/31/21 06:23 PM

Long time since I read those novels!

Looking online, they say 007 carried a Beretta 418 in .25ACP at first.

Then a friend of Flemings wrote to him that 007 needed to be up-gunned to a Walther in .32ACP!

Not much of an up-gunning. But heck, everyone shot with either gun fell dead in their tracks! Maybe he only made head shots?

Only in the movies did 007 get outfitted with a more sufficient caliber, and in the most recent movie you would not believe the mayhem from sophisticated firearms. Bad guys still fall immediately, like before.

Larry
Posted by: BOB_TEATES

Re: Hand Guns - 10/31/21 08:03 PM

Go Big....U.S.A. Dirty Harry...44 mag...make my day!
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/01/21 09:16 AM

Bob,
You haven't lived until you touched off a 444 Marlin in a 6 inch Thompson Contender!!!

I would say that it is pretty much......."a religious experience"

It only hurts....once.

Wayne
Posted by: BOB_TEATES

Re: Hand Guns - 11/01/21 11:37 AM

Wayne, Is "It only hurts once" because you will only shoot it once and put it down? Nice ppk by the way. I have a beater ppks in .380 I can't say what the marlin is like but as I get older I don't enjoy the heavy recoil much anymore
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 11/01/21 02:03 PM

My EDC .32 Seacamp....even it is no fun shooting...too small to grip!!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: rodbrown

Re: Hand Guns - 11/01/21 04:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Wayne Dengler
Bob,
You haven't lived until you touched off a 444 Marlin in a 6 inch Thompson Contender!!!

I would say that it is pretty much......."a religious experience"

It only hurts....once.

Wayne

Wayne
Never shot a 444, but I did shoot my friends S&W 500. Thought I would have to visit the dentist the next day to reglue my loose fillings!!
I wouldn’t say it was a religious experience but I did say a few words than pertained to religion.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/01/21 06:06 PM

I shot the T/C for a magazine article way back when. Shots for the magazine were basically dry fire then for poops and giggles I decided ti fire one live round.

Yep,that was the first and last 444 Marlin I fired out of that T/C.

But........some years later,I got a 444 Marlin 16 inch bbl for my T/C and had a shoulder stock on it. Big difference. Recoil was somewhat there but not really that bad.

I don't even want to know about what a 500 S&W would be like.

I guess the trick is to get the bear to shoot it?????

Yet,I have no real problem with shooting my Ruger Alaskan 44 Mag but now that I am (quite) old,pretty much prefer the milder calibers.

Wayne
Posted by: nate-dogg

Re: Hand Guns - 11/02/21 01:00 AM

Here are a couple doe I got with my 500 Magnum last winter. Was only planning on getting one, but the 2nd one ran a loop and ended up right back in front of me, so I dropped her too.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/02/21 10:41 AM

Nate-Dogg

That's pretty nice. I see that you tagged your harvest right away which is required but some folks seem to forget.

Nice you harvested some doe. A lot of folks look for the big antlers but I have yet to eat any antlers.

Maybe Pappy knows how to cook them up????? Looks like you would get every feet per second out of that long bbl

Wayne

Factory loads or handloads????
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 11/02/21 11:44 AM

I keep tenderloins and backstraps for rare steaks on the grill, and burger the rest with 30% beef fat. I sometimes pound the backstrap steaks and chicken fry them.

Pap
Posted by: nate-dogg

Re: Hand Guns - 11/02/21 03:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Wayne Dengler
Nate-Dogg

That's pretty nice. I see that you tagged your harvest right away which is required but some folks seem to forget.

Nice you harvested some doe. A lot of folks look for the big antlers but I have yet to eat any antlers.

Maybe Pappy knows how to cook them up????? Looks like you would get every feet per second out of that long bbl

Wayne

Factory loads or handloads????


Yes we try to take twice as many doe as we do bucks to keep population in check. Factory loads. Barnes solid copper hollow points. 100% weight retention.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/02/21 06:38 PM

Pappy,
What?? No antler stew??

Nate Dogg

In my state,if you take a doe to the weigh station you get another tag until you come in with a buck then that is it.

Good to keep the population in check.

Wayne
Posted by: nate-dogg

Re: Hand Guns - 11/02/21 06:50 PM

Our first tag is good for buck or doe and can get up to 5 more doe after the buck tag.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/03/21 02:40 PM

Nate-dogg,
That is very good. I hope you always keep the freezer filled.

I juat got back in from going to my old PD to do my annual qualification for my national carry permit.
I was so scared,not really,I designed the course!!!

Now I am in a bit of a quandry,maybe the folks on this forum can help.

I used my Glock 43 to qualify,no sweat 100% (been doing that since ;68) but now for Church security every Sunday I use my Charter Snubbies. A Three inch in my "bible Bag" and a 2 inch on my ankle.

But I am now looking at my G-43. I use the three inch snubby as my trail gun while squirrel hunting,not for squirrels,of course,butr in case an ever present coyote shows up.

Any advice/opinions??? Pappy,I know you have something to
say!! (hoping?)

Wayne
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 11/03/21 05:36 PM

Get the G43-X, it comes with better sights, better trigger and slightly longer slide than a regular 43. I have a regular 43 , but I hopped it up. The X pretty much comes good to go. Of course when I'm in the woods or hunting, I pack my G-20SF in 10mm, in a chest holster with extra mag.

Pap
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/03/21 05:53 PM

Pappy,
If I am not mistaken, the G-20 has a 15 round magazine???

Aught to take care of most any problem in your neck of the woods.

The 3 inch Charter snubby in 38 spl pretty much is up to task for anything that may crop up here.

The chest rig,is it a Diamond -D?? I have one for my Ruger Alaskan.

Wayne
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 11/03/21 07:04 PM

Yes the 20 has a 15 round mag, so 15+1 with one in the chamber. And yes, a Diamond D Guide Chest holster.


Pap
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 11/04/21 11:30 AM

https://www.facebook.com/100009638796421/posts/1592759121055366/?sfnsn=mo


Here's a nice chest holster rig from my leather artist friend Tom Able. I had already bought my Diamond D before I met Tom, otherwise, I would have had him make me one.

Pap
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/04/21 12:47 PM

Pappy,
Both are super nice rigs.

Seems that with the chest style rig,the piece is never in the way and you hardly know it is there.

I decided on my Church/security outfit. Glock 43 with two reloads in the Bible bag and the lightweight snubby in the ankle rig.
The 3 inch does nightstand duty and field gun duty.

Wayne
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Hand Guns - 11/04/21 02:52 PM

Can't go wrong with that combo. I would suggest some upgrades from The Glock Store.

Pap
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/04/21 06:31 PM

Pap,
So far,my G-43 right out of the box seems to be pretty good.

Beauty of the Glocks is that they are good to go right away.

I try to stay away from "upgrades" on any SD piece because if it is used in a SD situation,it may have some issues in trial.

That is why many PDs keep their weapons stock.

Wayne
Posted by: Duke

Re: Hand Guns - 11/09/21 01:50 PM

Going back a little but the hunting seasons rolling right along here. In the early black powder season and this Saturday is opening day for the high power firearms. Re: felt recoil…..I still really enjoy my TC handguns (& carbine) as well as the S&W 629 & Ruger 6gun…..calibers in 44Mag, 45-70, 309JDJ & 300Whisper. I’ve hunted with these from 10-34 years now BUT do not abuse my hands shooting’em for hours on the range. Once I know the zero is still good at 250 yards, so that anything under is good too, I’m good to go. It’s just so great carrying these on the slow “walk-stalk” hunts in these VA mountains. I still hope to recover a bullet some day but don’t expect to anymore as any shot that I take has always been
“thru-&-thru”….don’t do Texas heart shots.
I’ve always handloaded everything they shoot, so here’s a couple pics of the 45-70 and 309 for comparison. The 309 uses 444 Marlin brass and the 300 uses .221 Fireball. What fun!! Added one more pic of my nephew's recent muzzleloader kill on the farm. Not too shabby. The only shabbiness is my photography.
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 11/09/21 10:11 PM

Nice buck right there!
Walker
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 11/10/21 06:01 AM

Nice buck!!!

Walking around (hunting) on ancestral land is a real treat this time of the year.

I will look over there and see where Papa and Uncle Walter’s old syrup mill used to be, the terraces where they farmed, the spot where my great grandpa supposedly killed a bear in the late 1800s, the spring where they first camped when they came to Texas in 1850, etc.

Good on you, Duke!
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/10/21 08:01 AM

Duke,
Handloading is the way to go. Super nice buck!!

Coach,Looks like you live in an area super rich in memories/history.

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 11/11/21 07:24 AM

Duke,
Did I get that right....you're shooting pistols out to 250 yards??
I get the reloading...that's all I shoot hunting

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/11/21 09:10 AM

Gosh! I thought that it was Elmer Keith who was the one who did that long range hunting with a handgun!!!

My longest shots were doing the National Match Course at 50 yards and that was all I could manage.

Wayne
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 11/11/21 09:23 AM

Not what they are intended to do, but showing off it can be done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fwb-9aYDa0
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/11/21 06:04 PM

Obviously Jerry is very good.

380 at 200 yards?? Awesome!!!!

Wayne
Posted by: Duke

Re: Hand Guns - 11/12/21 01:00 AM

No 250 yds. shot AT GAME for me Rocky. My longest whitetail shot took place 43 years ago when I knocked down hard a pretty big 7 pointer at 168 good steps with my open sights, set-trigger, 50 cal., TC Hawken; as a younger man with excellent eyesight. Everything since (meaning deer, turkeys and a pile of whistle pigs) with handguns, bow, modern or muzzle rifles has ranged from 20-115 yards, with 90% being 60yds. & under. Those are the shots in the VA Blue Ridge mtns. where I hunt. My 44Mag Ruger has& will always have open sights ONLY & the S&W wheelie has a RedDot zeroed at 150. The 1shot “destroyer” Contenders in 309JDJ & 300W each sport 2&7s as do the 45-70 & 44Mag (& .223). The local public ranges are 100yds. BUT I’m lucky to also have had an 800yd. range on my family’s farm for the past 30+ years. I learned long ago that pushing lead out long range, as often as I can, reduces my stress, lowers my blood pressure & my heart rate, helps me relax AND really improves my shooting. At my home range I always shoot off the same day pack that accompanies me hunting from a sitting or flat out position, same as hunting.
I do really enjoy reloading and talking powders, bullets, grains, ballistic coefficients, etc. for hours but won’t bore folks here. BUT a big part of that is knowing the calibers I shoot and if zeroed at 250 exactly how many inches low it’ll be at 275/300 OR 50 & how many high at 75 yds. etc. I do, have and will take long shots at whistle pigs, great way to keep your shooting ability and confidence up. But one huge part of deer & turkey hunting, for me, is how close can I get to make that one shot kill. I never think about my longest shotor the “quick follow-up shots”, with game. I’ve always enjoyed reading about Elmer Keith but I’ll leave to others his type of incredible long shots &/or TX heartshots that he originated (I think).
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/12/21 12:24 PM

Duke,
Handloading is a separate hobby unto itself. I enjoy it just as much as shooting and going afield.

A friend of mine has a Barrett 50,talk about long range....and reloading.

Each case takes 230 grains of H5010 powder,when he pulls down on the lever on his Dillon Progressive reloader for it, looks something like you flushed the toilet in the powder reservoir.

The 50 doesn't come into it's own until after 800 yard or so when the bullet spins itself to "sleep".

And...................trust me on this,there is some recoil. Not extremely serious but you do know something had "occurred".

Wayne
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 11/12/21 04:14 PM

Speaking of .50 Cal...
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/12/21 05:49 PM

Larry,
That looks interesting...but what is it?? I can see the projectile point,but is that a brick??

Wayne
Posted by: BOB_TEATES

Re: Hand Guns - 11/12/21 06:36 PM

plate steel.
Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: Hand Guns - 11/12/21 08:31 PM

1-inch steel plate.

Turned out the barrel we had gotten for some tests was shot out.

In ten feet from the muzzle to the plate, the AP rounds yawed that much.

The replacement barrel sent the round zipping through it the way it should, then we could move on to the materials we were testing.

I had this one cut out to keep as a paperweight.

Larry
Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: Hand Guns - 11/12/21 11:28 PM

Years ago when I hand loaded everything except self-defense ammo I bought an RCBS Big Max press because it would handle 50 BMG. I never bought a 50 BMG because there is nowhere around here to shoot and justify a long, long, long-range rifle. I mounted the press on my bench and have never used it. Now that I have some time on my hands I guess I will post it on eBait. Here is a photo, not mine, of a Big Max press.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/13/21 09:14 AM

Tom,

Good Lord!!! That is BIG.

Don't sell it,go out and buy a Barret 50 so you will have a use for it then.

I am sure that in the Great State of Texas there is some area where you can fire a long range Barret 50.

I am sure that would be the perfect gun for feral hogs at long range!!!!

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 11/13/21 09:39 AM

https://tylerpaper.com/news/queen-of-the...e8f3524905.html
.416 Barrett!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Chief

Re: Hand Guns - 11/13/21 11:04 AM

Tom there used to be a long gun range in Shreveport.....not sure now.
I have dies & conversion kits for calibers I don't own but are popular.....never say never.
Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: Hand Guns - 11/13/21 11:53 AM

Wayne,

Where I am located you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a pine or oak tree.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/14/21 09:24 AM

Tom,
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Guess you do have a bit of a problem there. Nice area,just not conductive to long range shooting.

Pretty much the same here in New England. Average hunting distance is 50 yards with most being way less than that.

Squirrel shots,20 yards..maybe.

In my state,handgun hunting permitted but up to 22 caliber (meaning 22 lr/22 mag) so it is basically for small game.

Airguns up to 22 caliber and no suppressors allowed for hunting.

Wayne
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 11/21/21 08:07 AM

Eye candy for a Sunday morning!!
Smith 27 with a 5" barrel

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/21/21 09:04 AM

Rocky,
You don't see many Model 27s with 5 inch barrels.

I got a used Model 27 way back when ($85.) that had a 6 1/2 inch barrel.

Before going to 'Nam,I sent it up to S&W and had them cut/crown the barrel back to 4 inches and also move the front back as well.

It went to 'Nam with me and later on in years I had it Metal-lifed and then sent it to Magna-Port for the then new magna-port process.

Wayne
Posted by: BOB_TEATES

Re: Hand Guns - 11/21/21 09:39 AM

Very nice. the 5" has a good balance. I am lucky to have one also
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 11/21/21 09:57 AM

Metal-lifed....now that's going back a bit...I had a 600 Mohawk metal-lifed way back when....still have it....great gun!!! .308 also found a plastic/fiberglass stock for it....back then, you didn't have the choices you have today....here is a Walther .22 I also had "metal-lifed"

Correction....I think that the Mowhawk was "Parkerized"...the walther was definatly Metal-lifed....

:-)Rocky
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 11/21/21 05:06 PM

Rocky:

That 27 is Eye Candy for sure!!!

And, I have one of those Walther PPK/S-22s.

It’s a little picky on ammo, but with CCI mini mags, it runs smooth and is fun to shoot.

Coach
Posted by: QUADroach

Re: Hand Guns - 11/21/21 08:17 PM

how old is the 27? looks good
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 11/21/21 08:41 PM

My dad gave it to me when I was 18....about 50 years ago...it was used then...I have since passed it to my son...he took a pig(on the run) with it a few years back....the model 27 is, in fact, one of the most wonderful guns that was made by Smith...I still do like my model 52 as well!!
I've got a picture(of the pig) somewhere...BUT I can't seem to find it right now

:-)Rocky
Posted by: nate-dogg

Re: Hand Guns - 11/21/21 10:36 PM

Here's some more eye candy.
Left to right- 66, 28, 17, 28, 57
Posted by: coachblalock

Re: Hand Guns - 11/21/21 11:04 PM

Man - O - Man !!!!

That is EYE CANDY !!!
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 11/22/21 01:40 AM

That s a nice set!
What grips are on those- other than “stag”!
Walker
Posted by: nate-dogg

Re: Hand Guns - 11/22/21 02:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Shoot870p

What grips are on those- other than “stag”!
Walker


The pair on the far left and two pair on the far right are ELK from Ken "bigmtnman" Driskill. The second set from left are AJAX. And the dark set just say Germany.
Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Hand Guns - 11/22/21 03:16 AM

Thank you sir. Sure do look good.
Walker
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Hand Guns - 11/22/21 07:15 AM

YES!!!

:-)Rocky
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/22/21 09:02 AM

Lots of stag along with a Case Stockman (stag) and it looks like a Randall #2 there as well.

Looks like a Tyler T-grip adapter on what I think may be a Model 27??

Wayne
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Hand Guns - 11/22/21 10:38 AM

Wayne,
It's a Model #2-4" with reduced hilt and revolver is a #28, as is noticeable by a more matted blue finish and standard hammer & trigger. Tyler grip adapters feel great and standard stocks!
Nice setup,
Capt. Chris
Posted by: mic214

Re: Hand Guns - 11/22/21 03:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback
Wayne,
It's a Model #2-4" with reduced hilt and revolver is a #28, as is noticeable by a more matted blue finish and standard hammer & trigger. Tyler grip adapters feel great and standard stocks!
Nice setup,
Capt. Chris


I always lusted after the Model 27 with the 5” barrel. I carried a 6” Model 28 when I was a rookie LEO back in the 70’s. I later switched to a 4” Model 28 as it was easier to carry.



When we switched to semi autos, I had my 4” Model 28 re-blued, added a target trigger, target hammer, a yellow front sight insert and had an action job done. I gave it to my dad and he still has it.

Posted by: nate-dogg

Re: Hand Guns - 11/22/21 04:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Wayne Dengler
Lots of stag along with a Case Stockman (stag)

Wayne

It's a Buck 371
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/23/21 10:09 AM

Nate-Dogg,
I did not know that Buck 371s came in stag. I could be wrong on this but the 371s were made "off shore"???

Model 28 4 inch barreled revolvers were our issued piece when I started in '68. Police price for one back then was....$68. !!!!

Don't see that now.

Wayne
Posted by: nate-dogg

Re: Hand Guns - 11/23/21 05:20 PM

Jigged bone.
Posted by: rodbrown

Re: Hand Guns - 11/23/21 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: mic214
Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback
Wayne,
It's a Model #2-4" with reduced hilt and revolver is a #28, as is noticeable by a more matted blue finish and standard hammer & trigger. Tyler grip adapters feel great and standard stocks!
Nice setup,
Capt. Chris


I always lusted after the Model 27 with the 5” barrel. I carried a 6” Model 28 when I was a rookie LEO back in the 70’s. I later switched to a 4” Model 28 as it was easier to carry.



When we switched to semi autos, I had my 4” Model 28 re-blued, added a target trigger, target hammer, a yellow front sight insert and had an action job done. I gave it to my dad and he still has it.






Mick
That model 28 is superb, beautiful, excellent and darn nice to boot.
Posted by: Duke

Re: Hand Guns - 11/24/21 06:55 AM

Left out just plain purdy, Rod.
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/24/21 08:15 AM

Rod,
That is super top shelf of the neat locker!!!!

Wayne
Posted by: rodbrown

Re: Hand Guns - 11/24/21 09:48 AM

Duke and Wayne

Thanks guys! Had a 27- 8 3/8” years ago. Shot it at Steel silhouette for a few years, then never shot it again. Sold it for a lot more than I paid for it.
Posted by: BOB_TEATES

Re: Hand Guns - 11/24/21 12:17 PM

It has a coat of ren wax on it, makes it almost too shiny
Posted by: mic214

Re: Hand Guns - 11/24/21 01:45 PM

Originally Posted By: rodbrown
Originally Posted By: mic214
Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback
Wayne,
It's a Model #2-4" with reduced hilt and revolver is a #28, as is noticeable by a more matted blue finish and standard hammer & trigger. Tyler grip adapters feel great and standard stocks!
Nice setup,
Capt. Chris


I always lusted after the Model 27 with the 5” barrel. I carried a 6” Model 28 when I was a rookie LEO back in the 70’s. I later switched to a 4” Model 28 as it was easier to carry.



When we switched to semi autos, I had my 4” Model 28 re-blued, added a target trigger, target hammer, a yellow front sight insert and had an action job done. I gave it to my dad and he still has it.






Mick
That model 28 is superb, beautiful, excellent and darn nice to boot.


Thanks!

The work was done back in the 80's by Bob Chow. His shop was in San Francisco and he did some amazing work!
Posted by: Wayne Dengler

Re: Hand Guns - 11/25/21 11:00 AM

Rodbrown,

You sold a Model 27 with 8 3/8 in bbl???? I bet now you are sorry you did that!!!

Mic214,
Bob Chow was one of the early premiere pistolsmiths. Did you knoiw that he was also an extra in some movies???

Wayne
Posted by: mic214

Re: Hand Guns - 11/25/21 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Wayne Dengler
Rodbrown,

You sold a Model 27 with 8 3/8 in bbl???? I bet now you are sorry you did that!!!

Mic214,
Bob Chow was one of the early premiere pistolsmiths. Did you knoiw that he was also an extra in some movies???

Wayne


No, I didn’t know he was in any movies. That’s pretty interesting. I spent a lot of time (And money!) in his shop over the years:)