Hand Guns

Here is a pair of Ruger's in 45 Colt, fully factory engraved, ordered at the 2005 Shot Show in Las Vegas I think the year is right. Also a older 22, High Standard. The 22 is in a wooden display case but I have the original box. The box is like new and all of the paperwork is there as well.

That's a good looking Trophy HS.

Wow!

WOW AGAIN !!!

Very nice, Sidney.
Walker

Sid,
Super nice. I remember when the High Standards pretty much ruled the line at the National Match Courses years ago

Superb guns right out of the box.

The only HS standard I have now is their derringer (22 lr) that I had with me in 'Nam.

Wayne

very nice!!
I got addicted to their Birds Head guns!!
I love loading form them as much as shooting them
As for .22 I shoot the OLD 41's

:-)Rocky

Rocky,

I am with you with the Model 41 S + W. Taught the kids how to shoot with that one.

Tom Flynn

Rocky,
That S&W Model 41 has always been the premium gun in the S&W 22 auto line up.

Totally accurate right out of the box and I have yet to see one that had sloppy machine marks. They were always perfect.

Wayne

Here is one of mine. I also have a extra box as I had one stolen along with a Sterlingworth (sp) Fox that belonged to my father and a Kimber 22 rifle that had never been shot. I now have a couple safes, to late.

Sidney,

That is in great shape!

Tom Flynn

Coach Blalock asked me to post this picture I took a while back. I have since sold some of them and also added a few new ones. One day I'll get around to taking a new picture of my current handguns.

What a set of pistols !!!

Speechless.

Pap

Very impressive; is that a 500 S&W Magnum?

Tom Flynn

Really,really nice!!!!!!!!!!!

Wayne

Yes. I got 2 doe with it this last deer season

Holy Cow what a collection. It gives you that warm fuzzy feeling. Do you have the boxes for them? Saving the boxes is a smart move as they bring more with the box.

I have the boxes for the ones that I bought new. Several of those were bought second hand though so unfortunately no boxes for some of them.

ye ol' CMP M1911A1 (barrel clearly screams "rebuild!")

Super collection..
If you decide to ever part with any of the S&W's.I'd be willing
to make a road trip.

Windsor,
If I may suggest,don't rebuild that iconic piece!!!!!!! It is perfect the way it is.

Reminds me of years ago,guys would "rebuild " their cars with all sorts of stuff. The last item they then put on it was;

A For Sale sign.

That 1911 will work just fine the way JMB designed it. No need for any fancy ammo,just plain old FMJ which has a perfect track record.

Wayne

I wasn't planning on it, I meant that the barrel is parkerized outside *and* inside, indicating that it's been rebuilt before.

I have no plans to rebuild the gun other than maybe figuring out how to remove the park inside the barrel. Other than the inside park, it's a good HS barrel.

Windsor,
Probably if you just gently scrub the barrel with a bronze brush and solvent,it will reduce some of the parkerization.

Then shoot it as you normally would. When the gun was rebuilt and parkerized,I am sure that the armorers knew that the finish would not be harmful to the barrel.

Wayne

OK, let's see your one (1) most interesting handgun.

Here's my S&W 317 AirLite 22LR and Sullivan's slip on holster from 1998. They aren't making the 317 anymore. Great little carry revolver.

Pap

Pap:

That's a neat little .22. I bet it has filled some cans full of holes over the years.

Coach

Not just cans Coach, but lots of forest grouse as well. Too bad it didn't come in 22mag or I would have one.

Pap

Mike,

They do make one in 22WMR. Model 351PD...

Pap,
Contact S&W and see if they would fit a 22 mag cylinder to it.

I did that with my Charter Arms Pathfinder. Now I have two cylinders for it and it only takes about two minutes to convert.

Wayne

Wayne
That was a good idea,but they said they can't do it. I'm looking at ordering one.

Pap

Pap:

Wonder if you get the .22 mag first, can they fit a .22 lr cylinder to it?

Also, can you get the .22 mag in Stainless?

Coach

The 351PD is titanium but blued. I'm looking into finding one at a decent price. I've got my local FFL fellow trying to find one. I'll either keep the 317 or give it to one of the grandkids.

Pap

I have a couple of favorites. One I shoot and one I don't. The old 45 just keeps going strong.

Pappy
Here is a 351C.Thay make a 351 PD it has exposed hammer.

There is something about those super fly weight 22 snubbies that make them special.

Sidney,

That is an AWESOME 1911!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pappy,
I have a feeling that S&W could very well fit the piece with a magnum cylinder but just won't do it so you would have to buy another piece.

From what I understand,the manufacturers make the barrels to 22 magnum specs (reduce inventory). There shouldn't be any problem in chambering a 22 LR cylinder to magnum

Just my opinion.

Wayne

It's not that I am unhappy with the 317 22LR, I packed it a very long time and shot a number of forest grouse with it. However, the rat shot from the 22LR doesn't compare with the 22mag rat shot. The 22mag rat shot will take a grouse at 30 feet, but the 22lr won't. Plus a 22mag hollow point has almost as much punch as a 38 Special. Anyway, hoping my local gun dealer can score me a 351PD.

Pap

Pap,
I hope that you will be able to get a S&W 351PD soon.

Bill Jordan,in his superb book No Second Place Winner extols on the value of a lightweight snubby in 22mag. And this was in 1965 when the book was first published and there wasn't the selection of 22 magnum ammo at that time like now.

My favorite "snubby" is the North American Arms Black Widow.

Wayne

Here are my two .22 pistols:

Ruger SP101

Walther PPK/S-22

I wish I could get a .22 Magnum cylinder for the Ruger.

I suggested "unusual" so here is mine.No, that is not the serial number. I "edited" it.

Nice Broomhandle Tom.

My 317 serial number is COH 3333, which is kind of neat.

Pap

Tom, THAT is unusual !

Nice "Red-9" 1898 Tom.
Best, Capt. Chris

Check this out.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/127/text

Pap

Pap--

The sponsor is from your state!

Maybe moved there (like others are doing) from California?

Given time, expect Texas to be changed.

Maybe Texans should befriend Californians who move there and help them to appreciate common sense.

I don't think her Bill will go anywhere, but remember that (1) every member of that august body tries to do things that will make them look big and important, and (2) sometimes foolish laws get passed in spite of the checks and balances.

Larry

Larry
The sponsor is from Texas not Idaho. Idaho is one of the most gun friendly states there is. We are getting a lot of Californians coming to Idaho, but I suspect that the majority are conservative Republicans.

Pap

The sponsor is Sheila Jackson Lee (D) Texas.

I looked through the Bill and I don’t think it has a “snowball’s chance”.

Pap--

Got you mixed up with that state down south! Sorry about that, but you would still be in good company.

I agree with Coach...no chance (at all?). But we live in strange times, and they are a'changing.

Larry

That is just another look at me bill, see how good I am doing. I picked this up recently and I was surely disappointed with the trigger. The first time I shot it, I pressed the trigger and it felt like I still had the safety on, I even looked to make sure it wasn't, hope it will improve with use, but I don't think so. Looks like a trigger job. Not up to Kimber's standards.

This is one I came across when I was organizing my safes, I had forgotten all about it, also found a couple more that I had forgotten. My short term memory is awful.

Sidney,

The 1911 and the S&W 41 are awesome.

Fun when you clean things and you find all kinds of things you tucked away for way too long. Winter is a good time for catching up.

Tom Flynn

Sidney,
Years ago,during our local National Match Courses,it was the Model 41 or the High Standard Trophy Models that pretty much ruled on the firing line.

The S&W Model 41 always had been superbly made with no machine marks what so ever. I had never seen one that gave any problems.

Wayne

Sidney, sorry the Kimber trigger is bad.

I have been carrying a Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry for over 15 years. The trigger is excellent. The only mods I've made are Kimber tritium sights and the Laser-Grips.

Not sure I've ever forgot a gun I owned.....you may have a problem...
I'm just say'n
especially a 41!!

:-)Rocky

S&W41 S&W 2206 Sig TRAILSIDE

Rocky when I was 41 my memory was great. Now pushing 75, not so great. Some of these things I haven't seen in 12 to 16 years. Lots of fun. Found two Pythons I had forgotten, and much more.

like an Easter egg hunt....

:-)Rocky

Rocky,
Nice "standard" auto!!

One of my Ruger Standard autos,I sent to Jim Clark to be accurized. One of the additions was a Douglas Barrel with an integral muzzle brake.

1/2 inch groups from a machine rest at 50 yards.

Wayne

Wayne, I believe that one is a shooter for sure. I really like Ruger .22s.
Walker

valquartsen setup
BUT a shooter none the less

:-)Rocky

Wayne...
I think that I have one of Jim Clark"s "45's"
I'll take a look...
and Sidney...before you give me crap...I know I have it!!!...I think
upp's...right Jim...wrong last name...

:-)Rocky

Rocky, that is a nice pistol for sure. Tom, this is my EDC, and a Sig that I can afford to shoot all day.

Rocky,
Yep,I have a Clark 1911 as well. Sent it in for one of his accuracy jobs and Bo-Mar sights for NMC.

Back then (1970) the turn around was about 2 weeks,not much longer.

Wayne

The Bomar shop was just a few miles down the road from me. You would not believe what a thrown-up tin shed it was. It's all gone now unless they moved to somewhere else. Are they still making sights?

Tom,
I have not seen any of the Bo-Mar ads so I do not know that they are in business or not.

Their sights were excellent.

Wayne

TTB
I was "told" that the old bomar sights were out of production, but that copies were available. Not sure how credible this info was or is but that was the story t presented to me. Funny thing was the shop could not say where to get the sights.
Walker

You go down that one alley and look for the green door.

Wasn’t there a movie back in the 70s titled:

BEHIND THE GREEN DOOR

The star of that movie lived a few miles from me in the next town over.

Wayne

I’m not even gonna ask the obvious question.

???

LOL Now that is funny!

No comment. I can neither confirm nor deny...............

Wayne

That is probably best !!!

I am going to shift to long guns for a moment, the groundhogs will be out soon and I will try to take a few, just to get a chance to shoot my bench rifle, It is good to 400 yards if I can hold steady, not so easy to do at my age, but I shoot off a rest so that helps. This has a Timminy double set trigger, when you set the trigger all you have to do it just put a shadow on the front trigger and it is gone, first time I shot it, it scared me. It has the Mauser action and either a Douglas or Schilling barrel, the man I bought it from couldn't remember which as he was way up there in years and had had so many built he just couldn't remember.

Nice rig Sidney,
Looks like a Model 98 (short for 1898) Mauser military action, which has been sporterized...(Safety has been modified to operate with a riflescope. The forend and pistol grip are rosewood? Austrian flame maple stock? Maybe a Pachmayer (or Browning) recoil pad?
Impressive!
Best, Capt. Chris

That a gorgeous rifle, Sydney. Hope you nail a few g-hogs.

Pap

Sidney,
Somehow...Some way...You got that last photo reversed??
Best, Capt. Chris

That is an absolutely beautiful stock!!!

I agree, that stock is excellent!

What caliber is it?

Thanks guys for the nice comments, my bad on the pic being reversed, I wasn't paying attention as usual. Coach it is 243.

Sweet!!!

You really got something there!

Sidney,

Great gun; beautiful workmanship on that stock and finish!

Tom Flynn

I've gotten to where I love shooting my bench rest guns....liking punching holes....not always at long distances, just me, shooting, and minding my own business....
nice gun!!

:-)Rocky

Rocky,
Bench rest shooting or any target shooting is a discipline unto itself.

Always room for improvement and always interesting.

I have an Air Force Condor Air Rifle that,from a rest,at 50 yards will shoot 1/2" groups all day long.

Off hand........not so much.

Wayne

Wayne,
Anything "off hand" is a crap shoot for me!!!
I keep mine in the rests!!!
I ran by this messing around over the weekend...not the gun!!! just the sight

:-)Rocky

Off hand has gone out the window for me. Rocky I like your pistol, those Bo-Mar sights must have been special, and still are for those that have them.

I guess...I haven't shot this gun much at all....just a few times after I got it back from the gunsmith....it was a mess when I got it from my dad...wouldn't function...in pieces...I think it was a junker he got off of somebody probably for next to nothing...threw it in a box...and, there it sat...I thought maybe some of those old NM 45's may have come with a Bo-mar...mine doesn't, nor my Smith 41, nor my Smith 52....I guess that's probably the only one I have

:-)Rocky

Rocky,
Nice 1911 there. Looks like it is set up for hardball match or combat match.

John Browning designed that piece and it is still basically unchanged to this day.

I prefer the plain jane stock model but did,some years ago,answer to the National Match call and sent a 1911 to Jim Clark for his accuracy job,etc.

Superb gun but I still like the issued piece. Designed for hardball which has an excellent track record.

In 'Nam,I was not issued one but everyone in my outfit "acquired" one and the standard mode of carry was cocked and locked,round in the chamber with 7 round magazine.

Just the way JMB designed it.

Wayne

Wayne..
I spent some of my time as a youth, at the "gun club" pulling, and pasting targets...I was there mainly for retired Colonel Alfred F Green, a definite "hard ball" shooter!!
That's as far as it goes for me and the .45's...other than just shooting them...that man was a shooter!!

:-)Rocky

Rocky,
Always nice to mentored by a dyed in the wool hardball shooter.

You learn so much that way in comparison to book learning.

I think it was Mark Twain that once said that he never let schooling interfere with his education.

Wayne

Interesting read. Handguns vs bears.

https://www.ammoland.com/2020/03/update-.../#axzz6pCW2V7sz

Pap

Dang interesting Pappy. I learned that, statistically, I’d do just as well packing my Ruger 22 as my S&W 44 Mag as my Glock 10mm. Who’da thunk it?
BUT, as we all know, what really matters is shot placement. AND, just pack something!
Great read. Thanks for posting.

An old Idaho rancher told me, if possible, when they stand up, grizzlies generally do, shoot at their throat, instant kill. Every bear I've shot in the throat, has dropped in it's tracks.

Pap

Interesting read for sure!

Good advice Pap!

I enjoyed that, even added it to my favs.

Pappy: I got some chills reading some of those.

I feel sorry for the one's traumatized and killed by those attacks.

Really informative article.Thanks for posting!

Now i gotta go watch "The Revenant" again.

That advice is good for all two-legged buggers Pappy.

I have an interesting book 4 Seconds Until Impact

Tells of all sorts of encounters of the worst kind with all types of critters.

Many bear attacks but huge amount of coyote attacks and cougars too.

The author reccomends packing heat but also gives high praise to bear spray.

My area has had MANY coyote attacks so I always pack heat.

Two legged critters are more prevalent in my area.

Wayne

Pap,

Thanks that was a great article.

Walk softly and carry a big gun! I pulled mine three times on Black Bears while we skinned one. Luckily didn't have to shoot, but they were all interested in what we were working on. Black Bears will cannibalize each other; I don't think they were interested in me or the guide.

Tom Flynn

Tom:

If you don’t mind me asking, where were you when you had this picture made?

It is absolutely gorgeous there!

Coach

Coach that was an inlet off of Columbia Bay/Prince William Sound about 8 hours by boat Southwest of Valdez Alaska. We were on a small Island had a 376 yard shot. Already got my Mountain Goat and we were Black Bear hunting. My guide said give me your camera you'll thank me later.

The spot we were at the tide went out at least an 8' drop and had to sit there till 10:00 at night after skinning the Bear until the tide came back in. It was an interesting hour ride back to the main boat dodging ice flows from the Columbia Glacier in the dark.

In my holster I had my hand cannon S&W .500 Magnum with a 4" barrel.

Tom Flynn

GCTom,
With that S&W 500 I think that the trick is you give it to the bear to shoot???

Sure way to kill it!!!!

I touched off a 444 Marlin in a T/C Contender with 6 inch bbl once. I did say once...right?

I will tell you,when I touched that off,I knew that the bull pooped in the buckwheat for sure!!!!!!!!!!

Wayne

Those cals. kill on both ends. 44 mag. is my limit, and that is more than I like.

Here are my .22 handguns
S&W model 41
Ruger Mark II
Beretta 87BB
S&W 617 10 shot
Ruger Single Six 22 LR and 22 Mag
Colt Diamondback

and not for sale

Peter

Peter, that is a nice collection, I have three of those plus a few more. My Ruger is a Mk.4, I bought it for my wife as she liked shooting it more than her nine because of the noise the 9 made.

I have the "slab" side Ruger....excellent shooter!!
My dad gave it to me many years ago
:-)Rocky

Nice Set!!!!

The Beretta caught my attention!

And Thanks Tom! Again, it is some beautiful country!

Pete,
Now those are my speed!!!

Yes,I have some heavy hitters,but it is far more enjoyable for me to just plink with those mild mannered calibers

Wayne

This is one I found when I decided to clean out the safe so I could see what I had. Some of these I haven't seen in 12 to 16 years. I took this one on trade at a gun show when you could still buy and sell without breaking any laws. I was surprised at the weight of this pistol, and the fit and finish. These are the wrong pics, I tried to delete them but don't know if it worked.

I SEE NOTHING!!!

:-)Rocky

Rocky, I deleted the pics because they were of the wrong gun. I will correct this soon. Here are the correct pics.

I was playing Sgt Schultz...
nice gun!!

:-)Rocky

No gun here, just a pocket knife that I haven't seen for years, a sweet little auto. W.H.

Sidney,

You are one great collector; there isn't anything you have shown that is not top notch!

Great collection of everything, knives, guns!!!

Tom Flynn

Thanks Tom.

Agreed Tom! This is a treat to see all the Specials!

I'm wondering just how big Sidney's safe is....a walk in???

:-)Rocky

Very nice Sidney. I agree with Rocky!
Walker

For Tom to say that,,,,

speaks VOLUMES!!!

Sidney,
What Tom said.

Ummm,can I have it??

Wayne

Rocky, It is not a walk in, although it is big. Weighs 1139lbs with nothing in it. It is 6ft. tall, and 4ft. wide with shelves, so I can cram a lot of stuff in there. Belgium Browning take-down 22. This is in the original shipping box from Canada, and the original Browning box, I don't know if this rifle has ever been put together. I never settled on one thing to collect so I have a little of a lot of things These pics came out as attachments instead of pics, and I did the same things I usually do when they come out as pics.

Here's one I've been saving. This Colt Official Police was at my grandmother's house when I was growing up. My granddad died at an early age and I didn't get to know him. He and his dad had a hardware store from 1914 until it burned in 1937. I always thought the Colt came from that store but was never sure. Last year I removed all doubt.

I forgot to point out, and it's hard to read on the letter, the Colt is caliber 32-20 Win. That's always intrigued me.

very cool!!!
I'm waiting on a letter from the "Cody" on my 21....providence is a wonderful thing!!!

:-)Rocky

Sidney....if you had my "safe" there's no tell'n what you could loose in it!!!
I built in into the foundation when I built the house years back

:-)Rocky

Rocky I would love to have something like that, I could fill to my hearts content. Tom that is so great about getting that letter. Has the cost for that gone up in the last few years? I know what it used to be.

Tom, that s awesome.
Rocky, that is a nice vault. "Safe room" too I guess for storms!
Walker

Walker,
that's how I sold it to my wife(at the time)
SAFE ROOM!!!
She's gone...guns/knives are in....sorry dear

:-)Rocky

Tom: That letter & the heritage it proves is awesome!

Rocky: Now that’s what you call a “Man Cave” for sure!

Coach,
It's approximately 8' deep...door to the facing wall, and near 14' long(right to left)...there's an offset to the left of the door(as facing)....10" walls, with a 4" ceiling, supported by a steel support liner(for the roof poor)....steel door has 3 Medeco dead bolts that can be operated on either side....there is an "out line" that goes to the septic tank, and a small 2" hole for electricity and what not...the cost was next to nothing when building the house...mainly the door and locks
It's not without fault, however it should keep the bandits working long enough for the Calvary to arrive!!!
I've got enough "stuff" in it to hole up for a few days, if necessary
wouldn't be fun...BUT I could do it
:-)Rocky

Rocky,
Sounds pretty much to me that you have all the bases pretty well covered!!

Anywhere near Moultrie? I quail hunt down there each year.
Wayne

Today the US Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit ruled that the second amendment right to keep and bear arms does not citizens include the right to carry a firearm, either openly or concealed, in public.

It's starting.

Pap

wayne...
I have to say no...family in Dawsonville...BUT that's it

:-)Rocky

Mike--

What else to expect out of that court?

Larry

Watch out. Call your senators and congressmen, especially if you live in a leftist area.

Tucker warns Biden admin is coming for your guns:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_WVsndvCcg

not sure this belongs here, however you do need a hand to use this gun....finally got off my ass, and got a Cody Letter for my 21....exciting!!

That's cool Rocky. Just about the same age as my Colt but a lot more valuable money-wise. The value of my Colt is that it was shipped to my Grandfather's store.

Very nice!!
Pap

Awesome, Rocky!!!

That is a real sweet gun!!Looks to be in great shape.
I
would really like to hear how it does for you.

Thanks guys...to be clear...it's been in the family for years, since the early 70's, when my dad took advantage of a friend of my grandfather...the fellow was simply trying to "unload" a Winchester shotgun...had no idea what he had...my dad was out of town, when grand pa called him about the deal...having a pretty good idea of what it was, my dad told grandpa to buy it....the deal went down....$100...my dad, not being a skeet shooter, never used it...I've shot 2 rounds of skeet with it...that's it for the past 50 years...I do not shoot a side by side very well...over and under guy...
from my recent readings, and occasional research, I came up on the Cody web site, and decided to inquire....from what I've found, it will add value, however I do not vision selling it...BUT my son may choose to....
thanks again for all the kind replies

:-)Rocky

Rocky that is really sweet. I always wanted one but didn't want to pay the price. I would never be lucky enough to get one for a 100.00

Rocky,
Being that you do not shoot SXS shotguns very well,I will be glad to take that Model 21 off your hands for $200. (this way you make 100% profit)

OK,so I guess no deal.

Super nice piece,I looked up some prices for Model 21s,certainly not for $100. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wayne

Sidney--

I wondered what effect inflation would have on the price of the shotgun. Looks like it would cost about $600 in today's money. Of course, that does not take into account the price from any price guide...it should be worth even more than $600 now.

Larry

Just my thoughts only, but I'd think you'd have to search long and hard to find a Model 21 Winchester for $600.00.

$2500.00-$5,000.00 range, I'd wager.
Nice Rocky,
Capt. Chris

Yep.

$600 would be a bargain price today.

Not so long ago I was talking to a man who had retired at 65, and started dealing in Parkers.

Approaching 90 at the time, he said he had made $1 million since retiring...he did not explain if that was his net or gross, maybe not so hard to gross that much if actively trading in them.

Larry

A Model 21 in 20 Ga. is my grail gun. Very nice!

Goodness!!!
Thanks again for the kind words...sorry Capt...not letting it go for $2,500
It's quite nice, and I have it in a display inside my locker....BUT....I'm also of the sort....use it, or loose it....what good is a gun you don't use...knife too...O.K...maybe one, or three....but to the point, how many do you want to look at, when you don't use them?? I think that's an interesting question....
A model 52 sporter....I took this gun into the woods as a kid many times!!! without my fathers permission, of course...it, also resides in my locker...

It wasn't an offer rocky. $2500-$5000 is the price range on a #21 of your quality and edition. Higher grades, i.e. gold inlays, etc....much much more!
Best, Capt. Chris

Nice to have those superb pieces but even nicer to take them out and use them.

In my opinion,something that is used and cared for properly has more value than something just sitting in storage.

Trust me on this,my first Model 1 that I got in '64 did not rest in my locker!!!!

Wayne

Capt...I was only joking...

:-)Rocky

Just blew any money that was available for blade!!!

:-)Rocky

Can always bring this to Blade and we can do a trade!
Booth 6!

now you're talking!!

:-)Rocky

Dirty Harry has got nothing on me!

I just scored this 8-3/8" S&W Model 629 yesterday from the local gun shop. I have been wanting a .44 magnum for hog hunting and couldn't pass this beast up:)

One of the best!

Tom Flynn

mic214,
That is superb!!! Do you handload for it?

My favorite 44 mag load is a 290 grain cast SWC over 17.5 grains of 2400.

Shoots real well in my Ruger Alaskan.

Wayne

A hog leg for hog hunting...couldn't resist.

Larry

Ha ha ha……so true!

I have only handloaded .44 special rounds for Cowboy Action shooting. They would be a little anemic for this beast! I will need to step up my game for when I take this hunting.

Next on my list is a holster to help balance off the 12-9 Bowie…

very nice!!
I got a pig with my Ruger Redhawk many years ago....down, around Savanah...tracked them with dogs in a swamp....HARD work...much younger...
I love the .44 special....it can be loaded to do about anything!!
I just picked up 1,000 pieces of .44 special brass from Starline...
:-)Rocky

Rocky,
I have two Charter Bulldogs in 44 spl. One I made somewhat like their latest Boomer model. 2 1/2 inch bbl,magna-ported and bobbed hammer. Did NOT cut away the front of the trigger guard like a Fitz Special though.

The other is a Heller Commemorative.

Elmer Keith saw the true value of the 44 spl. I still think it is a great cartridge.

Wayne

Wayne...there was a great article about the "Fitz Special" in Guns magazine!! the August 2021 issue....yep August 2021 issue...If I remember correctly, my dad had one...way back....didn't make it to my house..
anyway I do love the .44 special cartridge!!
I've got that Lew Horton, and a 5 shot stainless Smith that I cannot remember the model # of...and am too lazy to go down, and see....

:-)Rocky

From this article...it is obvious that gunsmiths over the years have duplicated Fitz's modifications.

And those duplicates probably should not be called Fitz Specials...after all, Fitz did nothing to those guns.

Larry

Jesus Larry...it's a very complimentary article, and I doubt any of the owners of the "modified" to look like a "Fitz Special" guns are concerned about what they are called...I seriously doubt that Fitz would care anyway...what ever state he's in today....

:-)Rocky

Rocky,
Yep,I saw that article. I have an acquaintance who inherited Col. Rex Applegate's Fitz Special. Classic piece.

A number of firearms notables have had Fitz Specials,one being Jelly Bryce formerly of Oklahoma City PD then the FBI.

Wayne

Rocky--

I know where you are coming from.

Just thinking, like Armand Swenson, for example, innovated several mod's to the 1911, but nobody who continues to make up guns using his mod's would ever think to call their products a "Swenson." Even his ambidextrous safety is not called a "Swenson safety."

I would have to go back to the Fitz article, but I suspect that such guns mod'd by subsequent gunsmiths do not carry their signatures...and if a buyer might somehow be led to believe they were buying an original done by Fitz they might not be able to confirm it...probably paying up because it is called a Fitz Special.

Larry

I love a commander size .45

nice!!!

:-)Rocky

Lookin' good Chief! Great scrim; crosscut dyed Mammoth on the grips too!

Tom Flynn

Chief,
Is that a Commander or Officer's Model???

I could be wrong but the bbl looks a bit short for a Commander.

But,like I said,I could be wrong.

Either way.......................super nice

Wayne

Chief...did you get those slabs from Gene??

:-)Rocky

Wayne school me barrel length on both, officer & commander.
These are 3 inch. One is a sig limited run for Lipsey's, the other is a colt defender.

Rocky no not from Gene

Thanks Tom, I have several in different exotic woods & even a set done in Tiger eye. Went a bit nuts for minute there.

Chief, I believe commander is 4.25 “ and officer is 3”.
Not trying to pick nit though. I thought the grip was shorter on the officer and the commander has the same as a gov’t model.
Those a fine looking weapons by the way!
Walker

Sweet never really new, thanks for the heads up.
I just wanted the shortest Barrell as I carry them in a upside down lower back holster.

Chief,
Yep,870 got it right.

Years ago,knifemaker,Bob Loveless made a "smoothy" out of Commanders. Basically rounded everything off to the point that the piece felt like a worn bar of soap.

Remember,the 1911 series are meant to be carried cocked and locked. More safeties are in place in that mode of carry.

Just the way John Browning designed it.

The design has been tried and true for 110+ years.

Wayne

Sweet thanks for the info guys!

Somewhere between 1911 and today the military opted for the "flap-over" holsters that required the hammer to be down.

Great example of government reducing safety under the guise of "safety."

Windsor,
If you think that the Gov't will take care of you,take a good look at how they care for the American Indian.

In 'Nam,somehow the top flap of the 1911 holster kinda got cut. Oh,and yeah,they were carried cocked and locked with one round in the chamber and 7 in the mag.

POS M-16s were pretty much sidelined for AK-47s that were "acquired".

Wayne

Chief and everyone,
Colt also did a series "Commanding Officer's Models" which had shorter barrel and full length receivers to accommodate standard mags. Many were mfg. in 38 Super as well, giving you more firepower!
Hope this helps: Look up Colt's "El General"...and (of course) "El Capitan" for examples...
S
Best, Capt. Chris

Capt,
You always come out with some more great information about "stuff"

I will look those up.

Wayne

If memory serves me correctly, the entire 1911 function was tweaked, to include "flared" muzzle ends on the barrels...(Belled, if you will). They came in bright blue, bright stainless and (perhaps) other finishes. Quite unique. The reasoning for the "El" denotations was on account of the propinquity of South American countries usage of 1911's "and" 38 super.
Hope this helps,
Stay Sharp, Capt. Chris

One of my most pleasant to carry 24-7, ALWAYS shoots everything I load, 13 (12+1) rounds of security for my family, all around me needing protection, AND myself, BOTH physically and mentally well provided for. This P-12 has provided all of these things since coming to live with me approximately 1993 or so.
A happy and well blessed Independence Day to all.

I can’t add one here under “HANDGUNS” without including the one that truly took my own hand loading to another level AND put me into the woods as a serious handgun hunter for the last 30+ years.
I’m certain that the reason that I purchased this particular S&W was directly related to my purchase of the Speer Reloader Manual, #12 and the pictures & story by Layne Simpson re: Alaska caribou (&/or moose) hunting. That and the 7 weeks too early birth of my first born daughter who arrived along with the knowledge that not only would I need to unpack the truck for my 4 week mobile camp, early bow & black powder season adventure. And instead plan to spend lots more time closer to home for the very premie first child adventure.
This particular S&W 629 has only fired my hand loads…..EVER. And the same 44 Mag load goes into my Marlin lever action, Ruger (first made) semiauto, Ruger Flat Top single six, and TC Contender. One of the many nice things about carrying both the lever action rifle and six gun in the late 1800’s (& now) was being able to load and carry the same caliber. Of course one can load different weight/powder rounds but “Why?”…… unless there’s good reason.

Top Dog, you are right about the Capt providing info! And so many others, too.
Thanks to all.
Walker

Walker,
Yep,the Capt. is THE man.
Scrolling up to Dukes lots of shots 1911 brought back memories when I tested the first ones for the magazine. Worked well back then and obviously still do.

My carry favorite is a Glock 36/45 acp (6+1) with ball amoo.

I used to use a Model 43 for Church security but then switched over to the 36 which is only slightly larger.

Just found out that the Pastor in my Church packs heat too,so I guess I am in good company.

Wayne

Top dog
I’m trying to get used to a 43 but the trigger seems a bit heavier than the g45 I carry. Been doing a bit of dry firing to try to break it in some more.
Walker

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/03/pistols.../#axzz6zkqZmZtE


Pap

Pappy, that’s a great article.
Thanks for posting.
Walker

870,
I am sure that all will work out fine and break in right.

Reading the above article about bear attacks brought back memories.

I have a book 4 Seconds Until Impact by Bruce "Buckshot" Demming.

Goes into great detail of all wild animal attacks. Guess that is kind of why I pack heat all the time.

Wayne

I traded an old gentleman Randall collector a couple of nice Randall knives for this Randall 1911 many years ago.

Nice catch TTB.
Walker

Good get!!!

Coach,
The Randall 1911s were super nice. If memory serves me correctly,they even made a lefty 1911.

So,are you going to shoot boolits through it or keep it in the safe.

Looks pretty much NIB to me

This month is a pretty sad month for me. On the 8th,five years ago my daughter passed away and on the 12th,7 years ago my wife passed away.

Wayne

Wayne
Will be praying for you today. God bless.


Pap

Big thoughts and prayers sent your way sir from Gail and I...

The Daugherty's send prayers and strength from above!!

Top dog, prayers are being sent up. Seems a little small when you look at a huge loss. Can not get the words I’m trying to say together.
Walker

Wayne,
I’m so very happy for you to have had the pure joy, friendship and love that l feel certain you shared in relationships with those two women. And I’m saying prayers for you as you keep coping with the sadness of having lost each,….now.
Blessings your way, brother.

870 & Duke,
Thank you very much for your thoughts and prayers.

The Good Lord never said life would be easy.

Now to get back to the theme of this thread.

Usually I pack a Glock 36 but during the summer months I tend to go towards a Ruger LCP (original model). Seems to pretty much vanish in the supplied pocket holster..

Wayne

Ooops,
I looked back a page on this site and saw that Pappy and Scott sent thoughts and prayers. Thank you.

Scott,
Always special thought for Gail. She stands up to me and lets me have it!!!!!!!!!!! Superb young lady.

Wayne

Wayne,
My sincere thoughts and prayers.

Tony

Tony,
Thank you.

I found a new Church that welcomes me and my "security".

They even set aside for me so I may observe and detect any potential problems.

Wayne

And that’s how we do things, sports fans! Well done Top Dog.
Walker

870,
Thank you,I try to do my best,but it seems that I always get into trouble..............................somehow!!!!!

In fact,this time two years ago,the hospital I was in had me listed as....deceased. Obviously they got that wrong.

That is why I don't go to the VA,I don't want a second chance to die for my country.

Wayne

Top dog, that is understandable for sure.
Take care.
Walker

Handguns. S&W 686.
Taking this one to the next gun show in the original box. The only thing that's not original is the Mag-Na-Port. Does that help or hurt the value? Btw, it's never been fired since I received it about 30 years ago.

That's a very nice revolver you have there. If we were in same state I'd buy it from you. I have one very similar. Mine is a 629 and has the quad magnaport. True collectors say it detracts from the value since it's not original, but for a shooting range/woods carry/concealed carry, it doesn't effect value. You'll just have to find someone who appreciates it to get top value!

Very nice indeed. You should get plenty of interest. I have a 1999 Lew Horton 625-7. Bought faux Ivory grips for it so the original Rosewood doesn't get dinged.

Tom,
My suggestion is DON'T SELL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That looks like one of those pieces that when you sell it,you wish you hadn"t.

Looks like it wants to be fired.............lots.

Wayne

Top dog for the win. Keep it and enjoy it.
Walker

I have one very similar but with two ports. If I remember correctly it was a Lew Horton Special. Shooting full power .44 mag feels like shooting .44 special.

I had a 29-4 with Magnaport and it did cut down on the recoil, but not the noise. Shooting with muffs at a range is one thing, but in the woods taking a pot shot, you'll be deaf for a week. I can't imagine how loud the 460 and 500's are.

Pap

I have never been a fan of "any kind" of porting. The noise far outweighs the "comfort factor" achieved and, for me anyway, kills the resale.
I have a 3 inch S&W 686.."7" shot and I love to shoot it. No real recoil for my hands anyway.
Best, Capt. Chris
PS My "Hill Country" came with a screw-on muzzle break. The day I got it, I sent it down to riflesmith, Bruce Dow, and had a screw on muzzle "protector" made. Worked to:
A) Protect the exposed threads
B) Allow you to set the rifle "on" the muzzle with no wear or impact
of group
C) Get rid of the damned muzzle break!
CCS

Capt,
Like anything,there are pros and cons for porting.

I have several pieces ported but as for muzzldebrakes,forget it.

Maybe they make be good for the shooter but for others to the left and right on the firing line.......not good at all.

At our outdoor range,we put those with muzzle brakes....way down the end.

Wayne

You have to have range time with any weapon but range time is not the reason for porting.

Tom,
That was well put.

Some of the North American Arms mini revolver models are ported.

I see no real reason for that.

Wayne

Ports on the handguns and calibers that I’ve made the decisions to have MAG-na-port
(outstanding product) add their ports on, or TC barellels ordered with ports included have performed wonderfully for me for 25+ years. The 45-70, 44 Mags, and .309 JDJ are possible to shoot comfortably as MY “felt recoil” is so substantially reduced. I truly don’t care about muzzle blast to the sides at the range as I’ve always gone to the furthest shooting station anyway and quit going to any public range over 6 yrs. ago when the durn knuckleheads beside me fired a 30-30 round in the dirt 2 feet from my leg. I go only at dawn now….and I’ve tried. Worst stupid PTSD I still deal with, BUT who cares?
Anyway, the mag-na-ports I have do great at what they’re supposed to do

Duke,
Nice T/C stuff. I have a Contender with a 14 inch 22 lr bull bbl.

From a rest,easily shoots 1/2 inch groups at 50 yds.

Wayne

Duke
Those are nice looking for sure.
Walker

Nice set of weapons!

I'm like you. I don't like to shoot around ANYBODY else.

I have my own range out here on my place.

Coach,
If I am not mistaken,seems that Texas is a range!!! If you don't have one of your own,there is one close by.

My outdoor range is just 6 miles from my house. Trap,rifle,shotgun,handgun areas. Behind the moutain/backstop is 349 acres open for hunting. Probably the best kept secret in the state.

I have hunted there for 50+ years and only have seen 6 other hunters during that time.

About 4 years ago,a bowhunter harvested a 305 LB white tailed Buck there! Haul that out of the woods and it is uphill both ways!!

Wayne

Wayne:

I have a place on my pond dam where I can take a folding table and set up. I have a target stand set up at 50 yards, 100 yards, 150 yards, and 200 yards.

All is shooting downhill.

I can also set up my skeet slinger from the top of the dam to shoot my shot guns.

When the weather gets below 100, I’ll take some pictures.

Coach

Coach
Hot Louisiana summers makes me think about the old timers without any electricity not to mention AC. The Dog Trot home design comes to mind. Interesting concept and it works.

Pap

All of the houses around here were “Dog Trot” type houses. Most have closed them up now since they have AC.

When I was a kid and used to stay with my Grandmother during the Summer, I would sleep in the Dog Trot. She got electricity during the 50s. She had an attic fan in the Dog Trot. She had doors on both ends of the Dog Trot.

At night, she would close one off and turn the the attic fan on. The attic fan would pull a hard breeze from under the huge Pecan trees just a few feet South of her house.

Even during the HOT Summertime, you would be reaching for a quilt during the night.

I did some hard sleeping in that Dog Trot listening to the katydids that were outside in those Pecan trees.

Those attic fans had some kind of power, for sure.

Pap

Yes sir! They would move some air.
Walker

Back on track:
Here's a couple of my favorites. A Browning "Medalist" from 1973. A S&W Model @41, long slide and my Pachmayer 45 ACP.
Best, Capt. Chris

Capt. Chris--

A Swensonized .45ACP!

All it is missing is the hand matted slide and the squared and checkered trigger guard.

Larry

Love that Medalist!!

Pap

Capt,
I have not seen many Model 41 long slides.

It always seemed to me that the Model 41 was pretty much the best of the S&W line up.

Wayne

No doubt one of the best. This one doesn't "suck" either!
Best, Capt. Chris

what's not to love about a 52!!
or a 41!!
:-)Rocky

Rocky,
The Model 52 had X ring accuracy right out of the box.

No need to send it off somewhere to get accurized.

In fact,after may rounds,the groups seemed to tighten a bit.

Wayne

Wayne....anybody building anything like that today...do they even shot those matches anymore??

:-)Rocky
dear God...all the targets I "pasted" as a kid!!

Rocky,

Back in the 60s and 70s there were local NMC matches each Thursday evening,but those pretty much fizzled out now.
Now mostly it is PPC type contests.

My old range box that I used for the NMC matches is empty. Used to have two Jim Clark accuracy jobs but they basically languish in the vault.

Wayne

Rocky,
I want your 52!
Nice, Capt. Chris
PS: Colt Gold Cup National Match is 38 MRWC shoots straight also...CCS

lets trade....
ha ha
:-)Rocky

Call me, dude!
CCS

I picked up a couple of pocket pistols recently. The first one is a “No-lock” S&W 442 “Airweight”:



The second one is an older S&W 649. I had a blued one of these back when I was a rookie cop in the 70’s, but sold it off for something I desperately needed, although I don’t remember what!

nice!!
one for each front pocket!!
I've never sold/traded a gun and felt good about it a few years later...I say a few years, as many times we have to do what we have to do...even if it doesn't make any since today!!

:-)Rocky

Mic214,

Super nice classics. I had heard tales of S&W locks locking up but do not know if it really had happened.

I prefer the non-lock models so you don't have the nagging thought about the thing locking up.....always at the worst time.

Wayne

Wayne,
Locks did lock up.Mostly keys got lost.If I had a dollar for every
customer that came in the store asking me to unlock a S&W I'd be
well off.

Mick,
Beyond all doubts, the S&W 649 is my favorite 2" snubby! Carried one in my tackle box for decades. That and a Model #650.
Nice one you have there,
Capt. Chris

Thanks Capt.!

I was originally looking for the newer airweight Bodyguard, but failing to find one at a decent price, I grabbed the Model 442. Then, as what usually happens, I found the 649 on another forum, so I scooped it up.

I may pocket carry one and ankle carry the other as a “NY Reload”!

mic214,
That sounds like a good plan to me.

A snubby is one of those pieces that never wants to die.

I know at my department during qualifications,officers would use their "lots of shots" but at day's end,what goes with them....yep.a nice snubby.

I don't know of a fisherman down south that does NOT have a snubby in his tacklebox,pocket or vest.

Wayne

Actually Wayne, in this part of the South, it’s “tacklebox, pocket AND vest.” In our world today,(yesterday & tomorrow) there’s just something comforting about the little revolver.

Duke,
I agree with you. I have several Charter snubbies but,don't laugh,the most carried piece is a North American Arms Black Widow in 22 mag.
A 22 mag mini was always in my had when I would be "interviewing" an unsavory character in a dark alley on the job.

Is it equal to your 38 snubbies? Of course not,but it would afford me the time to get to the bigger piece.

Every motor vehicle stop,I had it in the palm of my hand. Everything checks out OK? Then it is slid in behind the belt buckle.

I do "Jelly Bryce Drills" with it. Playing card size target at 6 feet. Unload all 5 rounds as fast as possible.

6 feet? Yep,that's the average combat distance.

Probably snake distance too???

Wayne

A few more of my S&W’s….Two Model 15’s (2” & 4”) and a 6” Model 28 “Highway Patrolman”.

I actually carried a similar 6” Model 28 when I first became a LEO back in the 70’s and worked for a city PD. I later switched to a 4” as it was a little easier to carry. In the early 80’s when I transferred over to the Sheriff’s Office, we were issued the 4” Model 15.

Mic,
Nice trio of S&Ws there!!

There is something comforting about a revolver.

Yep,I admit it,I am an old fart and proud of it.

Wayne

Wayne,
I feel and hear ya'! This one's popped a couple of pigs and one whitetail doe. So...What's different.
* S&W #686
* Stainless
* Red-ramp/White outlines
* 3 inch / full underlug
* Cocobola grips
* 357 Magnum
Happy Hunting,
Capt. Chris

seven shot instead of six

I think you can get an eight shot in a N frame too

Peter

nice gun Cap

That’s a sweet looking pistol, Capt.!

Yep:
One more...just in case.
Best, Capt. Chris

Capt.--

Before you opened it up, I thought you were referring to the grip screw coming in from the right side instead of the left. That is also different. (But not noteworthy with regard to function.)

Larry

Capt,
When I got orders in '64 to go to 'Nam,superimposed across the orders were NO PRIVATELY OWNED FIREARMS ALLOWED IN RVN/SEA.

Yep,I packed my Model 27 that I had S&W cut the bbl back to 4 inches. There were more privately owned weapons on that plane then in probably all of RVN!!!

A couple of years later,S&W offered a 2 1/2 version of the Model 19 which I was able to acquire.

Ralph Friedman,who is the most decorated detective in NYPD and has been in a number of fatal gunfights,still swears by a Detective Special.

Right now,in my pocket is a North American Black Widow in 22 mag. I do not feel undergunned.

Keith,Jordan,Skelton amongst many others all preferred wheelguns. Me too.

Wayne

I’m looking for a .44 mag. 4” or less barrel.

S&W 629
Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan
Colt Anaconda

Any thoughts or opinions?

Thanks!

Coach,
May I suggest the Ruger Alaskan in 44 mag??

I have one and it is superb. My bear buster loads consist of a 290 gr lead swc bullet over 18 gr of 2400.

Recoil is there but not bad as the grips are hand filling.

Typical of all Rugers,built like a tank and well made.

Also a Diamond D leather chest rig is a nice holster combination for it.

Wayne

Wayne

Wayne:

That’s the one I’m leaning toward right now.

The lock issues on the 629 bothers me. And, I can’t get less than 6” on the Colt barrel.

I have 2 Alaskans near me. $1250 + tax on a brand new one and $900 cash for a used one.

I’m gonna keep looking another week or so.

Coach

I went from the .44 mag to a 10mm Glock 20SF for a number of reasons. First, the noise and recoil, and only 5 or 6 rounds, not to mention the time to re sight after a shot. My first S&W 29 was a 4" that was MagnaPorted. Shot great, and at the range with ear muffs, very reasonable, but in the woods, without ear muffs, I was deaf after one shot. I got to where if I shot it without muffs or ear plugs, I put my left hand trigger finger in my right ear. Don't get me wrong, I still love and have some wheel guns, including my 627 Performance.357, and a couple of Model 10's, a 22lr and a 22Mag. But my go to woods pistol is my Glock Model 20SF 10mm, 15+1 ,and a Diamond D Guide Chest holster with extra mag. Way less recoil, way less recovery, way less muzzle blast, and way more fire power. To each their own, but for big fire power and overall pleasant shooting, my choice is the Glock 10mm.


Pap

Coach,
If you get the used Ruger Alaskan,it is still covered by the excellent factory warranty.

Diamond-D leather pretty much has a wait for their holsters and if you want,I can send you my Diamond D rig for your Alaskan to use until you get one.

If you lived close by,I would let you try out my Alaskan.

Wayne

Thanks Pap. Good points!

But I've got my reasons for wanting a .44 Mag.

Road trip, Coach!

Both were GONE before I got home today. Oh well, I’ll keep looking!

Thanks for the offer, Wayne! Let me find the weapon first.

Coach,
I have said before and will say it again.............you wait............you lose.

Hope you find an Alaskan soon. Try Davidsons they may have a few for you. There is a huge distributor in Louisiana,I forget the name and they are a large Ruger distributor.

When you get it,let me know and I will send you the Diamond D rig to use until you get yours.

Wayne

I found one. It will be here Monday.

Now, if I can just find some ammo! That may be harder to find.

Wayne,

My FFL has a Diamond D chest holster for an Alaskan. I told him to hold it for me til Monday. He said that he has had it for a couple of years.

Coach

Coach,
Glad to hear that all is working out OK.

Now for the ammo,do you reload??? If not,maybe you should start.

I haven't used factory ammo since 1958.

Wayne

Wayne:

I reloaded for years back in the 70s,80s, and early 90s. Had a killer load for 30.06. Also had a killer 12 ga. for quail and another for ducks. Had a couple fine 20 ga. loads for squirrels and doves.

During one of our many coaching moves, and with 4 little kids running around the house, my Bride appealed to me to get rid of all of the gunpowder. I obliged her with the intent of getting back into it at a later date with an upgraded system.

I just haven’t done it yet. You are right. I need to look into it.

Coach

Coach,
I hope that you can get back into that game soon.

Years ago,I used to have my grand daughters (now in their late 40s) help in the shop.

One could crank out 300+ rounds an hour out my Dillion Square Deal B.

Wayne

Wayne:

You right!

By the way, I picked up my Alaskan today.

Coach

Coach,
That's great,now let us hear how a range session goes.

If you were not able to obtain an Alaskan in your area,I would have sold you mine (far less price) and did a dealer transfer for you.

You will find that recoil is not bad at all with those hand filling grips.

Wayne

I got my new Ruger Alaskan in .44 Magnum on Tuesday and some ammo on Friday.

I put 6 through it on Saturday. It is certainly different from a .357 and/or .45 acp, although the recoil is manageable.

LOUD doesn’t even begin to describe the report as I had all my “neighbors” texting and wanting to know what in the hell was I shooting?

Keep in mind, my “neighbors” are all 3/4 mile to 1 1/2 miles away.

I was shooting 240 grain factory Winchester. I feel like it would definitely take down a big hog that I might surprise at close range.

Coach, I believe it will do the job on a hog for sure. I’m sure we will see a small pig on the smoker soon!
Walker

Coach--

On a Tennessee boar hunt some years ago, my friend insisted on hunting with a .41 Magnum. (I don't know if it is still going on, but there was a bit of side-taking re: .41 versus .44 at the time, and my friend had made his choice.)

He shot a hog from the side at close range, but it started to run away until the guide shot it with his rifle.

I suspect that ammo is much improved by now, but think that his shot placement is what failed to drop it.

Larry

Them boars are tougher in Tennessee!

Larry,
Years ago,I knew of one Secret Service Agent that packed two S&W Model 58s to protect the President.

That was then,probably different now.

And yes,the argument still goes on about the 44 vs 41 as well as 9mm vs 45acp.

Probably around some deer camp fires the argument still goes on about the 30-30 vs the 32 Winchester Special.

Wayne

I agree, the Alaskan is pretty comfortable for me to shoot. I’ve had all sorts of big bores up to the .454 Casull in a Freedom Arms 83. The .454 in a 6” is a real heavy hitter on both ends.

I can’t handle heavy recoil anymore and wouldn’t feel undergunnned by any means with a .44 Magnum with good hard cast loads. A 310 grain hard cast at 1100 fps will punch a hole through both sides of a big boar.

Top dog, I’m sure that talk will never end!
Walker

Shoot,

That basically is what campfires are for...discussion for the sake of................discussion.

JB,
Yep,I like the heavy bruisers too but now being that old age has started to show its ugly head,I seem more content to do my range sessions with 22s and my high end air rifles.

And yes,every so often,I break out the heavy stuff just to let me know that I am alive......and take it!!!!

Wayne

It is about to be campfire weather here.

Coach,
It is amazing how many problems are discussed and solved over the campfire.

Seems to be the tradition spans back many centuries.

Tensions eased and relaxed and problems solved.

Wayne

Wayne:

You right!!!!

And then, there are times when I like to sit out there by myself.

Or,, with my dogs!

Coach

Coach,
Sitting out alone with the dogs helps you "contemplate" things much better. Plus,the dogs seem to provide better answers...........

There isn't a dog that I have not liked....but as for humans the less said the better.

Also,I have never met a dumb dog but again...as for humans.

Just look at the news (I don't).

My dogs were never trained hunting dogs,they were my companions in field & stream.

They could spot game long before me. I just watched their body language and followed their lead.

Wayne

I'm not too sure about dumb dog statement...
My brother had a Gordan Setter....it was, with out a doubt, the stupidest thing I ever encountered in my life...at the lake...I cannot remember how many times that dog fell off the dock....just walking around...knocked over the grill at hunting camp...with food in it...it was just plain stupid!!

:-)Rocky

My two are 100lb. Bloodhounds.

They both like to get up into my lap at the same time which knocks me over and then they both want to snuggle up to me and lick me til I'm about to drown.

After 15-20 minutes, they settle down and are content to sit there with my arms around each.

They look right at me when I talk and I'm sure that there are some words they definitely understand like: treat, Mama, kitty, sic 'em, and come here.

My Mother, God rest her soul, had a Chinese Pug that truly didn't know sit from chit. But a true vacuum machine with anlything resembling food.

Pap

another story...Pug story
friends up to the lake....Pug falls into the lake....swims towards the bottom....no sh-t....the owner of the pooch had to dive in, and collect him from going even deeper....

:-)Rocky

No doubt about it. Each dog has it's very own unique "character" but regardless,you cannot help but love them.

Now,for you dog owners,here is the dog part dictionary that even Vets don't even know;
Mouth Tatey Trap
teeth Toofy Pegs
Front Paws Patty Whackers
Rear Paws Dammy Pats
All 4 Paws Bottsolas
Rear End Popohine

Run those by your Vet and see what happens....better yet..Don't.

Our dog,Luvvy,was listed as a hero dog,saved my life twice and my wife's three times.

I guess this thread pretty well got off the main track.

Wayne

Getting back on track on this thread.

Went to the range yesterday and did some "snake Repel Drills' with the Bond Derringer in 410/3 inch.

Trust me on this,touch off a 3 inch in the Bond,you know that the bull pooped in the buckwheat for sure!!!

It isn't really that bad being the the grip has the recoil going into the palm of the hand and not the web.

Wayne

I made a few "custom" loads for mine a while back....as I recall there was a 00 buck, some #2 buck, and some #4....I think...something like that...I recall that the 00 buck was just about perfect fit inside the wad
never shot any...probably wouldn't be fun...BUT not intended to be fun
I'll get someone else to shoot it before me...someone that I don't particularly care for...

:-)Rocky

I shoot remington 3” extra long range #4 shot at least a couple times a week while the Moccasins are out.

I use my Bond Arms Texan with a 6 “ barrel.

I try not to have to use that 2 shot if I don’t have to for reason already stated.

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Glock 20SF 10mm. He waited a lot longer than I would have.

Pappy,

YIPES!!!!

Coach,

I have heard that the water moccasins are quite aggressive. One man down in GA was bitten on his pinky by one and it was six days in the hospital to the tune of $300,000.

I wear snake gaitors while on the quail hunt but it seems that my eyes are more focused on the ground where I am stepping then on the covey about to flush.

Rule down there is to NEVER step over a fallen log before checking what's on the other side first.

In my Bond,the 410 3 inch shells I use # 7 1/2 shot maybe I should switch to #6??

Wayne

Wayne:

I use #4 shot because some of our Moccasins are so big. #6 would probably be fine but I like how the #4s kill ‘em dead on the first shot.

You might have to take what you can get however, since I ordered 2 boxes of #4s from optic planet on April 30, and they are due to be shipped out on October 22.

Coach

Coach,
I have a supply of #6s besides #7.5 so I will take your wise advise and switch to #6s.
Most snake defense distances are probably 5 feet or so.

My first "encounter" was "contact" and basically a dry bite.

None the less,a 1 and 1/2 hour stay at the hospital was $5,000.

Guess who now wears snake gaitors?

I have some #4 2 1/2 inch 410s (I think) want me to check and send them to you?? PM me.

Wayne

PM sent.

OK,it is now official.................22 mag snake shot does not work worth two poops against snakes.

I just came back from a GA snake hunt and on the first day out,I decided to travel light with my 22 Mag Black Widow. First 3 chambers with snake shot then two HP rounds.

A very close encounter with a 3 foot Buzzworm (rattlesnake). I shot it with the snake shot nothing.then a lucky head shot with the HP round did the trick.

Then I started to pack the 410 3 inch Bond but,of course,then no more encounters.

Wayne

interesting....ever pattern a .22 with snake shot?? I certainly haven't..
Disappointing BUT good to know
guess were about the only 2 left on this site....

:-)Rocky

I think there are a lot more readers than writers.
When the Forums needed a little cash, a lot of people sent money to keep the Forums alive.

You got to be within 2 ft with .22 snakeshot.
.357 snakeshot will go about 8-10 ft.

Bond Arms Texan loaded with 3” #4 will be 100% at 20+ feet!

Welcome back, Wayne.

Coach,
Great to be back......in one piece.

I was about 3 feet from the snake with the 22 mag snake shot. I really did not want to get closer being it already had struck out (but did not bite) one dog.

Then I got between the dog and the snake (like I said,no comments),and started the show.

Wayne

I lurk a bit.

I have some beauties coming in soon that will be photographed and posted in the appropriate forums.

I have a S&W 22 mag Airlite PD and have some bird shot but haven't shot anything yet. I also have a couple of cases if 22 bird shot,rat shot, if I ever use it. Still have my Bond .410 as well.

Pap

No love lost on rattlesnake at all. Glad you took care of business with the hollow points!
Walker

The HP round hit was lucky considering all the popcorn that was hitting the fan at the time.

While quail hunting my eyes are on the ground mostly looking out for the buzzworms. Being bitten once........was enough.

Trouble is that Mother Nature has them camoflaged so well you pretty much are on them before you see them.

Wayne

Wayne
You need a set of Filson gaters, then no more worries about buzz tails.

Pap

Pappy,
I do wear snake gaiters but still am quite wary.

That S&W Model 351PD of yours,I consider that a total classic.

Ever contact S&W to see if they could fit a 22LR cylder to it als well.

I have a Charter 22 snubby that has both the 22lr and 22 mag cylinder.

What rig do you carry it in???

Wayne

I had a custom holster done by my leather artist, Tom Angle from Jordan Valley, Oregon. It's pig skin lined and nicely tooled. I haven't contacted S&W regarding a 22lr cylinder, mainly because I have 3 other 22's including an older 22 Airweight titanium that I keep in my golf cart.

When I worked in west Texas, I wore Chippewa tall snake boots, still have them, size 12 if anyone wants them.

Pap

Pappy,
Wow! That is a super nice rig.

Gun in golf cart??? You shoot the golf balls with it???

I wear size 12 but my right foot is deformed from sharko foot.

Even Whites boots could not make a boot for me.

Wayne

Wayne--

Your posts are interesting...make me ask how the dogs do around the snakes?

A friend once told me his dad captured snakes, put them in a pen, worked the dogs to get them downwind where they would get the scent, then shock them.

Supposed to have them averse to snakes. Of course not all snakes would be upwind from a dog that was hunting,

Larry

Wayne
Our golf course is very close to where we live and hunt. The #12 T box is a 2 minute drive from our house. Bears, mountain lions, wolves and coyotes hang out along with the elk and deer. Plus on #16 par 3, I had my grandson with me and 2 big Dobermans came running towards us. The lady homeowner came out and said not to be afraid, and I pull my 22 out and said we're not afraid, but if your dogs come one foot closer, I'll kill both of them. Fortunately, she was able to get her dogs back into their home. It's like they say, if you have it and don't need it, that's better than needing it and not having it. After all, I live in the wild west. Lol.

Pap

Pappy,
I agree with you and thank you for packing heat. Shows that you have a positive/preventive attitude.

Larry,
I have heard of some dogs being "snake trained" to avoid contact.

And now,they are talking about putting the prongs of the shock collars on the snake bite area to eliminate the venom.

I would rather spend the $$$ with the vet as I think that this is an iffy procedure.

Best action,of course is no bite.

And yes,around me,things do "occur"

Wayne

Top dog
I like how you mention that things “occur” around you!
Well stated.
Walker

My two dogs can smell moccasins across the yard. They avoid them at all costs. They refuse to go in high grass & weeds any more.

I can always tell if a moccasin has been somewhere on the trail by the way my dogs act.

When Ricky was about 6 months old, a moccasin struck at him but did not connect. He bristled up like I've never seen him do before. He has avoided them ever since.

When we killed that alligator last Summer, neither dog would come near it.

I'm glad that I'm not the only one that has things "occur" around them.
I believe that using the shock collar prongs to help snake bites stems from a few years back when somebody said that they used a stun gun on a snake bite and it "worked". I believe that it was later proven not to have worked. Not a good time to experiment with something that "might" work.
So glad to live where there's nothing like that here.

Copperheads have a distinctive smell, too.

Humans can pick that up under certain circumstances.

Rob,
If I am close enough to smell them,then it is waaaay too close!!!

Gosh Coach!!!!!!

Seems like you have a lot of interesting critters in your neck of the woods.

Sure you don't want to borrow my Mossberg 12 ga Shock-Wave for a bit???

Wayne

Wayne,

I sure do have some interesting critters. Some, we hear at night and don't know what they are.

But rest assured that I am armed for anything that might be around here. 4 legged or 2 legged.

Coach

Coach,
I kind of figured that for sure.

A lot of coyote activity here,a number of posters on the phone poles about missing Fidos and Fluffies.

Sure sign of activity.

A nice lightweight snubby in pocket at all times is a comfort.

Wayne

Wayne:

The other night, the coyotes were yipping out behind the barn and Ricky was late coming in for Supper.

I called for him and he came trotting towards the porch with a possum in his mouth and 3 coyotes following him. He put the possum down when I poured his dog food but the coyotes stayed out in the shadows.

I tied him up for the night and came back in about 15 min to check on him. The possum was gone.

Ricky and the coyotes kinda know each other and I have some video of them playing chase together out in the yard.

Ol' Rusty would not play with them. He killed them. He probably weighed 130-140 lbs and was a lot more aggressive.

Coach

Coach,
That sounds interesting. I think the 'yote prefer smaller prey. Typical of any predator,they choose the easy target.

I don't know which is worse,the two legged or four legged predator.

The four legged ones I pretty much can judge,the two legged ones are far more unpredictable.

Wayne

back to the thred...hand guns???

:-)Rocky

Rocky,
380?? Looks super nice. Judging from the box mid 60s?? Probably earlier as that model could not be imported after the GCA of '68 went into effect.

Sorry about drifting off thread but when you get to be OLD like me,you never can tell where we wind up!!!!

Wayne

Wayne....I'm not the thread police...I just like seeing, and chatting about hand guns....shoot....any gun for that matter....It's an oldie for sure, came from my dad...I expect early 60's...I've not done much research on it, just thought it would get the track back....something to look at...that's all
Oh....9mm kurz....aka .380

:-)Rocky

Rocky--

Maybe tell us the story about how it was lifted off 007?

I recall that Fleming said that the PPK was a "powerful" handgun.

And wonder if he sipped his tea with his pinkie lifted.

Nice collectible package.

Larry

Rocky,
I was wondering if the markings on the slide were 380 acp or 9mm Kurz.

Larry,
If I am not mistaken,I think 007's PPK was in 32 acp which certainly was very powerful.......................NOT!

Wayne

Here yah go!!

:-)Rocky

Nice Walther for sure!!!

Long time since I read those novels!

Looking online, they say 007 carried a Beretta 418 in .25ACP at first.

Then a friend of Flemings wrote to him that 007 needed to be up-gunned to a Walther in .32ACP!

Not much of an up-gunning. But heck, everyone shot with either gun fell dead in their tracks! Maybe he only made head shots?

Only in the movies did 007 get outfitted with a more sufficient caliber, and in the most recent movie you would not believe the mayhem from sophisticated firearms. Bad guys still fall immediately, like before.

Larry

Go Big....U.S.A. Dirty Harry...44 mag...make my day!

Bob,
You haven't lived until you touched off a 444 Marlin in a 6 inch Thompson Contender!!!

I would say that it is pretty much......."a religious experience"

It only hurts....once.

Wayne

Wayne, Is "It only hurts once" because you will only shoot it once and put it down? Nice ppk by the way. I have a beater ppks in .380 I can't say what the marlin is like but as I get older I don't enjoy the heavy recoil much anymore

My EDC .32 Seacamp....even it is no fun shooting...too small to grip!!!

:-)Rocky

Wayne
Never shot a 444, but I did shoot my friends S&W 500. Thought I would have to visit the dentist the next day to reglue my loose fillings!!
I wouldn’t say it was a religious experience but I did say a few words than pertained to religion.

I shot the T/C for a magazine article way back when. Shots for the magazine were basically dry fire then for poops and giggles I decided ti fire one live round.

Yep,that was the first and last 444 Marlin I fired out of that T/C.

But........some years later,I got a 444 Marlin 16 inch bbl for my T/C and had a shoulder stock on it. Big difference. Recoil was somewhat there but not really that bad.

I don't even want to know about what a 500 S&W would be like.

I guess the trick is to get the bear to shoot it?????

Yet,I have no real problem with shooting my Ruger Alaskan 44 Mag but now that I am (quite) old,pretty much prefer the milder calibers.

Wayne

Here are a couple doe I got with my 500 Magnum last winter. Was only planning on getting one, but the 2nd one ran a loop and ended up right back in front of me, so I dropped her too.

Nate-Dogg

That's pretty nice. I see that you tagged your harvest right away which is required but some folks seem to forget.

Nice you harvested some doe. A lot of folks look for the big antlers but I have yet to eat any antlers.

Maybe Pappy knows how to cook them up????? Looks like you would get every feet per second out of that long bbl

Wayne

Factory loads or handloads????

I keep tenderloins and backstraps for rare steaks on the grill, and burger the rest with 30% beef fat. I sometimes pound the backstrap steaks and chicken fry them.

Pap

Yes we try to take twice as many doe as we do bucks to keep population in check. Factory loads. Barnes solid copper hollow points. 100% weight retention.

Pappy,
What?? No antler stew??

Nate Dogg

In my state,if you take a doe to the weigh station you get another tag until you come in with a buck then that is it.

Good to keep the population in check.

Wayne

Our first tag is good for buck or doe and can get up to 5 more doe after the buck tag.

Nate-dogg,
That is very good. I hope you always keep the freezer filled.

I juat got back in from going to my old PD to do my annual qualification for my national carry permit.
I was so scared,not really,I designed the course!!!

Now I am in a bit of a quandry,maybe the folks on this forum can help.

I used my Glock 43 to qualify,no sweat 100% (been doing that since ;68) but now for Church security every Sunday I use my Charter Snubbies. A Three inch in my "bible Bag" and a 2 inch on my ankle.

But I am now looking at my G-43. I use the three inch snubby as my trail gun while squirrel hunting,not for squirrels,of course,butr in case an ever present coyote shows up.

Any advice/opinions??? Pappy,I know you have something to
say!! (hoping?)

Wayne

Get the G43-X, it comes with better sights, better trigger and slightly longer slide than a regular 43. I have a regular 43 , but I hopped it up. The X pretty much comes good to go. Of course when I'm in the woods or hunting, I pack my G-20SF in 10mm, in a chest holster with extra mag.

Pap

Pappy,
If I am not mistaken, the G-20 has a 15 round magazine???

Aught to take care of most any problem in your neck of the woods.

The 3 inch Charter snubby in 38 spl pretty much is up to task for anything that may crop up here.

The chest rig,is it a Diamond -D?? I have one for my Ruger Alaskan.

Wayne

Yes the 20 has a 15 round mag, so 15+1 with one in the chamber. And yes, a Diamond D Guide Chest holster.


Pap

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Here's a nice chest holster rig from my leather artist friend Tom Able. I had already bought my Diamond D before I met Tom, otherwise, I would have had him make me one.

Pap

Pappy,
Both are super nice rigs.

Seems that with the chest style rig,the piece is never in the way and you hardly know it is there.

I decided on my Church/security outfit. Glock 43 with two reloads in the Bible bag and the lightweight snubby in the ankle rig.
The 3 inch does nightstand duty and field gun duty.

Wayne

Can't go wrong with that combo. I would suggest some upgrades from The Glock Store.

Pap

Pap,
So far,my G-43 right out of the box seems to be pretty good.

Beauty of the Glocks is that they are good to go right away.

I try to stay away from "upgrades" on any SD piece because if it is used in a SD situation,it may have some issues in trial.

That is why many PDs keep their weapons stock.

Wayne

Going back a little but the hunting seasons rolling right along here. In the early black powder season and this Saturday is opening day for the high power firearms. Re: felt recoil…..I still really enjoy my TC handguns (& carbine) as well as the S&W 629 & Ruger 6gun…..calibers in 44Mag, 45-70, 309JDJ & 300Whisper. I’ve hunted with these from 10-34 years now BUT do not abuse my hands shooting’em for hours on the range. Once I know the zero is still good at 250 yards, so that anything under is good too, I’m good to go. It’s just so great carrying these on the slow “walk-stalk” hunts in these VA mountains. I still hope to recover a bullet some day but don’t expect to anymore as any shot that I take has always been
“thru-&-thru”….don’t do Texas heart shots.
I’ve always handloaded everything they shoot, so here’s a couple pics of the 45-70 and 309 for comparison. The 309 uses 444 Marlin brass and the 300 uses .221 Fireball. What fun!! Added one more pic of my nephew's recent muzzleloader kill on the farm. Not too shabby. The only shabbiness is my photography.

Nice buck right there!
Walker

Nice buck!!!

Walking around (hunting) on ancestral land is a real treat this time of the year.

I will look over there and see where Papa and Uncle Walter’s old syrup mill used to be, the terraces where they farmed, the spot where my great grandpa supposedly killed a bear in the late 1800s, the spring where they first camped when they came to Texas in 1850, etc.

Good on you, Duke!

Duke,
Handloading is the way to go. Super nice buck!!

Coach,Looks like you live in an area super rich in memories/history.

Wayne

Duke,
Did I get that right....you're shooting pistols out to 250 yards??
I get the reloading...that's all I shoot hunting

:-)Rocky

Gosh! I thought that it was Elmer Keith who was the one who did that long range hunting with a handgun!!!

My longest shots were doing the National Match Course at 50 yards and that was all I could manage.

Wayne

Not what they are intended to do, but showing off it can be done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fwb-9aYDa0

Obviously Jerry is very good.

380 at 200 yards?? Awesome!!!!

Wayne

No 250 yds. shot AT GAME for me Rocky. My longest whitetail shot took place 43 years ago when I knocked down hard a pretty big 7 pointer at 168 good steps with my open sights, set-trigger, 50 cal., TC Hawken; as a younger man with excellent eyesight. Everything since (meaning deer, turkeys and a pile of whistle pigs) with handguns, bow, modern or muzzle rifles has ranged from 20-115 yards, with 90% being 60yds. & under. Those are the shots in the VA Blue Ridge mtns. where I hunt. My 44Mag Ruger has& will always have open sights ONLY & the S&W wheelie has a RedDot zeroed at 150. The 1shot “destroyer” Contenders in 309JDJ & 300W each sport 2&7s as do the 45-70 & 44Mag (& .223). The local public ranges are 100yds. BUT I’m lucky to also have had an 800yd. range on my family’s farm for the past 30+ years. I learned long ago that pushing lead out long range, as often as I can, reduces my stress, lowers my blood pressure & my heart rate, helps me relax AND really improves my shooting. At my home range I always shoot off the same day pack that accompanies me hunting from a sitting or flat out position, same as hunting.
I do really enjoy reloading and talking powders, bullets, grains, ballistic coefficients, etc. for hours but won’t bore folks here. BUT a big part of that is knowing the calibers I shoot and if zeroed at 250 exactly how many inches low it’ll be at 275/300 OR 50 & how many high at 75 yds. etc. I do, have and will take long shots at whistle pigs, great way to keep your shooting ability and confidence up. But one huge part of deer & turkey hunting, for me, is how close can I get to make that one shot kill. I never think about my longest shotor the “quick follow-up shots”, with game. I’ve always enjoyed reading about Elmer Keith but I’ll leave to others his type of incredible long shots &/or TX heartshots that he originated (I think).

Duke,
Handloading is a separate hobby unto itself. I enjoy it just as much as shooting and going afield.

A friend of mine has a Barrett 50,talk about long range....and reloading.

Each case takes 230 grains of H5010 powder,when he pulls down on the lever on his Dillon Progressive reloader for it, looks something like you flushed the toilet in the powder reservoir.

The 50 doesn't come into it's own until after 800 yard or so when the bullet spins itself to "sleep".

And...................trust me on this,there is some recoil. Not extremely serious but you do know something had "occurred".

Wayne

Speaking of .50 Cal...

Larry,
That looks interesting...but what is it?? I can see the projectile point,but is that a brick??

Wayne

plate steel.

1-inch steel plate.

Turned out the barrel we had gotten for some tests was shot out.

In ten feet from the muzzle to the plate, the AP rounds yawed that much.

The replacement barrel sent the round zipping through it the way it should, then we could move on to the materials we were testing.

I had this one cut out to keep as a paperweight.

Larry

Years ago when I hand loaded everything except self-defense ammo I bought an RCBS Big Max press because it would handle 50 BMG. I never bought a 50 BMG because there is nowhere around here to shoot and justify a long, long, long-range rifle. I mounted the press on my bench and have never used it. Now that I have some time on my hands I guess I will post it on eBait. Here is a photo, not mine, of a Big Max press.

Tom,

Good Lord!!! That is BIG.

Don't sell it,go out and buy a Barret 50 so you will have a use for it then.

I am sure that in the Great State of Texas there is some area where you can fire a long range Barret 50.

I am sure that would be the perfect gun for feral hogs at long range!!!!

Wayne

https://tylerpaper.com/news/queen-of-the...e8f3524905.html
.416 Barrett!!

:-)Rocky

Tom there used to be a long gun range in Shreveport.....not sure now.
I have dies & conversion kits for calibers I don't own but are popular.....never say never.

Wayne,

Where I am located you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a pine or oak tree.

Tom,
.
Guess you do have a bit of a problem there. Nice area,just not conductive to long range shooting.

Pretty much the same here in New England. Average hunting distance is 50 yards with most being way less than that.

Squirrel shots,20 yards..maybe.

In my state,handgun hunting permitted but up to 22 caliber (meaning 22 lr/22 mag) so it is basically for small game.

Airguns up to 22 caliber and no suppressors allowed for hunting.

Wayne

Eye candy for a Sunday morning!!
Smith 27 with a 5" barrel

:-)Rocky

Rocky,
You don't see many Model 27s with 5 inch barrels.

I got a used Model 27 way back when ($85.) that had a 6 1/2 inch barrel.

Before going to 'Nam,I sent it up to S&W and had them cut/crown the barrel back to 4 inches and also move the front back as well.

It went to 'Nam with me and later on in years I had it Metal-lifed and then sent it to Magna-Port for the then new magna-port process.

Wayne

Very nice. the 5" has a good balance. I am lucky to have one also

Metal-lifed....now that's going back a bit...I had a 600 Mohawk metal-lifed way back when....still have it....great gun!!! .308 also found a plastic/fiberglass stock for it....back then, you didn't have the choices you have today....here is a Walther .22 I also had "metal-lifed"

Correction....I think that the Mowhawk was "Parkerized"...the walther was definatly Metal-lifed....

:-)Rocky

Rocky:

That 27 is Eye Candy for sure!!!

And, I have one of those Walther PPK/S-22s.

It’s a little picky on ammo, but with CCI mini mags, it runs smooth and is fun to shoot.

Coach

how old is the 27? looks good

My dad gave it to me when I was 18....about 50 years ago...it was used then...I have since passed it to my son...he took a pig(on the run) with it a few years back....the model 27 is, in fact, one of the most wonderful guns that was made by Smith...I still do like my model 52 as well!!
I've got a picture(of the pig) somewhere...BUT I can't seem to find it right now

:-)Rocky

Here's some more eye candy.
Left to right- 66, 28, 17, 28, 57

Man - O - Man !!!!

That is EYE CANDY !!!

That s a nice set!
What grips are on those- other than “stag”!
Walker

The pair on the far left and two pair on the far right are ELK from Ken "bigmtnman" Driskill. The second set from left are AJAX. And the dark set just say Germany.

Thank you sir. Sure do look good.
Walker

YES!!!

:-)Rocky

Lots of stag along with a Case Stockman (stag) and it looks like a Randall #2 there as well.

Looks like a Tyler T-grip adapter on what I think may be a Model 27??

Wayne

Wayne,
It's a Model #2-4" with reduced hilt and revolver is a #28, as is noticeable by a more matted blue finish and standard hammer & trigger. Tyler grip adapters feel great and standard stocks!
Nice setup,
Capt. Chris

I always lusted after the Model 27 with the 5” barrel. I carried a 6” Model 28 when I was a rookie LEO back in the 70’s. I later switched to a 4” Model 28 as it was easier to carry.



When we switched to semi autos, I had my 4” Model 28 re-blued, added a target trigger, target hammer, a yellow front sight insert and had an action job done. I gave it to my dad and he still has it.

It's a Buck 371

Nate-Dogg,
I did not know that Buck 371s came in stag. I could be wrong on this but the 371s were made "off shore"???

Model 28 4 inch barreled revolvers were our issued piece when I started in '68. Police price for one back then was....$68. !!!!

Don't see that now.

Wayne

Jigged bone.

Mick
That model 28 is superb, beautiful, excellent and darn nice to boot.

Left out just plain purdy, Rod.

Rod,
That is super top shelf of the neat locker!!!!

Wayne

Duke and Wayne

Thanks guys! Had a 27- 8 3/8” years ago. Shot it at Steel silhouette for a few years, then never shot it again. Sold it for a lot more than I paid for it.

It has a coat of ren wax on it, makes it almost too shiny

Thanks!

The work was done back in the 80's by Bob Chow. His shop was in San Francisco and he did some amazing work!

Rodbrown,

You sold a Model 27 with 8 3/8 in bbl???? I bet now you are sorry you did that!!!

Mic214,
Bob Chow was one of the early premiere pistolsmiths. Did you knoiw that he was also an extra in some movies???

Wayne

No, I didn’t know he was in any movies. That’s pretty interesting. I spent a lot of time (And money!) in his shop over the years:)

Mick,
Seems to me that when you spend any time in a gun shop (or knife store) money somehow seems to get "spent"

Looking at this forum and seeingh folks post their guns and knives tends to make me want to go and get yet....another.

I remember many years ago I told my wife that when I pass on,I will take my stuff with me.

Her reply??? "What size pyramid?"

Wayne

Wayne
That's like saying you got a real good deal on that gun or knife and the wife believes you. Lol.

Pap

Pap,
I don't know if wives really believe their husbands,they just tend to take things with a grain of salt.

They have been brought up from birth never to listen to a man.

Wayne

I didn't have that problem as my wife liked guns as much as I do. She was a very good deer hunter she would stay out longer than me most times.

beautiful!!!

:-)Rocky

Sid,
Super nice HS Military.

I remember in the 60s that High Standards were pretty much THE target pistol on the line for the National Match Courses.

I think they were used exclusively by our Olympic Team in the 1960 Rome Olympics.

High Stanards,with a can were used by some tunnel rats in 'Nam.

Wayne

Sidney,
Kay was good at a lot more than hunting. She was a pleasure...that's certain.
Best, Capt. Chris

O.K...took this thing out of the box....doesn't happen often...well used...BUT not abused!!

:-)Rocky

Rocky, that’s really nice!
Walker

Rocky,
Used...yes but certainly properly and well cared for.

Now it has some..."character".

Wayne

Hi, here is my pre-war P 35," Browning Hi-Power", regards, Mike

Hi, here is my 1910 Colt Bisley, in 32-20. I got it at an auction. It went low because the previous owner had it restored. Grampa said, "even a blind hog finds an acorn, sometimes". The pictures were taken by the Auctioneer, regards, Mike

Mike, those sure look good.
Walker

Turnbull restoration?
Awesome gun, it's beautiful...

Beautiful!!
though I already typed this, BUT maybe I didn't post it up.
anyway....there was an article in the recent GUNS magazine about the colt(3rd gen) in 32-20....
I was interested in the recoil...any comments...have you shot it??

Thanks
:-)Rocky

Hi, my guess is that it was done by Nutmeg Sports because of the grips. That is just a guess. The Auction house said the widow said it was "sent back to the factory". Auctioneer also said he was shocked by, for him, a low price. It wasn't that low but reasonable in comparison to Colts at that time, regards, Mike

Hi Rocky, shoots good and recoil is lower than a 38 Special.(to me) It's 100 grain bullet at about 900 fps. I'm not recoil sensitive but I think this is a nice mild shooting round. Accuracy is good, regards, Mike

Mike,
I may be wrong on this,but I understand that there were two factory loadings for the 32-20. One for rifle and the other for revolvers.

They warned that using the rifle loads will damage a handgun and once the round is out of the box,no way to tell which load is which.
Am I wrong on that???

Super nice looking Colt/Bisley.

Wayne

Hi Wayne, my understanding is that commercial ammo companies load the older shells to a minimum pressure, unless specified. The 32-20 or the 32 WCF was originally a rifle cartridge that was also later used in handguns. I use cowboy loads in old "timey" cowboy guns. If I was concerned about the 32-20 I would use "Black Hills" Cowboy loads. I have shot those in the above revolver w/o signs of pressure. I also reload so that is a different option. I can only say I never had a problem, regards, Mike

the site is too slow today....older national match....ivory grips!!
who knows...I may have posted this before...I love cocktail hour!!

:-)Rocky

And another beauty!
Thanks Rocky
Walker

Mike,
That is the smart way to go with Cowboy loads or light reloads.

I have a Colt Army Special that has a LOT OF HISTORY. I only use very light Trail Boss loads in it..

It's history started with being used by the Rough Riders and ended up in 'Nam in '66 where I took it from a NVA regular "that did not need it anymore"

Wayne

well....use it or loose it....

:-)Rocky

Wow that's quite a story, regards, Mike

picked up this little baby today...AND I do mean baby!!!
Ruger Bearcat Shopkeeper...as I'm sure folks know, this was/is a Lipsey model...they were made in blue, with a 3.5"(or maybe a little shorter) barrel and fluted cylinder, and a 3" model in stainless...I've got a blue model that went through Tyler Gun Works It's nice!!!, then I've got a couple of the stainless models....I think I now, have enough....BUT...hay when do we ever have enough??

:-)Rocky

I also have a stainless one Rocky. "Just one" though. It is unfired and will be TJ's (My Grandson) 1st revolver.
Best, Capt. Chris

they are great for younger folks!!
the fit is perfect for a smaller hand

:-)Rocky

O.K....I know...I'm showing off a bit...BUT I do love these little treasures!!!
Ruger does too they are not cheap....size for size, they are probably Ruger's most expensive pistol...
my crappy ass camera doesn't illustrate the beauty to the Tyler work..
Threw in the 21 for scale

:-)Rocky

Rocky,
WOW!! Super nice!!

I remember when Ruger first came out with the BearCats,the price was if I am not mistaken $49. but that was in '58.

Then they dropped the price to $39 for a while.

Always is a nice camp/trail gun. I have an El Paso Saddlery crossdraw holster for mine.

Wayne

I NEED one of those!!!

Rocky,
It is the El Paso Saddlery Model 1920 crossdraw. Mine does not have the snap/strap but a hammer thong. In my opinion,the best way to go.

A number of years ago,I knew a smoke jumper who carried one of the original Bearcats (no transfer bar so five shots in the wheel) in his side cargo pocket on missions. That was basically his meal ticket for the trip out as they sometimes had to hike out some fairly long distances after fighting a fire.

My BearCat (blue,new model) is my camp/trail gun and I have never been disappointed with it.

Wayne

Wayne,
Through emails, I have them making me a "Doc Holliday" shoulder holster...gotta have the cowboy look with that birdshead....I also need a regular belt type....like the 1920

:-)Rocky

Wayne
Speaking of Smokejumpers, when I worked for the Forest Service in the 60's and 70's, before the big fire season started, the FS would detail the Smoke Jumpers to various districts, to do manual labor stuff; cut dead trees around campgrounds, mow the lawns, fix fences, etc. They were hard working during the day, and hard drinking after work. I was a young Batchelor forester the first time I was around a group of Jumpers and I couldn't keep up with them. Their big deal was, when they jumped on a 2 man fire, which was generally one old dead snag hit by lightning, after it was cut down and out. They had to stay at least 2 days on site to make sure the fire was out, then they had to walk out to the nearest road to get picked up. Many times it was miles to the nearest road. Their parachutes and gear had to be packed out and weighed 80 lbs. They would flip a coin to see who packed both packs while the other jumper broke trail. Many times there was no trail back to the road. They were some very tough dudes.

Pap

Pappy,
Looks like I pirated the thread a bit but just bear with me for a moment.
Behring knives is a short distance from what may have been the original smoke jumper school in Missoula.
A number of smoke jumpers were paratroopers.

A couple of issues ago in the National Smokejumper magazine they have detailed stories about smoke jumpers working for Air America in "nam and "elsewhere".

In fact,back in '71 one was prime suspect in the D.Cooper skyjack incident.

One of my grand-daughters swears that I was D. Cooper. (I have an alibi,I think).

Yep,a different breed of men.

Rocky,
When you get that rig from El Paso Saddlery,let us see some photos. I know they do superb work.

Wayne

O.K....so...I have this "bug out" box/crate...it's just something that I have, if I only have the time to grab one thing....didn't contain a gun, or money....didn't occur to me....I have guns everywhere, so WTF....then, as I thought...well, maybe if it's the only thing I can grab....maybe it should have not only a firearm, BUT some dough....I picked up this little strong box at Home Depot this morning....right size, just wrong gun(all I have)....stuffed it with some cash($500) and obviously some silver...you just don't know!!
This does fit the "handgun" thread....I think

:-)Rocky

Rocky,
It fits the thread,it has a nice snubby there.

Good bug out box. Smart to include silver.

I know that in the orient some time back,families would have a bug out bag of sorts but mostly containing diamonds and jewelry.

Wayne

Looks fairly well stocked to me!
Walker

Good idea!!!

Be nice just to to be able to gather your wits just in case you really messed up.

Ain’t planning. Just sayin’.

Rocky,
Being that the S&W you have there is one of the lock models,make certain that you have the key along in your kit bag with it.

I have heard rumors that the lock sometimes engages but that is just rumors. I have never seen it happen.

But when things go wrong,murphy's law is ever present.

Wayne

That’s why I went with the Ruger Alaskan.

good idea....AND that's why I typed "wrong gun"....I gotta get a better piece...now, I'm kinda thinking 4" 66...I've got a few of those....will not fit in the locker. however more room for additional $$$$
Built 50 .357 loads today....50 more .38 tomorrow....those are damn expensive right now!!

:-)Rocky

I ordered and installed the lock removal kit for my S&W,they make them for all frame sizes, blue ,black stainless, easy install. originalprecision.com

cool!!!
ordered...on it's way!!
:-)Rocky

Coach,
Yep,I have a Ruger Alaskan (44) too. Have a Diamond D Leather rig for it. Chest holster. They make great stuff.

Wayne

How about an old .38 super to get the weekend going!!

:-)Rocky

Some years back I gave my close friend a 1911 in 38 Super.

It was worn by the Naval attaché officer in Pres. Roosevelts office when the Japanese announced the start of WW 2.

Wayne

Wayne that is way cool. Rocky I have a catalog from Stoeger called The Shooters Bible 1950. It has everything you need to shoot, fish, camp, and most anything related to the outdoors.
I think this may this interest you, you probably know these things already about your Mod. 21. I have a Ruger from 1952 that has never been fired, I found this in an abandoned house.

The Shooters Bible....I'd forgotten about that publication!!!
Good prices!!!
You say the Ruger was in an abandoned house....WoW!!
:-)Rocky

Sid,
Shooters Bible reminds me of the Herter's catalogs.

Of course in the Herters catalogs their stuff was the choice of the world's professionals.

Of course the prices in the '52 Shooter's Bible look great but if memory serves me correctly,the average wage was about $40. a week maybe. Wayne

GHD....
your gonna love this!!!
slug arrived yesterday....installed this morning, when cleaning up, I noticed a part that I had left out....it was the "lock" keeper that now, was of no real use, however.....it left a hole in the side of the frame.....SOOOOOO....took it back apart put in the now useless part.....hole filled....looking good sooooo I'm in the middle of securing the hammer spring, and swivel....BING!!!! off it goes to a place I will NEVER find, in my remaining life....3 new swivels on the way from Midway....$20, and a week to wait....I order 3 as I'm quite sure I'll launch at least another into space....that will give me 1, or 2 for another time.....come to think of it....I probably should have ordered a few springs....I'm bound to "lunch" one before this is over....

:-)Rocky

Rocky--

To avoid losing springing springs, I placed pillows so the spring would hit it if it pounced away.

Larry

I had that happen on my Glock with the little spring that holds tension on the slide keeper. I was lucky and found mine because I heard it hit into one of my open Griswold Dutch ovens. Very lucky!

Pap

oh yeah....I heard it hit 2 things....before it vanished!! "ding ding" this is the little black rubber "swivel" as they call it....rests on the gun frame, and the end of the spring rests inside it....black, like all the crap in my shop floor....
no matter...Midway already emailed me that "my order has shipped"
I think that I'll redo it in the shower, with something over the drain!!

:-)Rocky

Rocky, I did get a chuckle out your dilemma, but who among us hasn't had springs and things take off and disappear into the abyss never to be seen again, I sure have, it can be maddening. Once it's all done, I think the peace of mind that the lock will not set under recoil will be worth it. Have fun in the shower.

Picked up this little baby today!!
.22WMR

:-)Rocky

Back in business!!!
It "launched" 3 times I was in the bathroom, with the door closed!!!

:-)Rocky

Rocky--

Is it worth the trouble to do this?

I wonder how common it is for that internal lock to slip and lock up?

Larry

My thoughts also Larry ??

this is all Wayne's fault!!
I'd never heard of all that...BUT...I can join in with the best of them, AND...it does make since....if that pistol got "Locked"....it would difficult to fix...anyway...it was fun...I don't know about ya'll, however I get few reasons to "get into" a gun...brings back needed info...

:-)Rocky

Rocky that is a sweet little Ruger. I have a Ruger 22 auto from 1952 that has never been fired could use some cleaning up but I figured if it hasn't rusted yet why bother. I found this in an abounded house many years ago. Sorry for the poor pics.

Rocky,
I stand guilty as charged for whatever.

That is a super nice LCRx you have there.

Wayne

Thanks Wayne

:-)Rocky

I picked up a Bul 1911 in 9mm a while back. With the weather not cooperating, I hadn’t had a chance to shoot it. In handling the pistol, I was impressed with fit and finish.



Yesterday, I was able to get to the range and I was amazed how nice it shot. The trigger pull is around 3-1/2+ pounds. The 9mm caliber coupled with a great trigger and the weight of the full sized, all steel 1911 pistol make this baby one sweet shooter!

This is my 7 yard target:

Looks like it will run for sure.
Enjoy it!
Walker

that'll do!!

:-)Rocky

MicK,
That is super nice. Looks like you got that dialed in just right.

What was the ammo you used???

Wayne

Wayne,

I was shooting Herter’s “Target” 115 grain 9mm FMJ. It is made by Winchester.

Mick,
That is very good. Obviously, it functioned perfectly???

In the photo it shows the piece cocked and locked. Just the way John M. Browning designed it to be carried.

With it cocked and locked,there are 5 safeties in place.

The 1911 platform has been around well over a century and cannot be improved upon.

In '68, a contractor that was doing house renovation came to police HQ with a 1911 he found in an attic. It was cocked and locked with a full magazine. Documents showed that it had been stored that way since about 1920.

I took the old ammo out,basically lubed the gun,put fresh ammo in and it functioned perfectly.

Springs had been compressed for about 50 yrs.

Wayne

finally found the photo of the hog my son shot with that 27..it was on another computer

:-)Rocky

Rocky,
Looks like a lot of good meat there. Much better than the stuff from the store.

You anywhere near Moultrie??? Each October I go there for my annual quail hunt.....................and rattlesnake encounters.

Wayne

nope...out I-20, close to Augusta, next to Washington
of course...I had to drive out there to pick it up, after processing...he was in school...

:-)Rocky

Here's another I photo'd up for another site....

:-)Rocky

SAI (Springfield Armory) has come out with a BHP, it would seem.

Forged carbon steel frame and slide, cold hammer forged barrel.

Apparently some of the upgrades include better safety lever, longer feed ramp (wider range of ammo), and removal of the "empty magwell block."

MSRP in the $700 ballpark.





A function-check review of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuKM6s6hVAs

Another excellent design by John M.Browning.

I understand that he had passed away before the design was completed???

Wayne

Hi, here's my pre-war Hi power it has the original holster stock, regards, Mike

The Bul functioned flawlessly. Granted we only shot 150 rounds through it, but it didn’t hiccup once.

During my LEO career I was allowed to carry 1911’s when I was assigned to investigations and I carried them cocked & locked.

beautiful hi power!!

:-)Rocky

Mick,
Smart way to pack the 1911. That way you have 8 rounds ready to go.

Mike,
Beautiful Herstal HP!!! Pristine condition. Does it have a shoulder stock attachment??

Wayne

Hi, yes, I have it on my C&R license. I have another that I'm going to eventually sell or trade, regards, Mike

Mike,
I know that Lugers,at least some,had the shoulder stock that was also the holster.

Does the HP have any such stock/holster?? I have never heard of one.

Wayne

Hi, the Hi Powers had leather holsters attached to a wooden board. According to Anthony Vanderlinden's book they were issued to Belgian non-coms and above. The Canadians made one in all wood ala' the 1896 Broomhandle Mauser. Give me a few days and I'll post a picture.

I just saw a YouTube on the 2022 shot show FN is making High Powers again, regards, Mike

https://youtu.be/i9KwyrkG684

Hi, here's a picture, not mine of a repro stock made by Odin, in the 1980's. They got some original hardware and made about 1000 units. The main difference was the wood and fit and finish. They were not cheap, regards, Mike

Mike,
Wow!! That is something else. Really nice.

Wayne

Hi Wayne, I have an original and have used it at the 100 meter range and it's nice. The rear sight is kind of "fine" as in small, regards, Mike

Mike,
I don't think that any of those firearms were really designed for accurate long range shots.

Just like the 1911,it was designed up close engagements,which it did very well.
A friend of mine,who was a Game Warden up in Maine,took a 100 yard shot and connected with a coyote. The gun was a SIG P-226 in 357 SIG.
Wayne

Here is my pair of S&W model 25's. Probably not the first gun that comes to mind when you think of 45acp.

Nate:

You got some nice stuff !!!

Coach

I LIKE that bottom gun...

Nate,
I could be wrong on this but the Model 25s could also chamber 45 LC rounds and the ACPs would use the moon clips???

Either way,that is a very nice pair of Model 25s.

Wayne

Hi, I just sold two S&W model 25's and one 625, probably a mistake. #1 was an older 25 Target, in 45ACP ,scary accurate with SWC reloads. #2 was a 25 Colt, (long colt), and #3 was a 625 3" stainless with an awesome ElPaso Sadlery "Tom Threepersons" holster. A 25 takes 45 ACP with clips or 45 AR (Auto Rim). 45 Colt is not interchangeable with the 45ACP. Ruger made a single action with 2 cylinders one in 45ACP and one in 45 Colt, regards, Mike

El Paso Saddlery makes some mighty fine stuff. I have a few of the Tom Threepersons crossdraw holsters.

I think it was Memphis,TN PD years ago had issued the Model 25 to their officers. It was chamber for the 45 LC but could also use the 45 acp rounds with mood clips.

Officers would have the first six loaded with 45 LC and then reloads were in the 45 acp with full moon clips.

Wayne

Hi Wayne, that's a new one on me; but it sounds good, regards, Mike

That would be a Model #25-5 not the #25-2...
Best, Capt. Chris

Some years back,I had met one of the Memphis PD SWAT/Cobra team officers.

Their choice of sidearm was the good old Model 1911.

Seems that is the choice of most teams. I guess they go with what has worked for many decades.

Wayne

Lot's of leather going on with this one.

Tom,
Super nice stuff there!!!

Wayne

No fool'n!!

:-)Rocky

I added a new Springfield Armory "Ronin" to the stable today. It is the 9mm Commander version with an alloy frame:

Mick,
That really looks super nice!!! Let us know how it does on the range when you have a chance.

Wayne

cocked and locked....

:-)Rocky

Rocky,
That is the way it should be. As I had said before,JMB designed it to be carried that way.

Cocked and locked,more safeties in place. Plus instead of 7 rounds,you have eight.

Wayne

I found this photo on an old hard drive. The grips in the photo are not original. I put the Pachmeyers on it when I thought I would shoot it. I never did shoot it and put the Hogue (I think) grips back on it and put it back in the box. It's a beaut!

Very nice Tom!!

Pap

put some .44 specials in it and shoot it!!

:-)Rocky

Tom,
Heck with the 44 specials,load up some magnums and let it rip!!!

That's what I would do.

Wayne

Hi, I love my Classic. Mine has a 5" barrel and one of the reasons I purchased it was the easily changed front sight. I tried brass/gold, the original red and white. For me the white insert really stand out and helps me get good groups, YMMV, regards, Mike

Mike,
A lot of folks seem to do better with the white insert. Seems to stand out and be picked up easier.

I may have asked this before,you anywhere near Elkhorn??

I may take a trip out there to encounter "The Beast From Bray Road"

Just encounter,not kill. Heck I may even make a pet out of it!!!

Wayne

Hi, this is a new one on me.....Beast of Bray Road
From Wikipedia,
Beast of Bray Road

The Beast of Bray Road, also known as the Bray Road Beast and the Wisconsin Werewolf, is a purported humanoid wolf-like creature allegedly witnessed in or near the rural community of Elkhorn, Walworth County, Wisconsin. It has since become a part of Wisconsin folklore and has been the subject of multiple books, documentaries and a 2005 horror film.



Named for the farm road in which it was first allegedly sighted, Bray Road, reports of the creature in the 1980s and 1990s prompted a local newspaper, the Walworth County Week, to assign reporter Linda Godfrey to cover the story. Godfrey was initially skeptical, but later became convinced of the sincerity of the witnesses. Her series of articles later became a book titled The Beast of Bray Road: Tailing Wisconsin's Werewolf.

Reports of a similar creature in the neighboring state of Michigan also tell of an alleged wolf-like humanoid, the Michigan Dogman.

I will say this, when me neighbor was tell her friend that she was having problems with her Sicilian Donkey; I though she was referring to me. So just call me the beast, LOL , Mike

Here is the Classic with the proper grips.

There was a time when I put Pachmayr grips on all of my handguns IF the grips did not have the Pachmayr logo medallian in them. I would cruise around the gun shows picking up new old stock Pachmayrs sans medallion.

I really do love hunting with these two .44 Mags. I’ve owned and taken the 629 Classic to the whitetail woods since about 1994 and switched the stock grips out for these Hogues almost immediately. The red dot in the Leupold mount is so accurate that this rig truly makes one almost too confident; at least out to 150 yds. The Hogue grips fit my hands so much better and really make it a pleasure to shoot. The Ruger was a real surprise birthday gift from my wife and shoots as wonderful as it looks. As I’ve always loaded my own shells I shoot only mid-power loads; have no need to shake the guns (or my hands) apart, and nothing I’ve ever hunted and shot seemed to notice.

Nice Duke.

Tom and Duke:

All nice!!!

I have yet to use my .44 mag on a hog but it’s just a matter of time.

Coach

Duke,
Nice pair of 44s you have there. I am with you on the heavy load stuff.
I found that the "Keith Load" of 22 grain 2400 and a 250 grain bullet a bit too much. Powered it down to 20 grains.

Shoots just fine in my Ruger Alaskan.

Coach,
What load/ammo do you plan on using for the hog hunt???

Wayne

Wayne:

I got a box of Factory Winchester 240 grain. They seem like plenty.

If they don't do it, I have a box of 300 grain reloads that a friend gave me. There is a HUGE difference between the two!

Coach

Coach,
I would imagine that there would be a difference in both loads.

Just wondering, do both shoot to the same point of aim? I doubt it.

Wayne

Wyane:

It is my "close range" gun. I carry it in my chest holster for just in case I come up on 'em close. Sooooo, the point of aim probably doesnt change much in 10-20 yards.

I also carry a .223 or .308 for further out shots.

Coach

Coach,
The chest rig,is it a Diamond-D chest rig?? I have one for the Ruger 44 Alaskan and it is great.

Wayne

Wayne:

Yessir! Diamond D. It’s awesome.

I got one for my Alaskan and another for my 1911.

Coach

Under-gunned for the occasion...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...res-4-dogs.html

Training for the Iditarod, attacked by a moose...

She carried a .380...and found it insufficient to stop the animal.

Now says she will carry a larger caliber...but does not say what that is.

Larry

Larry,
Probably a 38 spl.

The sled dog racers on the trail have been attacked numerous times over the race history.

Of course,weight is a big factor on the trail but you have to plan for the worst.

Wayne

Not enough information to make too many judgements about “bringing enough gun”, BUT I’m going to say the more practice one can do the more likely of a kill shot when really needs it, whatever the heck caliber one chooses……IMHO.

Duke,
I tend to agree with you on that for sure.

Wayne

I agree!!

Some of the famous African hunters used what many consider to be small calibers for elephants.

"But" they made sure to carefully place the shot for a brain kill.

For other game...bigger was better. They did not expect to take down buffalo or rhino with what we would consider to be a deer rifle.

And nobody who knows much about it would expect to defend against a moose with a .380 pistol.

Larry

In my opinion a .380, or 9mm Kurz is ok if you can hit minute of eyeball.

Excellent pill placement, Tom! I’ve brought down more than a couple of those ferocious Blue Ridge gray squirrels with my bb pistol and that very shot, from
15-30 ft.
Been a few years……maybe time again.

This lady has up-gunned from her .380 pocket pistol for racing in the Alaska wilderness. Not clear from this article which of the three guns she will carry--the .44 Magnum, the Glock of unspecified caliber, or the shotgun.

https://americanhandgunner.com/discover/musher-learns-to-carry-a-bigger-gun/

Larry

Larry,
More than likely,the semi auto pistol will be in 10MM as that seems to be the popular gun/caliber combination.

Wayne

That's what I carry, a Glock 20SF(short frame) 10mm, 180 gr FMJ, 15+ 1 in the chamber. Diamond D Guide Chest holster with extra mag.

Pap

Pap,
Years ago,when Colt came out with their 1911 in 10MM,I tested one for the magazine and found the recoil not to be that bad.

I think that in the Glock the grip is better configured and the recoil would be better handled.

Seems that a lot of folks use the Diamond D chest rig. I have one for my Ruger 44 Alaskan and am really pleased with it.

Wayne

I have a S&W 629 Alaskan Backpacker with a ported barrel, and Hogue Grips.
I bought it from a friend years ago and he included a David Johnston Guides Choice Chest Holster with Reload, that he bought from David at the Tulsa Show.
I started wearing it when I was fly fishing along some of the streams and rivers in the Colorado back country.
I have since taken it with me whenever I am heading out to isolated areas.
David Johnston started Diamond D and I have always thought it was the best holster I have for comfort and accessibility.

The Diamond D Guide Chest holster is certainly the easiest to assemble, most comfortable, and able to go over any outer clothing, making it accessible. Much more so than the older under arm, concealed rigs.

Pap

Pap,
I agree with you on that,plus the quality of the Diamond D rigs is superb.

A few years ago they made a butt stock shell carrier in 16 gauge for my barely legal Stevens single shot.

A number of years ago (many) while on patrol,I saw the butt stock of what I thought was a discarded BB gun sticking out of a dumpster.

Further inquiry showed it to bde the above mentioned Stevens shotgun.

I checked the files for any stolen/missing Stevens or 16 ga guns and kept it in found inventory for the required time,then took possession of it.

I then lathe turned the bbl back to 18 1/4 inches,installed an XS night sight on it,refinished it and then later added the butt stock shell carrier,as well as a nylon sling and swivels.

50 yard groups with slugs are quite decent.

Wayne

Sounds like a neat shotgun. I have a no name 18.5" 20ga single shot that I carried on my Arctic Cat snowmobile to shoot coyotes, but I like my 16ga Savage A5 patent for my all around shotgun.

Pap

Back when I was still mad at the east Texas deer population, here was my "gonna get'em" hand gun. The barrel was originally a 30 Carbine and was rechambered by a gunsmith in Dallas to .300 Savage. I worked up my hand load a little at a time until I got it right and safe. For a handgun it would drive tacks out to 100 yards. Please do no use the loading data you see in my photo.

Good looking contender for sure.
Walker

Tom,

Great TC, very accurate. I have one in .308 and as you say a tack driver for sure.

Tom Flynn

Santa brought me this Single Shot Savage/Stevens 12ga. when I was 12 years old so that I could have my own gun to quail hunt with my Dad.

The barrel is 20" Full Choke and will handle 3" Magnums.

I used to carry it on my gun rack in the rear window of my pickup during High School and College. (Wouldn't work nowadays; and yes I was a REDNECK!)

I did kill my first 6 deer with it.

Tom,
Super nice Contender. I have one with three extra bbls.

Coach,
Really nice 12 ga there! Super nice and simple,I bet it works every time!!!!

Pap,
You have a coyote problem out your way? Huge problem here.

Large den off of School Road in your old home town. Could hear them howling all night long. Lots of missing Fido and Fluffy complaints there.

Wayne

Yes, we have a predator problem period here in Idaho. Bears, mountain lions, wolves and coyotes. Coyotes like more open county and in the spin when the snow is crusty, we would go 'yote hunting on snowmobiles.

Pap

Wayne:

It has a hammer. Makes for a good safety for a kid. I learned a long time ago to shoot it from the hip and NOT the shoulder!

Pappy:

Our Coyotes help keep the gophers, moles, rats and mice down. We have 9 cats right now and we have never lost one to the coyotes. That's not to say that they might come up on the porch and eat their food when the dogs are sleeping in the shop.

Coach

Coach
Our coyotes are bad on deer and antelope fawns, not to mention lambs. We have real Government trappers where they are really bad.

Pap

Coach,
Being that you have a flashlight on it,I guess it works pretty well shooting from the hip!!

Now,I am thinking of getting another Bond Arms Derringer. This one is listed as a "Roughneck" in 45 acp.

I already have a Texas Defender with 9 different bbls for it.

Any comments??

Wayne

Wayne

Wayne:

Shooting 3” magnums from the shoulder with this gun is self harm!

Back in the 60s & 70s all of our quail were in the woods and briar thickets. I would shoot the covey rise from the hip.

Like I said, I killed 6 deer with it using OO Buck and Slugs. I shot those from the shoulder and hurt myself almost as bad as the deer.

I put the light on it when my youngest daughter was in Law School in New Orleans and having to live in the ghetto. She kept it next to her bed. Thankfully, she never had to use it.

On the day she moved in, she made friends with the “pusher” next door. She told him that if he needed any legal help, she could help if he would keep a lookout for her. A couple weeks later, he got raided and she got one of her profs to help get him out.

After that, he told her that he would watch her place day & night and that nothing would happen to her or her stuff. He told her: “I run this ‘hood!” She helped him out a few times more and he kept his word.

.45acp would be nice.

Coach

quail from the hip...VERY impressive

:-)Rocky

Like I said, on the covey rise. Not individual birds very often.

Coach,
A 3 inch magnum is,indeed,quite punishing and looking at the photo of that gun,I see that it looks like there is no recoil pad.

Reminds me of an acquaintance of mine in NC,that uses a singleshot 10 gauge for turkey hunting. I assume that it does have a recoil pad,but Irregardless that has to hurt................a lot.

Sounds like your daughter made the right friend at the time for the situation she was in.

Wayne

Wayne:

She’s got some guts, that’s for sure!

When she finished her freshman year at the University of Texas, she came home and told me that she was going to Europe for her sophomore year. She said she would take her classes online.

I told her that I did not have that kind of money and that if she got into some kind of trouble over there, we had 3 other kids and we could not help her. She showed me her bank account of $60,000 and told me that it was from her grants, scholarships, and work.

She went to Rotterdam, Holland and worked as an Au Pair (nanny) for a couple and their 2 little girls. They paid her a salary and furnished her with Eurail pass that was good for all over Europe.

She went all over Europe while she was there even Turkey, and tried to get into Syria but could not cross the border. She did go to Poland but I don’t think she made it to Ukraine.

Later, when she visited my son in Japan, she bought a ticket on a ferry to North Korea. We were relieved when the ferry trip got canceled that day because of the weather.

When she graduated from the University of Texas, every continent except for Antarctica was represented at her reception dinner at The Oasis in Austin.

She is a corporate attorney now in North Dallas. She is 32, married, has a 2 year old and is 9 months pregnant with her 2nd. She says she wants 2 more. She makes more money in a year than I make in 10. (or more)

She brought my old shotgun back because now she carries a Sig P320 in her purse. She can out shoot all of us. I told her husband once after we did some shooting out here to be careful and not make her mad. He replied: “For LOTS of reasons!”

Coach

Coach,
North Korea???? Yipes!!!!

And yes,never make a woman mad at you!!! It can hurt in many ways!!

Wayne

Wow Coach, she is no doubt a very special lady. Great story.

Pap

What Wayne and Pappy said. That is a great story she is well traveled and so smart I know you are proud of her.

She got a sonogram today that had a good view of Benny’s face.

Her husband called me and said that he had Coach’s eyes, nose, forehead, and mouth!

I told my son in law that he would have to be tuff with that mug.

Yes, I am proud of her, I’m proud of all my kids. They are each remarkable.

Coach,
You have good reason to be proud of your children.

They were raised by great parents who lead by example.

Wayne

My two daughters are hero’s tonight. They ganged up on my Uncle, called an ambulance and would not take no for an answer.

He is in route right now.

There you go,Coach!
Put them in the fight.
Prayers lifted.
Walker