Knife Of The Week Model 16

Posted by: vklough46

Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/27/08 08:36 AM

Thanks to all who have participated thus far. This week we'll be looking at some Model 16 Diver's. I know we have several members who are divers, and if they have a Randall Model 16 Diver's Knife, hopefully they will share pictures and stories with us.

From Randall Made Knives: The History of the Man and the Blades by Robert L. Gaddis, pp. 162-163

Quote:

The new year of 1958 ushered in another new style of Randall Made knife, the number 16 Diver's Knife. The first of these was made for a man who was as well known in writing circles as Bo was with knife aficionados, James Jones, the author of such best-seller action novels as From Here to Eternity, Some Came Running, and The Thin Red Line.

Most of the correspondence with James Jones has yet to be found, but we do have the original shop sketch for the first hand-forged Model 16s....

The notations on the drawing of "Heaviest Possible Bevel-like Solingen Made" and "(Should be able to get 1 1/4" here, out of 1" stock--using care)" were Bo's instructions to the man who had to hand-forge these first blades. He wanted this new knife style to be able to withstand severe use, knowing well that a diver will put his knife to tasks it was never intended for. The reference to "like Solingen Made" when describing the bevel angle referred to those on the German-made blades for his lower priced Model 14 and 15 styles....

The handle shown in the shop drawing is a molded, green Tenite one for the then current Model 15, but the hilt is most unusual. We can only assume that the first few knives had this strange, foreshortened style of hilt with almost no lower extension. All later knives, including the one first pictured in the twelfth printing of the catalog, have a conventionally shaped lower extension, similar to those found on the Models 3 and 4..,.

The Diver's Knife first appeared in the twelfth printing of the Randall catalog. It was illustrated by a heavily retouched photo and described as "DIVER'S KNIFE--7" blade of 1/4" stainless steel stock. Top cutting edge sharpened. 3 7/8" green Tenite handle, same as on Models 14 and 15. (Other handles and extra features not available.) Designed especially for heavy duty saltwater use. Nickel silver hilt. Wrist thong included. Comes with special oil-tanned sheath (similar to Model B sheath) equipped with keeper thong, arm and leg thongs. (Wt. 14 oz.)"

...Micarta handles were advertised as an option starting in March 1965, but we have already noted earlier ones being ordered with such handles. By early 1967, the Micarta handle was standard. By the spring of 1967, the wax-impregnated sheath had become standard as well, and sawteeth on top of the blade were an option.




Lady and gentlemen, may we please see some Diver's Knives.
Kevin
Posted by: tunefink

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/27/08 08:55 PM

This is a really cool Diver.

It has a maroon micarta Griffin handle, saw/no saw grind and a Johnson rough back..... love it!

Posted by: vklough46

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/28/08 01:21 PM

Mitchell,
Thanks for the post.
It is a very cool diver.
Kevin
Posted by: lunde

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/28/08 01:44 PM

I got this Model 16 Diver last month, ordered through Tom Clinton in late 2006. It has a Single Finger Grip Black Micarta handle, Nickel Silver hilt, and two lines of engraving.





Posted by: mileswelze

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/28/08 08:49 PM

"Lady and gentlemen, may we please see some Diver's Knives."

Kevin,

Here's my favorite...
Posted by: mileswelze

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/28/08 08:49 PM

my favorite... photo 2
Posted by: vklough46

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/28/08 09:05 PM

Ken and Miles thank you for posting.
Why is this 16 your favorite Miles?
Kevin
Posted by: mileswelze

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/28/08 09:22 PM

Kevin,

It's my favorite 16 because:

1. it's an early tenite diver and extremely rare
2. condition
3. condition
4. condition
5. condition

Easily near mint but for that line at the throat and one very faint 1/8" scratch on the logo side.
Posted by: vklough46

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/28/08 09:32 PM

Miles,
So it's in good condition????
Nice knife. Thanks again for posting.
Kevin
Posted by: Guido_Bitossi

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/29/08 05:06 AM

Great knife Miles !!!
Just a question:
whay NO "S" stamp ?
No SS at that time ?
Or IS ss but...NO mention ?
Thanks again for posting it.
Best
Guido
Posted by: 7033grip

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/29/08 07:26 AM

I was wondering the same thing. It's even more rare without the stainless stamp.

A lot of #10's had the "S" left off.

Dubie
Posted by: boardrider

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/29/08 09:51 AM

Kevin "good condition?" great sense of humor, Miles that one is my favorite now also, beautiful!
Posted by: TAH

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/29/08 10:25 AM

Miles' Diver isn't that special. It only has:

1) Tenite handle
2) Extended tang
3) O-1 steel
4) No choil
5) N/S squared off guard
6) Unique Heiser sheath with no keeper strap
7) Original leather thongs
8) Near mint

What's the big deal?
Posted by: Steven

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/29/08 10:29 AM

Yea really, so what big deal! Please more pictures of this very common knife that is in ratty shape. Please
Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/29/08 10:44 AM

I don't think it is O-1 steel, but is actually stainless steel that is unmarked.
I believe tenite was used from mid-1950’s to mid-1960’s. The “SS” stamp was not used until around 1963, and a year or so later the “SS” was changed to a single “S”. Before that time, there was no marking when stainless was used. Here are two of these earliest stainless markings.
-Steve

Posted by: Guido_Bitossi

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/29/08 12:39 PM

Hullo my Friend...
It looks like everybody like DIVERS only...

Posted by: Guido_Bitossi

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/29/08 12:43 PM

....but Mod.# 16 is "SPECIAL # 1 FIGHTER"....too !!!



All the Best
Guido
Posted by: BigJim

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/29/08 12:52 PM

Miles,
Doesn't get much better,Great Knife!
Pair of Vietnam Era 16's.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!
Posted by: Don_Hedrick

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/29/08 05:39 PM

Miles, after looking at your knife a few times, it appears to have a "Flat Grind". Is this possible? Don
Posted by: widmn

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/29/08 09:00 PM

Don't forget the pancakes.
Posted by: mileswelze

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/29/08 09:34 PM

Don. I do not have the knife in front of me, but I do not think so. Don't quote me -- it's possible. Sheldon references a very similar knife on page 61 of his book and perhaps he can shed some light on the grind.

Rich: as usual... great pancake flipper!
Posted by: Guido_Bitossi

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/30/08 04:52 AM

Rich,
thanks for posting my knife ( )
Just kidding
All the Best
Guido
Posted by: TAH

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/30/08 09:32 AM

Quote:

I don't think it is O-1 steel, but is actually stainless steel that is unmarked.




This could be true, but I think I remember reading in the Gaddis book that the first Divers were O-1. Certainly, Miles' knife falls into that category.

Miles, how about dunking that Diver in some salt water overnight and see it rusts.

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/30/08 11:26 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I don't think it is O-1 steel, but is actually stainless steel that is unmarked.




This could be true, but I think I remember reading in the Gaddis book that the first Divers were O-1. Certainly, Miles' knife falls into that category.

Miles, how about dunking that Diver in some salt water overnight and see it rusts.






Stainless rusts too.
Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/31/08 10:57 AM

Quote:

I think I remember reading in the Gaddis book that the first Divers were O-1. Certainly, Miles' knife falls into that category.



You're probably right, Tom. I just went back to the catalogs. Couldn't find the #16 in the 1959 catalog (even though the Wickersham timeline says it began in 1958), so I checked out the 1961 catalog, which mentions only stainless. Here's what it says:



Of course, like many Randall Made Knives, there were a lot of variations. Got to go back and re-read Gaddis--I still have a lot to learn!
-Steve
Posted by: TAH

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/31/08 11:53 AM

Hi Steve,

According to the Gaddis book on page 163, the first Divers were offered in O-1 as well as stainless. I'm certainly no expert. It could be an unmarked stainless blade like you said, which would make it even more rare.

Regardless, it's a gem!
Posted by: TAH

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/31/08 12:02 PM

Quote:

so I checked out the 1961 catalog, which mentions only stainless. Here's what it says:






Steve,

After re-reading that catalog excerpt that you posted, at the bottom, it states that the Diver is available in tool steel as well.

Thanks for posting it!
Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/31/08 12:06 PM

THANKS--and boy, am I dumb; I never looked at that part!
(Is it too late to trash my post before everybody reads it and knows I'm an idiot?
-Steve
Posted by: TAH

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/31/08 12:11 PM

Don't worry about it, Steve. I do that kind of stuff all the time on here. I don't want to be the only idiot!
Posted by: Sheldon_Wickersham

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/31/08 12:15 PM

Don, I dunno if the blade is flat ground, though I kinda doubt it as RMK doesn’t make too many flat ground blades...but, Miles could prolly look at his face-on, from tip to hilt, and see if it is indeed flat, or if there is an ever so slight dip...

Steve, let me help ya out here. Gaddis wrote on page 162 ’13 May 1957, #16 Solingen Blade – James Jones – Marshall, Ill.’ On the next page he wrote of one being sent to Jones in March of 1958, followed by commentary about the fourth Model #16 being ordered in January of 1959. So, take your pick of dates

All, as to catalog introduction; the Diver’s knife was shown in the 12th catalog printing of early (February?) 1959 on page 12, available in stainless steel only – the 14th catalog of late 1960 showed availability of both steel types. See that part in the catalog page you posted about 'Swedish Steel'...that references O1 high-carbon tool-steel. (Doh, Tom beat me to it...lol)

So, carbon steel obviously became an option sometime between those two dates; just when is still up for debate. (although IIRC, it 'was' available in 1959)

The model #16 continued to be offered with a Carbon steel blade until just prior to the release of the 21st catalog in early 1971...so, through 1969 and possibly into 1970. As you already mentioned though; the stainless steel type indicator markings, whether stamped or etched, weren’t used until 1963. Tenite was all but discontinued by early 1965.

So, shootin' from the hip here - at the very least, carbon steel Model #16’s ordered between the latter half of 1960 and the middle of 1963 would, theoretically, be externally identical to their stainless steel brethren.

Hope that helps
Posted by: mileswelze

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/31/08 01:13 PM

Two of the questions in the back of my mind when attempting to date this particular diver:

1. When did RMK start manufacturing "choiled" divers? (this particular tenite diver has no choil - the diver in the catalog above seems to have one)

2. Sheath specs. Specifically, when were the over the guard keeper straps introduced on the sheaths? (vs. the earliest pancake types like this one that only had the rawhide lanyards to hold the handle) Also, how early were the sheaths manufactured with drain holes? (this particular sheath has no drain hole)

If 01 vs SS blades on these models are externally identical, perhaps we can look to the choil/no choil construction and sheath specs to more accurately date the package.

ps. let's see some more diver's!!!
Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/31/08 01:13 PM

Thanks, Tom and Sheldon.
Shel, it sure looks like you're the "keeper of the records" when it comes to RMK.
-Steve
Posted by: TAH

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/31/08 01:27 PM

Quote:

Shel, it sure looks like you're the "keeper of the records" when it comes to RMK.
-Steve




Yea, Sheldon, you need to write a book.
Posted by: TAH

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/31/08 02:20 PM

What? Only one pancake? What kind of place are you running here? I'd like to speak to the manager, please.
Posted by: Sheldon_Wickersham

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/31/08 02:30 PM

Ha, you guys are waaay too kind

Seriously though; I'm just an enthusiast like you guys (well, maybe not as much as Steve)...with both feet planted firmly on the ground (Edna would likely say 'in cheek')...

Miles, the #16 BG shows on page 162 of 'Randall Made Knives: The History of the Man and the Blades' is said to have been the fourth Diver (a Tenite) made...it has a choil.

The Tenite diver used on the cover of our 3rd edition Randall Timeline has a choil; all the Tenite's handled Model #16's that I've seen in person or in books or websites have choils; all the catalog photos of Tenite #16's had choils (prolly the same photo, reused)...yours, and Bart's, shown on page 61 of our book are the only two I've seen without choils...

Yet, I'm a firm believer that when 'one Randall knife configuration is seen' there's usually more....when 'two are seen' there's just gotta be more. Not many Tenite diver's out there, and certainly fewer without choils, but there are a few anyway...

At to the keeper strap dealie; I think that was a Maurice Johnson idea in '61-'62...could be wrong of course about that, but the keeper strap 'was' being used by Johnson, by '63 for sure...
Posted by: vklough46

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 02/02/08 07:50 PM

I would like to thank everyone who has taken time to post and comment on this week's model.
Kevin
Posted by: mileswelze

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 02/03/08 12:26 AM

We would like to thank you for opening up the Knife Of The Week thread!

Thanks Kevin.
Posted by: Sufler

A few shots of mine... - 03/12/08 09:20 AM

I guess... "used to" be mine.

Enjoy!

















Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 12/09/08 01:10 PM

Two Special Fighters and a Diver.



Another Diver and dive buddy.

Posted by: Topos

Re: A few shots of mine... - 12/10/08 03:43 PM

David,

Thank you for the great pictures. I went to your site and it is beautifully presented.

My compliments. You look like I imagined Dirk Pitt looking.

It that a Sea Dweller or Submariner in the lower picture? The watch band is novel for that watch.

Being the 'always have backup' person when my wife presented me with the Sea Dweller in 1980 I ordered an extra bracelet for it as I ran across a person who had wrecked his watch band on a hard dive & it took Shreve's 2 months to obtain another. It also took them 2 months to get me the backup. I still have it in original case. My original band has survived all my predation.

Best wishes and safe diving.
Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: A few shots of mine... - 12/10/08 05:31 PM

David,
TERRIFIC KNIVES!
Tony
Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 12/21/08 05:27 PM

My latest addition -- the ice diver:

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: A few shots of mine... - 12/21/08 08:48 PM

COOL!
Tony
Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 12/22/08 12:11 PM

Here it is with a little natural color, taken on the day that autumn turned to winter.

Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 12/26/08 03:23 PM

My three 16s -- two Divers and a Special Fighter. I used to have four, but the black handled Diver is on its way to Orlando to be engraved with the name of a friend. I am giving it as a gift to a pioneer in diving, who already admires its craftsmanship. These knives eventually will be engraved with my name -- they're keepers!

Posted by: vklough46

Re: A few shots of mine... - 12/27/08 08:10 AM

Nice RMK 16's David.
It's always good to see Randall Made Knives that are being used.
Thanks for sharing.

Kevin
Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 12/30/08 02:59 PM

Here is one of my RMK 16s in use last summer.



I am still searching for the right configuration to attach the knife to my gear for diving. The regular waxed sheath attaches nicely to a belt, but this BC has an integrated weight system and the jacket covers the knife if it is on its own belt. The waxed sheath does not work well as a leg sheath.

In this photo, the knife is in a Combat Master sheath which is attached to a D-ring. This is a decent placement. However, the keeper strap on this sheath is difficult to snap, especially with gloves on. A velcro keep would be better.

I am thinking about having a Kydex sheath made, or picking up an old pancake flipper to use for ankle placement, but they are hard to come by. Does anybody have any ideas?
Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 12/30/08 03:12 PM

Ya gotta love this description of the Model 16 from the July 1964 issue of Skin Diver magazine:

"Thoroughbred with an edge."

Posted by: Warren_Polidori

Re: A few shots of mine... - 12/30/08 03:16 PM

David,

Just a thought, but maybe give Greg Gutcher a call at Sullivans. They could most likely make you anything you want to your needs. I don't know anything abut diving but it looks like with the amount of gear you have in that photo, functional space is a problem. I believe Greg is taking orders now so give him a try.

Best,
Warren
Posted by: Leatherman

Re: A few shots of mine... - 12/30/08 04:18 PM

Randall sells a nice blackhawk nylon sheath for the 16.
Posted by: TAH

Re: A few shots of mine... - 12/31/08 10:24 AM

Quote:

Ya gotta love this description of the Model 16 from the July 1964 issue of Skin Diver magazine:

"Thoroughbred with an edge."






David,

Thanks for the lead on the article. Here's the front cover...



You can Buy It Now on eBay for $12.99...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Skin-Diver-Magazine-...p3286.m20.l1116
Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/02/09 12:55 AM

Warren and Ben,

I have come to the conclusion that my entire scuba equipment configuration needs a rethink. I have acquired everything piecemeal over the past several years, and I have made the transition from mostly cold water to mostly warm water diving. I may just acquire two different sets of gear, one for cold and one for warm, rather than try to combine everything and compromise.

As for the knife, it is not so much a question of what to keep the knife in but how to attach it to me and how to securely operate the keeper with gloves on. I already have a Blackhawk sheath, but I don't like it. IMO, the Spec Ops sheath has a better configuration. Sullivan's may be an option for a special order, or an ankle sheath may work best. A forum member has graciously agreed to sell me a pancake flipper sheath, which I appreciate very much. I will just have to continue experimenting.

Now, let's see some more 16s!
Posted by: Peter_Kaufman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/03/09 09:45 AM

Here is my new model 16, it came with the nylon Blackhawk sheath.

Peter
Posted by: TAH

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/05/09 09:30 AM

Quote:

I have come to the conclusion that my entire scuba equipment configuration needs a rethink....




I think you should go with all vintage equipment and the leather pancake sheath.



http://www.vintagescubasupply.com/index.html
Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/05/09 01:09 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I have come to the conclusion that my entire scuba equipment configuration needs a rethink....




I think you should go with all vintage equipment and the leather pancake sheath.






Me too! Thanks to Tunefink, I now have a new (old) Pancake Flipper sheath. Pictures will be posted soon.
Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/06/09 12:53 AM

Here it is, my new (old) Pancake Flipper sheath for my Diver, with a little brother. Thanks again Tunefink!

Posted by: TAH

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/06/09 08:33 AM

David,

Good looking sheaths. Do you plan on using either sheath in the water?

The Diver/Pancake has always been one of my favorite RMK offerings. I've always wondered how well the waxed leather would hold up especially in salt water. The closest my #16 gets to water is when I flush the toilet in the other room.
Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/06/09 12:41 PM

Yes, the old Randall sheath will definitely get wet. I would love to see this type of sheath offered again.

I sat down and compared my Flipper sheath to the waxed sheath that came with my latest 16, as well as my nylon Combat Master sheath to a Blackhawk sheath. Overall, the Flipper is my favorite, followed by the Combat Master. Both are very versatile.
Posted by: Topos

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/06/09 12:45 PM

David,

Is it possible to have the sheath waxed [ not in the Agency sense ] by Gregg or find out how it is done? That would add longevity.


Safe and Happy Dives.

John RKS # 5384
Posted by: TAH

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/06/09 01:28 PM

Quote:

Yes, the old Randall sheath will definitely get wet.




Good for you for enjoying the sheath as it was meant to be used. After a few dives, please give us a report on its performance and durability.
Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/06/09 03:18 PM

I will post some underwater shots ASAP. Let's see some more 16s!
Posted by: RKS3860

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/06/09 07:23 PM

some ideas.....

I've been diving since 1970. I am an ex Navy diver, NAUI SCUBA instructor, and commercial diver since '74. I always place a dive knife on my chest, via a harness or vest. The make or size of knife is not important. I tried every option imaginable. I hated ankle carry and waste placement was always difficult to access.
Posted by: 7033grip

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/06/09 07:28 PM

James, that is some straight stuff you just posted.

Post some more.

Dubie Baxter
Posted by: crutchtip

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/06/09 10:04 PM

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/06/09 10:24 PM

Very cool old Randall. Is it stainless? Hard to see the stamp
Posted by: crutchtip

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/06/09 11:08 PM

No stamp with the overwhelming majority of early #16's being stainless steel. It is unlikely you will encounter an early carbon steel #16. Very, very few were made. Think about it, why would you order a carbon dive knife?

Carbon was an "option" so to speak, with stainless being standard, albiet a bit more expensive.
Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/07/09 12:17 AM

I agree with James that ankle placement can be difficult to access, but chest placement scares me. I don't need to accidentally pierce my drysuit.

This is a good configuration, almost like a leg holster for a handgun. I still need to play with it a little more to get it to my liking.



Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/07/09 12:31 AM

This is one of my dive buddies. He's old school.



He spent a lot of time underwater training for a different environment.

Posted by: TAH

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/07/09 09:02 AM

Quote:






Your buddy needs a knife.

Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/07/09 09:24 AM

Quote:

Quote:






Your buddy needs a knife.






You're right. I think I will loan him my Astro when we go diving again this spring. His friend Scott may be on that trip, so maybe he has a spare?

My dive buddy has a serious problem with things going missing (like a certain watch sent to the Smithsonian which never arrived, and canceled checks showing up at autograph auctions), so I don't blame him for carrying an old Tabata dive knife when he travels. But seriously, some traditions must be upheld!
Posted by: RKS3860

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/09/09 07:28 PM

I worked under water so that's the difference.
Posted by: David

Re: A few shots of mine... - 01/31/09 02:25 PM

Getting back on track. Here is a nice 1970s era Model 16. Note the unusual squared off hilt and Johnson Roughback sheath.



Posted by: Burnie

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/31/09 05:06 PM

Here is a model 16, 68-72 MFG. seperate S, unlined thong. W/early sheath marked 16 without the W.
Posted by: lunde

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 06/07/09 11:11 AM

Here is my first #16 SP#1 that I got via a trade. Black Micarta Border Patrol Handle and Nickel Silver #1 Hilt.

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 06/08/09 09:35 AM

Nice Package Ken!!!
Cool photo too!
Tony
Posted by: vklough46

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 06/08/09 11:30 AM

Burnie and Ken.

Great knives.

Thanks for taking the time to post.

Kevin
Posted by: lunde

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 06/09/09 10:21 AM

Here is another #16 SP#1 that arrived just yesterday:



Nickel Silver Hilt and Single Finger Grip Handle made out of Red/Blue Micarta.
Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 06/09/09 10:38 AM

Ken,
I gotta tell ya ... I'm usually not crazy about some of the red micarta out there, but this is REALLY NICE!
Maybe its the blue in it, but I really like it, and the SFG looks great with it and the blade shape!!
Congats,
Tony
Posted by: David

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 06/09/09 02:56 PM

Well done Ken. We have the same tastes.



Posted by: lunde

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 06/09/09 03:43 PM

David,

Nice. I saw that earlier in this thread, but I don't mind seeing it again. Is your SFG #16 SP#1 handle Red or Red/Blue Micarta?

-- Ken
Posted by: Warren_Polidori

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 06/09/09 07:51 PM

Quote:

Nice Package Ken!!!
Cool photo too!
Tony




Tony,

Did you just say Ken had a nice package??? hum

Anyway, Ken you did well with those two 16 SP1's. Forgive my Italian friend for a Freudian slip of the lip. You're on a roll let's see more knives!

Best,
Warren
Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 06/09/09 08:57 PM

NO ... it wasn't the Italian Friend with a Freudian slip ...
it was the American of Italian decent from Westhampton NY with his mind in the gutter!
Father Tony
Posted by: David

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 06/09/09 10:27 PM

Quote:

David,

Nice. I saw that earlier in this thread, but I don't mind seeing it again. Is your SFG #16 SP#1 handle Red or Red/Blue Micarta?

-- Ken




Ken,

Its just red. I have to send it off to the shop for engraving soon. Enjoy yours.

Best,
Posted by: lunde

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 06/20/09 02:13 PM

Here's a better shot of my #16 SP#1:



And, my catalog-configuration #16:

Posted by: lunde

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 11/21/09 10:33 AM

Here is another shot of my #16 SP#1 with Red/Blue Micarta Single Finger Grip handle:

Posted by: Peter_Kaufman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/24/10 07:06 PM

Here is a nice picture of my #16 with the saw teeth, black micarta.

Peter
Posted by: bart

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/25/10 12:22 PM

This may have been beaten to death, but is there any way to tell if an early #16 is carbon or stainless if it is unmarked? Bart RKS#132
Posted by: Skaptch

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/25/10 05:35 PM

Bart, Try running a magnet over it. Sticks = O1, No stick = SS
Cheers.
Posted by: BOB_TEATES

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/25/10 05:39 PM

magnet will stick to both types of steel
Posted by: Doug74

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/25/10 06:24 PM

Quote:

Here is another #16 SP#1 that arrived just yesterday:



Nickel Silver Hilt and Single Finger Grip Handle made out of Red/Blue Micarta.






Ken--where did you get the Red/Blue Micarta.....that stuff looks great?

Thanks,

Doug
Posted by: BoBlade

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/25/10 07:12 PM

Quote:

This may have been beaten to death, but is there any way to tell if an early #16 is carbon or stainless if it is unmarked? Bart RKS#132




Bart,

There is (only) one thing that I will give Crutchtip credit for, and that's his technique for distinguishing S/S from 01: Put a very small droplet of liquid bluing on an inconspicuous place (such as the underside of the choil). If it's S/S it will wipe right off. If it's 01 the bluing will take. Works like a charm!

Best,
Posted by: bart

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/25/10 09:11 PM

Thanks, I had forgotten, oldstimers , or CRS, not sure, Bart RKS#132
Posted by: Perry Miller

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/25/10 10:07 PM

Does anyone know who bought the unmarked 16 black micarta that just ended on ebay? I'd like to see that one in person.
Posted by: Tanasie

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 09/15/10 01:06 PM

Kevin...

I'm adding my Model #16-7 'Special Fighter' to your 'Knife of the Week' thread. This is an eary 90's knife & sheath I recently aquired from SSJP.
Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 09/15/10 01:33 PM

Rex,
GREAT LOOKING MICARTA!
Tony
Posted by: Drshame

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 09/17/10 08:52 AM


How's this look? It was sold to me as a Model 14 SS Spearpoint/Sawtooth and looks identical in my Newbie Eyes to other model 16's here with NS Double Bolsters.
What's the difference and is it in effect, the same knife?
If it was sold as a Model 16..I'd still buy it, I like the design/style very much.
Posted by: tunefink

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 09/17/10 09:08 AM

They are very similar in shape, however, your's has a 7-1/2" blade....the 16 has a 7" blade. The 14 is a little wider as well.

Cool knife! Welcome to the forums!
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 09/17/10 09:17 AM

Absolutely correct Mitchell. The waxed sheath is also different in 2 ways. The Model #14 has the "double stitching" verses single on a Model #16's. The hone pocket is not standard on a Diver's sheath. It gets "really" confusing when you order a Model #14 made up like this one...and waxed "no hone" sheath. The double stitching is still present but the entire package is quite close in look.
One more difference, not shown here is the fact that the #16 is available with the shop-supplied nylon sheath. Although I have had a few #14's slip into this nylon sheath, they are usually too long and almost always too wide. That's a great #14 you've got there and it will work just as well to dive with as the original "Diver's" knife. The same can be said for a Model #15-5 1/2"...Hope this helps.
Best, Capt. Chris
Posted by: Drshame

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 09/17/10 04:05 PM

Mitchell/Capt. Chris:

"Newbie Help" is greatly appreciated.
My Model 14 Spearpoint came with an aftermarket, unmarked, basketweave leather sheath.
But it didn't fit in all the way and stood out about 1/2 an inch!
The sheath in my picture just came from Sullivans, which they had in-stock.
It fits like a glove.
And fits all the way in, as expected.

Again, help appreciated for overwhelmed newbie.
Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 09/17/10 04:08 PM

THAT'S A KILLER 14!!!!
Tony
Posted by: Rob_Schoening

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/02/10 08:39 PM

Here is a #16 "Diver" that was ordered for a Special Forces Diver...sweet knife!
- Rob

Posted by: Rob_Schoening

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/02/10 08:48 PM

#16 "SF"...a cool set up on this one!
- Rob
Posted by: Oldvetnam1

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/03/10 06:59 AM

A couple of real nice knives Rob. Definitely good to have when going into harm's way.
Posted by: Duke

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 12/06/10 01:25 PM

Thanks to the good folks at Randall for getting this #16-SF to me so quickly so that it can be forwarded to a young Marine in Afganistan. I opened it long enough to take a couple of my "continue to be not so good pictures", securely repacked it along with some other things and forwarded it on to its new owner. Hope it helps to keep him and others safe.
Posted by: HALORANGER

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 12/06/10 09:54 PM

Duke I will be keeping an eye open for that Marine toteing that fine weapon. I have only seen a couple RMK's this rotation. Last time I was here in the Stan they were all over the place.
Jimmy
Posted by: Duke

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/02/11 03:11 PM

another #16-SF that will head out to Afganistan this week. I'm still about 18 mos. away from the one that I've ordered for myself and can't wait. Man, these really feel outstanding and increadibly strong.

The WW1 helmet was worn by my grandpa who was the trigger man on a Browning, water cooled machinegun in the 314th Mach. Bat.
Seemed like an appropriate background.
Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/02/11 03:43 PM

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/02/11 04:46 PM


Posted by: Oldvetnam1

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/02/11 07:23 PM

Those are a couple of great looking knives. They will definitely be a plus for those going into Harm's Way.
Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/02/11 07:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Oldvetnam1
Those are a couple of great looking knives. They will definitely be a plus for those going into Harm's Way.


I agree, If there was a way to improve the classic Model #1 its to make it a full tang, add stainless and a sweet micarta handle!
Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/02/11 08:32 PM

Duke,
Nice #16 ... and excellent photo!
Ben,
Your 16 looks cool with the green micarta! Great looking leather sheath!!!!!!!
Tony
Posted by: mic214

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 04/12/11 03:38 PM

This is my Model 16 that I got used at a local knife show back in the mid 80's. The sheath was pretty worn, so I replaced it with a nylon sheath from Eagle Industries:

Posted by: ChadHelpling

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/15/11 08:38 PM

This is my first ordered knife, courtesy of Capt Chris. I really like this set up, and I hope to get out on, and in, the water with it. I grabbed the nylon sheath also, what a beast. The etching commemorates the order date of my first. Heck of a turnaround by Capt Chris, thanks!
Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/15/11 09:55 PM

Orange you lucky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...Seriously ... another great looking Randall!
Tony
Posted by: Peter_Kaufman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/15/11 10:01 PM

You get all of the great orange knives smile

Peter
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/08/12 02:04 PM

Piddeling around this morning....
Thought I would post up my 16.
It was given to me by Santa somewhere around 1963 or so.
I made THE mistake of sending it to the shop to remove all the stories.....They did a very good job!!
Wish I had not done it...this for those who consider such actions.
I guess that it would not be bad if the knife was not yours from the start...
:-)Rocky
Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/08/12 02:36 PM

Still, Rocky ...
a beautiful Oldie But Goodie!
Black Tenite???
Tony
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/08/12 03:51 PM

I was going to say something about that...sure looks black in the photos, however it's as green as it gets.
:-)R
Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/08/12 07:14 PM

Ok. Thanks!
Tony
Posted by: Rick Magee

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/09/12 08:00 AM

A really cool Randall!
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/11/12 08:03 AM

I went to this thread to look at some 16's....
I am going to order one from the shop next week.
Where are all the 16's....must not be a very popular model.
:-)Rocky
Posted by: boardrider

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/12/12 05:52 PM

Hope this is in the right forum...I have heard that Johnson stamped a "W" on his waxed sheaths that he made for the model #16, supposedly this was done staring in the early 1970s

I have a model #16 black micarta handle, brass lined thong hole with no "W" on the waxed sheath (the sheath is identicle to a Brown Micarta unlined thong hole version vietnam era #16 knife and Johnson waxed sheath that I also have)

My question is the lined thong hole would date the knife to later 70s at the earliest, right and I know that the knife and sheath have been a pair since new so what gives?

"Is this just first in last out" or am I missing something...Thanks in advance for any help I may recieve here.

By the way Rocky that is quite the nice Tennite!
Posted by: DUH120

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/12/12 07:23 PM

Griff your website doesn"t load
Posted by: alf

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/14/12 10:55 AM

I know what you mean about not very popular, only 13 pages of discussion and photos...well, let me do my part, even if a rotten cell phone pic..
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/14/12 09:01 PM

Alf,
Thanks....We may have to start a page for the most unpopular Randall!!!
Posted by: alf

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/15/12 06:49 PM

Rocky, there is already a page for that...it's called the Model 17, so naturally it is the one i will be getting next
Posted by: boardrider

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/16/12 12:22 PM

Still nobody knows about the apperance of the "W" on the sheath that I asked about above?
Posted by: alf

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/16/12 11:12 PM

you might try starting a new thread on that query as this is old old and people periodically just add to it
Posted by: Tanasie

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/21/12 12:08 PM

Griff...
I found this tidbit of info on 'W' waxed sheath's in Sheldon's book .
Posted by: boardrider

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/21/12 08:16 PM

Rex, Thank you for that! I have Sheldons book and somehow missed that paragraph...That said ole "Melvin" is certainly correct the majority of the time and I will believe that information. THANKS AGAIN
Posted by: FBUSMC

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 07/30/12 07:17 PM

just got these two in. my first Randall, after always being a Busse user, decided to get a number 14 and 16... Here are my new babies, but not my last... Lunde's 16 SF looks sweet smile



Posted by: Steven

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 07/30/12 07:29 PM

Not to shabby, nice start to a lifetime addiction.
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 07/30/12 07:48 PM

Yep, you are in trouble now. Very nice "first" Randalls. PS, there are no "bad" Randalls.

Pap
Posted by: Billy Poyner

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 07/30/12 08:24 PM

FBUSMC
Welcome to a great brotherhood,
Like Pappy said there are no bad Randalls, if so they were not born that way!!!


Billy Poyner
RKCC-CM 021
RKS#5030
MM
Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 07/31/12 08:05 AM

WELCOME!
Great Start. I like the look of the green micarta on your 16.
Enjoy,
Tony
Posted by: Skeetdoc

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/02/12 02:45 PM

Posterity Post:

Model 16 SF. Nickel Hilt. Red Micarta.
Posted by: Skeetdoc

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/02/12 05:31 PM

Front:
Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/02/12 11:22 PM

I'm a busse lover myself. Welcome to Randall knives!
Posted by: David

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/03/12 06:01 PM

Doug,

Your Model 16 SPF looks familiar.

Posted by: Skeetdoc

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/03/12 10:06 PM

David:

Looks like the same batch of Red Micarta!
Posted by: David

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/22/12 10:31 PM

I absolutely love my 16 SPF. I used it on an expedition last year and it was perfect. It is one of my favorite RMKs.
Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 11/17/12 07:10 PM

Posted by: Tom Vaught

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 11/17/12 07:18 PM

First Randall I ever bought for myself was a Model #16 that I ordered thru Tom Clinton. Has my name on it so it is a keeper for life.

I have others that I use more but that model was still "My First Randall".

Always enjoy reading your posts, David.

Tom Vaught
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 11/18/12 06:58 AM

First Randall I ever had was a #16 as well, given to me by Santa Clause christmas of 1966...maybe 1967...still have it.
:-)Rocky
Posted by: tunefink

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 11/18/12 10:09 AM

Fun knife facts:

The model 16 SP1 Fighter began as a dealer special offered by Doug Kenefick.

This one is stamped K 16. "Kenefick 16"



Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 11/18/12 02:26 PM

what year? I remember reading that it was available to those in the know years before it hit the catalog, mostly for soldiers.
Posted by: tunefink

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 11/18/12 02:39 PM

I don't know the specific year, but I understand it was the late 70's.
Posted by: Byrdguy

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 11/18/12 06:18 PM

Any idea of how many were made?? That's a beautiful example.
Posted by: tunefink

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 11/18/12 06:50 PM

Thanks Pat,

I am not sure how many were made...... I'm guessing a good many, but this is the only one I have had my hands on.

Cap....any thoughts?
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 11/18/12 07:16 PM

I didn't think they were that early. The example you show looks more like mid 80's than 70's. Of course, you know what stone, etc. the collateral equipment was...I don't. I also don't think the numbers were quite large, as proof in fact by the small amount of them out there.
We haven't heard from "Crutch" on this. I "KNOW" how much he loves the sixteen special fighter!!
Best, Capt. Chris
Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 11/18/12 08:19 PM

The 16 sf is a tough knife, I've been beating on mine for the past week and it takes a lickin n keeps on tickin!
Posted by: Byrdguy

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 11/18/12 09:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Leatherman
The 16 sf is a tough knife, I've been beating on mine for the past week and it takes a lickin n keeps on tickin!


As do all Randalls, those that are used, anyway!!
Posted by: Ortega BVT

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/25/13 03:58 PM

Indestructible! wink

Posted by: TAH

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/25/13 09:50 PM

Stefano,

Great looking knife and photo. Well done! smile
Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/25/13 09:51 PM

OUTSTANDING!
Posted by: Litch

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/26/13 05:24 AM

Very nice, Stefano! I like both - your knife and the picture smile
Posted by: Daniele

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/26/13 05:28 AM

wow!!
it has everything you could want from a diver's/combat knife...
and it's a beauty!!!
Posted by: Daniele

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/26/13 05:34 AM

and also a beautiful photo!
I think I'll have to take lessons from you ... grin
best,
Posted by: Ortega BVT

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/26/13 03:46 PM

Thank you to everyone for the kind comments! smile
Posted by: Matthias

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/10/14 05:25 PM

My new Special Fighter:

Posted by: TAH

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/10/14 05:46 PM

Nice! That's just a great looking knife. First word that pops into my mind is SOLID.
Posted by: Matthias

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/28/14 08:10 AM

My next Special Fighter!

This one with extras: nickel silver hilt, border patrol handle and waxed c-style sheath.

Matt

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/28/14 08:38 AM

A Beauty!!!!!
Posted by: Litch

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/29/14 07:02 AM

Very nice, Matthias smile
I like the way the curves of the BPH continue to the choil and the cutout on the spine ...
Posted by: Duke

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/30/14 12:02 AM

A Real Beauty!
Posted by: crutchtip

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/30/14 09:08 AM

Low "S" with black waxed sheath in mint condition
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/30/14 09:24 AM

Great example Joe. It has "EVERYTHING" going for it! I've picked up a couple of rare/scarce examples over the past year. As soon as I'm done "mending" (broke my toe-fifth digit/sideways yesterday) I'll get some photos up.
Thanks, Capt. Chris
Posted by: tunefink

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/30/14 11:31 AM

Nice piece Joe..... that is the first waxed black sheath I ever recall seeing.
Posted by: Byrdguy

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/30/14 12:11 PM

Probably looks like a plum by now, Cap!! I've done that myself. I guess this means we won't be seeing you on dancing with the Stars, then?? Dang.
Posted by: Byrdguy

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/30/14 12:13 PM

Yeah, the Cap is right on that one, Joe. Everything about it is great. I just noticed the unlined thong hole with the leather thong. Sweet!
Posted by: Ralf4011

Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/30/14 07:29 PM

My #16 Special Fighter bought in 1997
Posted by: Tom Vaught

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 09/01/14 05:40 PM

Sweet Ralf4011.

Really like the single finger groove micarta on that style of knife.

Tom V.
Posted by: Doug74

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/12/14 04:51 PM

Slotted handle material provided by Jim Behring (and cut perfectly). Nickel-Silver Squared Top hilt.

Mini also purchased from Jim.
Posted by: Ronnie

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/12/14 08:54 PM

Doug who made that mini 14/15?
Posted by: Doug74

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/12/14 09:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Ronnie
Doug who made that mini 14/15?


I sure wish I knew....it is unmarked. However, the workmanship is exceptional!
Posted by: Ronnie

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/12/14 10:20 PM

Wanna get rid of it?
Posted by: Doug74

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/12/14 11:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Ronnie
Wanna get rid of it?


I actually thought about letting it go a couple weeks ago.....but, just couldn't find the strength......I'm good at buying but not letting go.....I think I have a little bit of a hoarding problem with my collection.
Posted by: Ronnie

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/12/14 11:51 PM

I picked one very similar a few years ago at the Blade Show and have since found another but from a different maker....I think. Anyway I liked yours so I thought I would ask. Thanks for the reply.
Posted by: TAH

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/13/14 08:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Doug74
Mini also purchased from Jim.


Doug,

How long is that little dude?
Posted by: Doug74

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/13/14 04:55 PM

Originally Posted By: TAH
Originally Posted By: Doug74
Mini also purchased from Jim.


Doug,

How long is that little dude?


Hi Tom...my photo is a little deceptive below.....but, it's right at 2 3/4".

Posted by: TAH

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/13/14 04:58 PM

Thanks Doug. That's a pretty cool addition to anyone's collection.
Posted by: Ronnie

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/13/14 08:35 PM

Really a neat little knife.
Posted by: Richard1

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/17/15 09:59 PM

Here is my bead blasted Model 16. This one rides with me in the truck! I havent been able to get my hands on a VST Series yet.
Posted by: tunefink

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/17/15 10:03 PM

Who did the blasting Richard?

Rob and crew have quit producing the VST's as far as I know......
Posted by: Billy Poyner

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/18/15 09:57 PM

Here are some 16's you might like
Posted by: Billy Poyner

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/18/15 10:24 PM

Here are two more!!
Posted by: GHD

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/05/15 05:45 PM

Served me well !
Posted by: Cut it out

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/05/15 07:06 PM

Very nice! Looks like it was a good companion for sure!! My biggest regret in life is not serving our country. I can only imagine serving with a Randall by your side.
Posted by: Billy Poyner

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/05/15 08:49 PM

Cut it out,
The way I see it.You support our military so you are serving our country!!!
Posted by: Cut it out

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/05/15 09:00 PM

Thanks Bill. Both my grandfathers served and my dad. I always felt like I broke the tradition. My one grand father served in ww2 and Koreanwar and just passed this year at 90 years old. I was so proud of that man and his story. He was so proud to be a marine. He wore his marine ring and flew the marine flag on his porch till the end.
Posted by: CrazyCajun

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/05/15 09:12 PM

Agreed... Not every generation can serve in uniform... but tradition, respect for community, culture, and development of future generations... serves our COUNTRY!
Posted by: Wally

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/05/15 10:19 PM

Supporting the troops can be done many ways, and the soldiers themselves are always ready to tell you how much they appreciate it. This is a cookout some volunteers put together for some soldiers at Ft. Jackson. They're off duty, so some are in civvies.

Here a couple of Randall Knives have been presented to soldiers in their unit that have served over 20 years. The knives were factory etched with their name and rank. The money for the knives was raised by volunteers.
Posted by: Cut it out

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/05/15 10:46 PM

Very nice Wally......
Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/16/15 05:41 PM

How about this beautiful Model 16 Diver with waxed pancake sheath? Not everyday that you can find them with perfect rubber straps either!
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/16/15 07:47 PM

Wowza!!!

Pap
Posted by: Billy Poyner

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/23/15 11:22 PM

Sweet 16.I hope you like it as much as I do !!!
Posted by: dld

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/28/15 05:56 PM

here is my #16, I got it in 1986 along with a #3-5
Posted by: tunefink

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 10/28/15 06:20 PM

Cool old pancake DLD. Thanks for posting up.
Posted by: Yonder

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 04/01/16 08:55 AM

Is/has the 16#1 Special Fighter been offered in an 8" blade?
Posted by: tunefink

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 04/01/16 09:11 AM

No sir, just the stock 7". I have seen model #16's in shorter lengths, but not the SP16.
Posted by: W Polidori

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 04/01/16 09:12 AM

Rod,

Not as a catalog offering as I am aware. As with all things Randall, there's always the possibility of a "one-off" floating around somewhere.
Posted by: Yonder

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 04/01/16 10:40 AM

I was envisioning an 8" with saw/no saw teeth and border patrol handle in green micarta with brass double hilt. Plenty of other choices though.
Posted by: W Polidori

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 04/01/16 10:55 AM

Rod,

That's doable in a Model 1-8. Same blade as the 16 just not full tang. You'll have to supply the micarta if you're looking for green. The Captain may be able to help you. He had some jade green a while back but I don't know if he's got any left.
Posted by: Yonder

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 04/01/16 01:11 PM

Yes, aware the Model 1 can be done like that. Thanks though.
Posted by: Eric

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 04/15/16 11:09 AM

Originally Posted By: tunefink
No sir, just the stock 7". I have seen model #16's in shorter lengths, but not the SP16.


Mitchel, This SP16 example I have has a 6 3/4" blade.
Posted by: W Polidori

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 04/17/16 10:08 PM

Eric,
I missed your post. Those small sawteeth are sweet,also is that handle material customer supplied? Overall great package, hold onto that one.
Posted by: Eric

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 04/18/16 07:08 AM

Originally Posted By: W Polidori
Eric,
I missed your post. Those small sawteeth are sweet,also is that handle material customer supplied? Overall great package, hold onto that one.


It is on Page 29 (P288) of Stidham's 1991 green catalog

6 3/4" Stainless with fine sawteeth. Stainless Model 1 Style double hilt. Maroon micarta (I think supplied by the shop) with 14 style handle. This was supposedly an RMK Shop employee dive team knife. I had no idea Randall ever had an employee dive team.
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 04/18/16 09:26 AM

There were 10, 6 inch divers knives, made for employees who scuba dived. This was in the late 80's, I believe. I never saw one that long, but...Hey: custom made knives...
They also had jackets made by Tom Clinton and had the large Randall patches on the back. (The ones that Tom sold for years)
Hope this helps...& maybe Scott can clarify the date, etc.
Capt. Chris
Posted by: Attila Mezzini

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 06/01/16 11:38 AM

the one on the right has a C style tight stich smoothback Johnson sheath.
Posted by: Birdsinhere2

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 06/01/16 12:19 PM

I have a 16 with that same tight stitched, smooth back Johnson sheath. Seems like I've seen them mostly on 16s.
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 02/21/17 08:17 PM

WoW!! the overlooked 16....
Received my new 16....50+ years after my first one.
Grind appears to be very similar...given my new one has teeth!!
interesting comparison...
:-)Rocky
Posted by: tunefink

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 02/21/17 08:19 PM

Black or green tenite Rocky? Sheath?????
Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 02/21/17 09:45 PM

Green!!
I had to let my sheath go with one I was selling for my dad a few years ago...
Can't do anything about that now, just is what it is....
always looking, never finding...pancake, had a leather keeper..
found a photo....
:-)Rocky
Posted by: tunefink

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 02/21/17 10:06 PM

Very nice Rocky. I will keep an eye out for a sheath....
Posted by: Peter_Kaufman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/25/17 01:25 PM

Just in today, Capt Chris plucked it off of a tree in Orlando for me. ns 14 style hilt with 18 holes. It matches my Jeep smile
Thanks Capt Chris and the guys in the shop for another great Randall

Peter
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/25/17 01:34 PM

Wow Peter, are you going to attach it to the roll bar? That would look way cool.

Pap
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/25/17 01:52 PM

OMG!!! Boy-Howdy! Am I gonna' get calls for one of these!
Super nice Peter. Thanks for the order.
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris
Posted by: W Polidori

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/25/17 02:36 PM

Too cool Peter, congrats.
Posted by: GCTom41

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/25/17 05:19 PM

Peter that is a great knife!

Tom Flynn
Posted by: rodbrown

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/25/17 05:36 PM

Great looking knife Peter. If it was mine, I would lose it when I put it on the hood my Jeep.
Posted by: pyronaute

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/25/17 08:28 PM

Very attractive knife all around!
Best part is the handle shape - Border Patrol, but the most subtle I've ever seen.

I know someone who wants this shape BPH on a #14. How do I accurately describe it so it is shaped as nearly exactly as this is? (Standard black or green Micarta is his preference, so I'm not seeking the oh so elusive orange G-10/Micarta handle material.)
Posted by: Dirty_Water

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/25/17 10:05 PM

Cap, I can indeed clarify this one w/o a doubt...

There were in fact 6 made (the first ever Maroon Micarta) for the "Randall Dive Team" as we called ourselves...9 employees (a few spouses were among the 9) with one outsider to fill the class)...

There were 4 BPH handles, one SFG and one with the four-finger grooves...MINE...the one Eric now owns was indeed the one made to my specifications, but alas, I could not afford this in 1984...so Jack Crider took possession for an extra few bucks for me...

I have only sold 2 knives away and regret them both terribly, but at least my Commemorative went for the down payment on my first house and has been a great investment over the years...
Posted by: Peter_Kaufman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/25/17 10:40 PM

Thanks for the comments guys
I just specified BPH,and it is more subtle than most of my other knives with BPH. I don't know why other than the knives are all hand made. I do like orange smile

Peter
Posted by: BladesNBarrels

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/26/17 10:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Peter_Kaufman
Just in today, Capt Chris plucked it off of a tree in Orlando for me. ns 14 style hilt with 18 holes. It matches my Jeep smile
Thanks Capt Chris and the guys in the shop for another great Randall

Peter


Now that combination belongs in Bronco Country!
Great looking knife and vehicle combo!
Posted by: tunefink

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 09/09/17 06:07 PM

This is an interesting knife. It has a few odd things about it.

It's a 1964-ish Model #16 Diver with a Low S stamp.

The sheath is a pancake style which was common on the 16, but it has a stone pouch which is not common.

It has a tenite handle, but what makes that odd is that Low S knives were usually considered past the tenite handle period.

The tenite is secured using the single screw, filled hole method, usually seen on brown and black micarta.... very unusual.

Last is the etching on the back of the blade. There is the owner's name, but also the blade has been etched as a ruler. You can see the numbers 1 thru 6 from the tip to the hilt. Of course the hilt is 7"

Joe Dorsky and I discussed it and he recalled some guys that were abalone divers using these and using the ruler to size the catch in some way.

All in all a pretty cool knife.







Posted by: Chief

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/31/18 09:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Peter_Kaufman
Just in today, Capt Chris plucked it off of a tree in Orlando for me. ns 14 style hilt with 18 holes. It matches my Jeep smile
Thanks Capt Chris and the guys in the shop for another great Randall

Peter


Orange still available? If so from where?
Posted by: Peter_Kaufman

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 01/31/18 10:21 PM

Chief
I found two slotted blocks a few years ago and had this 16 made and I have a Buxton fighter coming with the other block.
I don't currently know of a source for more.
Sorry I am not more help
Peter
Posted by: mic214

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 05/05/18 06:11 PM

This is the Model 16 that I picked up at a knife show back in the early 80's. I did a bit of ocean kayaking back then and this was my main blade for that:



I gave it to my son-in-law on the day he married our daughter. They used it to cut the cake:

Posted by: Eric

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/08/18 02:48 PM

#16 with Pancake Sheath with DACOR rubber O-ring. 1980's rig is my guess.
Posted by: Steel6

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 08/09/18 10:09 AM

1980's vintage with pancake sheath. Strap keeper loop sewn onto the tab that holds the rubber ring.
Posted by: Eric

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/02/19 01:59 PM

Recently purchased off of eBay. #16 with etched logo and an interesting handle configuration of red and yellow micarta.
Posted by: ROBERT MCINTOSH

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/02/19 03:00 PM

Interested to hear more on this one.
Could it be a rehandle
Posted by: pappy19

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/02/19 03:01 PM

Nice find.

Pap
Posted by: W Polidori

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/02/19 03:21 PM

Etched trademark, very nice Eric.
Posted by: crutchtip

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/02/19 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By: ROBERT MCINTOSH
Interested to hear more on this one.
Could it be a rehandle


No "could be" about it. Most definitely a re-handle
Posted by: Dirty_Water

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/02/19 03:38 PM

Dave Griffin rehandle...very nice!
Posted by: Eric

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/02/19 03:49 PM

Thanks all, the rehandle is very comfortable.

DW, Feels like a Griffin handle.
Posted by: Chief

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/02/19 04:55 PM

Wish that handle would come back.
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/02/19 04:58 PM

It will...When Dave Griffin comes back! He made it in his home shop, after leaving RMK.
Best, Capt. Chris
Posted by: Chief

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/02/19 05:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback
It will...When Dave Griffin comes back! He made it in his home shop, after leaving RMK.
Best, Capt. Chris


We need to put at least a 10 minute rule on dream crushing lol!
Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/02/19 06:01 PM

I thought we were stopping dreamers at the border?
No?
Capt. Chris
Posted by: W Polidori

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/02/19 06:05 PM

Last time Chief told me he'd call me back in 10 minutes; ahh more like 10 days.
Posted by: Chief

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/02/19 08:01 PM

I'm at the rodeo.........couple of clowns! LOL
Posted by: Matthias

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/08/20 08:10 AM

My Diver's......

First one in standard configuration. The other one with squared nickel silver hilt.




Posted by: Matthias

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 02/11/21 02:37 PM

New Special Fighter:

Posted by: TAH

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 02/11/21 04:45 PM

What a beautiful knife and work of art. Great photo!
Posted by: OPSECCC

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/31/21 12:01 PM

I need help with dating nylon sheaths. What is the date the black nylon sheath with a white vertical right facing logo background RMK Logo in black stitching. The white background Logo patch is a rectangle and on the back of the sheath.
Posted by: OPSECCC

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/31/21 12:02 PM

This is the sheath.
Posted by: OPSECCC

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 03/31/21 01:06 PM

These are mine. Wanting a nylon sheath to date match my 80's knife.
Posted by: Matthias

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 04/10/22 12:10 PM

My Diver with a new Kydex sheath:



Posted by: Kirko

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 04/10/22 07:20 PM

Whoa ! Nice !
Posted by: Windsor

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 11/13/22 11:17 PM

I ordered a SP1 from the shop back in late 2015 and it arrived in June of 2019. The next year I gave it to my brother for his 50th birthday.

I finally got around to ordering the replacement with Capt. Chris this past April, picked it up at the Tulsa show a couple of days ago.

Posted by: Shoot870p

Re: Knife Of The Week Model 16 - 11/14/22 01:24 AM

Nice ! Very nice.
Walker