This Old Randall

Posted by: ronan

Re: This Old Randall - 09/27/07 05:54 PM

Quote:

DAMN!
-You're right.
I've never seen a small Model #5, so had to go back to the catalog to look!

I think I like it--maybe put it on my short list to order in the future.
-Steve

Yep, the model 5-4 is very similar, but different enough !

ronan.

Posted by: michianaman

Re: This Old Randall - 09/27/07 06:36 PM

#12 Confederate

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 09/27/07 06:42 PM

Brown buttons and stag....My favorite combination.

Dubie

Posted by: michianaman

Re: This Old Randall - 09/27/07 07:20 PM

#7 5"

Posted by: EDO

Re: This Old Randall - 09/28/07 06:12 AM

Quote:

One more old Fighter! 50's #1-8......

Nice Sweet fighter!
Remember....Ciao

Posted by: Hugh_Clark

Re: This Old Randall - 09/28/07 11:50 AM

Ivory Mdl 7's:

Mdl 4's:

Mdl 7's:

Mdl 8's:

Posted by: Cabinet_Man

Re: This Old Randall - 09/28/07 01:28 PM

Quote:

-You're right.
I've never seen a small Model #5, so had to go back to the catalog to look! I think I like it--maybe put it on my short list to order in the future.
-Steve

Steve,
I like them very much myself. They are, in my opinion, the perfect B&T knife. I have noticed that people sometimes buy various models dependant soley upon their name. I think they should step back and look at the design/purpose for needing the knife and go from there. I have often wondered if Randall did not "name" the models, but simply "numbered" them instead, how many would buy the #8 over the #5 for a B&T knife. I personally have always used a blade that is much more narrow than the model 8, and was a bit hesitant on buying my first one. Now after I have had and used it, I love it, but still think the narrow model 5 is a good choice for this sort of thing. The names of the various models are sort of like car names, and don't really apply to their functionality... the 26 is a "pathfinder", the 27 a "Trail blazer", etc. I think if the model 5-4 was called the B&T, and the model 8 the "camp knife", people would buy the 5-4 and never think twice about it. It is a great little knife indeed.
~dale

Posted by: Cabinet_Man

Re: This Old Randall - 09/28/07 01:31 PM

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#7 5"
--------------------
Jeffery Conklin
RKS#1700

What a spectacular old model 7! I like the 7's and the 8's a lot, and have only a few of each myself as I try to get others from various periods so each are a bit different. I have never seen one like yours before. That is very nice Jeff.
~dale

Posted by: Cabinet_Man

Re: This Old Randall - 09/28/07 01:36 PM

Hugh,
Very impressive collection! I have looked and looked at your photos. I am very envious (in a good way-ha) of your vast assortment of 7's. What is the handle on the 4th one down on the left? It looks to be textured like checkering on a gun stock... very unusual and I imagine quite a nice grip when holding it too.

~dale

Posted by: michianaman

Re: This Old Randall - 09/28/07 01:38 PM

Outstanding knives Hugh..

Posted by: michianaman

Re: This Old Randall - 09/28/07 01:56 PM

No.4-7"

Posted by: Hugh_Clark

Re: This Old Randall - 09/28/07 02:40 PM

Dale,
That was my first Randall, I ordered it at the Randall shop in 1963 and received it 12 months later! It has an Ebony handle that I checkered myself, gives a very good non-slip grip. You can see a close up pic of it on the "Lets see some hunters" thread.

In retrospect, at the time I couldn't decide on Ivory or Ebony, the shop employee warned me that they couldn't guarantee the Ivory against cracking, and besides, the Ebony was only $5 extra while the Ivory was $10 extra. Since I was sinking the princely sum of $31 into it already, I decided not to splurge on the extra $5! How many times have I regretted that decision!!!

Posted by: Cabinet_Man

Re: This Old Randall - 09/28/07 02:57 PM

Quote:

sum of $31

--------------------
Hugh Clark

Hugh,
Ha! I can understand beating yourself up for not going with the ivory, but the handle you chose is very nice too. If you do get to where it bothers you every time you look at though, just know that any time you want your money back out of it, that you don't have to even call first to ask... just box it up and send it to me, I'll take it!

Just kidding of course, and good job on the checkering too. From the pics I've seen of other things you've done in the past, you are quite talented indeed.

~dale

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 09/30/07 01:01 PM

I have quite a few photos of old Randalls on my hard drive. Every now and then I'm going to throw up an interesting one on this thread. Here's the first. This knife came up on e-bay a year or two ago. I sniped but it went to a higher bidder for (I think) around $800. There was no "Randall" in the auction title because the knife is not Randall stamped (The name you see was the only marking). My question to you guys is do you think the knife was shop made and if so what era and why?

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 09/30/07 08:32 PM

Joe,

I see what you mean about the blade grind: Early 50's would have deeper choils. Too bad we'll probably never know the story behind this one.

Posted by: Sheldon_Wickersham

Re: This Old Randall - 10/01/07 09:58 AM

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/01/07 12:40 PM

Here's a nice old #1-6.Hope you enjoy.Great knives posted so far.Thanks for keeping it going.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 10/01/07 01:36 PM

Quote:

Late 40's was right then.

I've only seen that keeper snap on one Heiser sheath before. It's on a bunch of old holsters I have.

NEAT !!!!!

Dubie

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 10/01/07 02:16 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330165013203

Posted by: Cabinet_Man

Re: This Old Randall - 10/01/07 04:33 PM

Cool, that's a nice, and unique snap (at least to me as I have not ever seen one like that before).
~dale

Posted by: 45govt

Re: This Old Randall - 10/01/07 06:48 PM

BigJim,

Strange question I know, but is that a 457193 bullet supporting the knife in your photo?? Probably not but the flat nose looks like it, its probably just a pistol bullet, but I had to ask.

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/01/07 07:20 PM

Hey Don,
I wondered if anyone would comment on the bullet.
I put it under the knife so the light would be less reflective.
The bullet is a 265 grain sized .379 for Winchester 1885 Single Shot in .38-55.
I use the 330 grain .45-90 bullets for Bowies.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: 45govt

Re: This Old Randall - 10/01/07 08:35 PM

Thanks Jim,

I just happen to have a 1885 Highwall Schuetzen myself, well I sold to my dad, but you know.

I was shooting a Hudson bullet in mine that worked pretty well breach seated ahead of the case with 4227.

Posted by: Swordsman

Re: This Old Randall - 10/01/07 10:02 PM

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"Very interesting knife...PAUGUK is a horrible phantom of human bones devoid of skin with firey eyes! The appearance of which presages Death!"

""the eyes of Pauguk Glare upon me in the darkness, I can feel his icy fingers Clasping mine amid the darkness! Hiawatha! Hiawatha!" (Henry Wadsworth Longfellow)

The two quotes about are from the "Song of Hiawatha"

In reality most of the indian tribes had a different opinion of Pauguk vs the white man Longfellow.

"The cosmology of certain eastern Native American tribes placed two powerful manitous, representatives of the Great Spirit, on duty in the Land of the Departed. One of the manitous, Chibiabos, was master over the realm of the dead and escorted the newly arriving souls into their new environment. Sometimes there was a process of judgment involved, in which the worthy souls would be allowed to dwell in the Land of the Departed and the unworthy would be set adrift in space. The other manitou, Pauguk, protected the realm of the dead from unwelcome intruders with his bow and arrows."

Protected the dead from unwelcome intruders?

"The Ojibwa would work hard during their life in their time to build a great store house of Spirits so they could enjoy their life in the Land of the Shadows or "Ponemah". To prepare for this great event in their lives they formed a great ceremony around the burial of one of their loved ones. They made great preparations for the Ojibwa spirit of death called "Pauguk". When he came to call one of their loved ones, a great feast was prepared and the preparation of the body begun."

A great feast was prepared? They did not run away in fear?

"Many Native American tribes believed that spirits of the dead lingered among the living until certain rites had been performed that would aid the spirits in their passage to the other world. Among the Ogallala Sioux, it was maintained that the spirit of the dead passed into the spirit world, by degrees, at the completion of necessary rituals that became the duty of the deceased person's family. Like fleeting shadows, the spirits of the dead slowly migrated to the Land of the Grandparents, gaining strength for their journey from the energy received from their living relatives, who performed a long and demanding rite known as the Shadow or Ghost Ceremony. The time needed to complete the ritual successfully could amount to as long as two years, during which period the immediate family and close relatives endured great privation to ensure the safe passage of the departed spirit."

Just my opinion, but the knife could have been made for a Native American warrior at one time prior to going to war. Which war, (based on Joe's evaluation) might be the Vietnam war.

In my opinion not a CIA Spook's knife but possibly a warrior's knife.

Tom V.

Posted by: boardrider

Re: This Old Randall - 10/01/07 11:03 PM

Tom, Very interesting, I'm sure some of my Sioux Forefathers would agree.

Griff Snyder
RKS #63

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 09:39 AM

Here's a pretty little Fisherman-Hunter that came up on e-bay about 3 years ago. Any comments?

Posted by: Stephen RKS 5536

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 11:05 AM

What does that stone say on it? What are the demensions of the stone?

Posted by: Stephen RKS 5536

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 11:09 AM

Joe,

Nice model 1 from the 40's! Do you have the original sheath?? If so, what does it look like?

Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 11:18 AM

Ron, I have always liked the Model #7.
Heres mine:

...only one I have ever seen with finger grips.
-Steve

Posted by: Stephen RKS 5536

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 11:18 AM

IMO its from 1946-47 based on the thick spacers, brown button snaps, right handed sheath, and sheath rivets.

Posted by: Cabinet_Man

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 11:42 AM

Quote:

Here's a pretty little Fisherman-Hunter that came up on e-bay about 3 years ago. Any comments?
--------------------
Ron Mathews
RKS No. 4223

No useful comments, but ones of appreciation for sure. My favorite model is the 8 just because of the overall shape of the blade, but the 7 is close behind (when it comes down to it, more like tied

). It has the graceful shape of a model 3, but being so delicate makes it a great user design. The ones I have are so light and well balanced that they are a pleasure to hold and use. There's no real effort needed to use them. One thing I have noticed about the guards on these older knives, like this one, is that they have a slight upward sweep to them where you put your thumb (haven't seen this look on the new ones). The last older 7 that I added has the same shape to the guard on it... reminds me of the old Scagel look. I love it! There are lots of interesting things about the knife you posted, the handle (ivory?), the pin, spacers, and the sheath jump right out at you. Do you have this knife in your collection? Although I cannot comment on when it was made, it's most definitely a nice one.

~dale

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 11:45 AM

Guys,
GREAT KNIVES!! Thanks for posting them..
Ron,
Is the sheath Heiser or Moore? The stone pocket flap seems to follow the contour of the button.I think it's Heiser because the Moore sheaths followed closer to the button???
Great knife..
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 11:45 AM

Quote:

What does that stone say on it? What are the demensions of the stone?

IMO that is the rarest of all Randall stones "Black label No.1 Washita Pen Knife Piece". I've only seen three of them. Coincidentally all with ivory handled Field Knives from the '47'- 48 timeframe.

Quote:

Ron, I have always liked the Model #7.
Heres mine:

Killer knife, Steve!

I'm looking for at least one more comment. Anyone else?

Thanks

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 11:48 AM

Dale: Not in my collection, but I know where it is.

Jim: THAT'S the comment I was looking for: MOORE sheath!

Posted by: Cabinet_Man

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 11:48 AM

Steve,
That's a beautiful example of an old 7 too. You guys have got me wishing I had a little extra money to spend, I'd go shopping for one.

~dale

Posted by: Cabinet_Man

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 11:51 AM

Ron,
From this angle it looks like a model 4.
~dale

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 11:57 AM

Ron,
That's what's so great about seeing these oldies.I wish we could handle them as that's the way to really learn.
Most of the Moore sheaths I've seen have less leather around the button.The sheath I saw last week looked almost identical,at first I thought Moore,stamped Heiser.
Great learning.....
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 12:16 PM

Allow me to backtrack a bit: I "think" it's a Moore! I didn't keep any other pic of the backside of the sheath. I'm going to have to check with a guy and I'll get back to you guys.

Dale: For sure a "7" (Both 3's & 4's still had a bit of an upsweep during that era.

Best,

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 01:07 PM

You know, Guys: I just LOVE it when I have to eat some of my own words! I talked to the guy who bought the knife and sheath off of e-bay: That Model 7 sheath is a HEISER!

Posted by: Sheldon_Wickersham

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 04:15 PM

Yes, a Heiser sheath patterned off a Moore sheath...not at all an uncommon practice during this period as Moore was the 'First Article' maker for most sheath models at the time...very cool knife & sheath

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 08:02 PM

Hi All,
12-HEAVY

Comment Away...
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 08:08 PM

Jim,
Your photo really shows how massive the big Bowie is!

Posted by: vklough46

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 08:09 PM

Jim,
Great photo and a massive knife.
Kevin

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 08:12 PM

Tom & Kevin,
It's a Biggun'.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 08:23 PM

If that was stuck up your a**, you'd comment.

One BAD A** knife.

Dubie

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 08:30 PM

Nice circa 1950 model 2

Posted by: Hagsjr

Re: This Old Randall - 10/03/07 08:34 PM

Big Jim,
Heckuva knife and sheath!

Crutch,
Beautiful super mint model 2!

Jerry

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/04/07 12:06 PM

Dubie & Jerry,
Thanks for the kind words..
Joe,
If I added a new first name & became"Wonderful Jim Parker"
The initals on that beautiful #2 would fit nicely.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Hagsjr

Re: This Old Randall - 10/04/07 02:00 PM

Quote:

If I added a new first name & became"Wonderful Jim Parker"
The initals on that beautiful #2 would fit nicely.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

How about "Wild Jim Parker"?

Jerry

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/04/07 06:03 PM

Jerry,
My wife was looking over my shoulder & saw your post.
She agrees with you that "Wild" is much better.
She wasn't too impressed with "Wonderful".

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 10/05/07 10:54 AM

An "original" Randall Recon

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/08/07 12:39 PM

Ron,
Those old hunters with double hilts are really cool!
What vintage? Late 50's,early 60's?
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 10/09/07 10:50 AM

Circa 1961 model 14 "tenite" with rosewood handle, one of a kind. Notice the hump on the Orlando blade. Sheath is a Johnson lift-a-dot snap.

This knife was examined by several noted collectors as well as Pete Hamilton, and the general consensus was the handle was probably made by RMK. The shop looked at it a couple of years ago and had the same opinion but couldn't say for sure.

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 10/13/07 03:56 PM

Here's another rare Orlando blade with a big Solingen hump, of course not as rare green Tenite

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 10/13/07 04:03 PM

Flip side...

Rob

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/13/07 04:12 PM

Hey Rob,
Beautiful Tenite.Love the Canteen Snap.
Here's one,Splitback brown Button Johnson.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 10/13/07 04:26 PM

Very very nice Jim...looks pretty mint! Mines got a few stains

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/13/07 04:51 PM

Rob,
Your 14 is Great.I wish I had so few stains.
I'd bring your pictures up but don't know how to take one off a post.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Cabinet_Man

Re: This Old Randall - 10/14/07 05:30 PM

Here it is... when viewing the attachment, you just copy and paste the address.

Posted by: Cabinet_Man

Re: This Old Randall - 10/14/07 05:32 PM

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Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/16/07 03:38 PM

Here's one I've posted on another thread.One of my favorites.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 10/16/07 06:25 PM

Now that's a great knife Jim! Burnie

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 10/16/07 06:32 PM

Outstanding BigJim! Wish it were one of my favorites too...

Rob

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 11/29/07 08:29 PM

I thought it was time to get this thread back on top! Here ia a mint model 2-8" JRB w/bear stone. Anyone want to date this one? Burnie

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 11/29/07 09:02 PM

Smoothback or roughback?

I'd say 1989.

Dubie

Posted by: Sheldon_Wickersham

Re: This Old Randall - 11/29/07 09:20 PM

Mid '70's, nice knife Burnie, congrats!

Posted by: tglassco

Re: This Old Randall - 11/29/07 09:23 PM

Here is another Model 2 - 8" with a JRB Sheath similar to Burnie's. How old?

Because of the thickness of the spacers on Burnie's knife I would guess easily pre-1989.

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 11/29/07 10:20 PM

Great #2's Guys.Good to see the thread resurrected.
Here's one you don't see everyday..
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 11/29/07 10:28 PM

Very nice Jim, one of my favorite models, the double hilt really gives it a different perpective too...

Rob

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 11/30/07 10:12 AM

Whoa, Jim...
That's a a beauty!!
A Sportsman Bowie, yes?
Tony

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 11/30/07 12:04 PM

BigJim..... I have told you before.....I want that "SS" Fighter if you ever sell it..... A dandy!!!

Posted by: alan_grombacher

Re: This Old Randall - 11/30/07 01:05 PM

Hey Guys,

This kind of thread is why I like being on this forum. Thanks for posting all these great knives.

Cheers,

Alan Grombacher
RKS# 5531

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 11/30/07 01:39 PM

Thanks for the kind words guys.
Tony,yes a 12-6 Sptsmn Bowie.Ron would call it "A field knife with attitude".I really love the double hilt & the longer lower quillion like the early #1's.
Let's see some more oldies!!
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 11/30/07 03:44 PM

That's exactly what I would call it, Jim. Hopefully some of you guys haven't seen this pic of three 3's with an attitude. The hilt on the pinned ivory is a full 3" long. The 3-6 leather is what I like to call an "original" Randall Recon and the top quillion on the polished stag 3-7 was "bobbed" in order to transition back to a civilian hunter.

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 11/30/07 10:20 PM

Here's my early 12-6...

Rob

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 11/30/07 10:27 PM

Flip side...

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 11/30/07 10:33 PM

one more...

Posted by: Rhett Stidham

Re: This Old Randall - 11/30/07 10:47 PM

Beautiful thread fellows. This is what it is all about. Keep it up.

Regards

Rhett

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 11/30/07 11:12 PM

Well Rhett, I don't think anyone can top those, outstanding...

Rob

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 11/30/07 11:13 PM

Ron,Rob,Rhett,
Great Knives!! Thanks!!
Rhett,Tell us about the Big Boot Knife.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Rhett Stidham

Re: This Old Randall - 12/01/07 08:35 AM

You know as much as I do on that one. Very early on the designer of this knife, Charlie Alden, was looking for that special one that would work. Therefore you see some unusual Model 24's.

Regards,

Rhett

Posted by: Guido_Bitossi

Re: This Old Randall - 12/01/07 11:12 AM

Rhett... I have no words

Best
Guido

Posted by: michianaman

Re: This Old Randall - 12/01/07 12:43 PM

#17 CARBON & A PAPERWEIGHT

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 12/01/07 01:56 PM

For some reason was never was keen on the "Astro" but that combo makes me wish I were...super nice!

Rob

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 12/01/07 02:35 PM

Carbon Astro,Riveted Sheath,Nice Jeff...
Here's one I picked up last week.Came with 1965 printing of "The Fighting Knife" & to my total surprise,the original shipping box Post Marked,May 69.Bought from original owner.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 12/01/07 02:39 PM

Xmas came a little early for me this year...I just learned or maybe forgot and just remembered that nickel hilts come with nickel pinned stag, I already know my brass hilts come with brass pins...

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 12/01/07 02:44 PM

Another...

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 12/01/07 02:49 PM

One more...

http://www.knifetalkforums.net/imageupload/30225-PICT0016b.jpg

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 12/01/07 02:50 PM

I was going to put this knife on thread of it's own but will include it here first. 1-7 acquired in 1958 by a hunter/sportsman in Canada. Nice knife but nothing special really you say? How about Stainless Steel (unmarked of course), unheard of in knives generally until the early to mid 60's!! He paid $1.50 at the time for the Stainless option. The earliest non-model 16 I recall seeing in stainless excluding some early 40's "Fish & Bar" knives or Henkles carvers.

Posted by: vklough46

Re: This Old Randall - 12/01/07 03:57 PM

A friend of mine obtained this Smithsonian a while back.
I believe that it is from the early 70's.

Great thread Jim,
Kevin #5109

Posted by: michianaman

Re: This Old Randall - 12/02/07 08:46 AM

There are some great knives posted here.

This #12 9" Sportsman's use to belong to me.
Now another member has It.
Kinda different with the choil cut out.

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 12/04/07 10:38 AM

This is such a great thread, especially for someone like me who doesn't
own any Really Old Randalls. Thanks Guys!!
This is the oldest Randall I own...a little younger than most here.
#1-7" Leather Commando Handle, JRB sheath, white Bear brand stone.
Using my Randall Quick Reference Guide, I'd say late 60s-early 70s.
Let me know if I'm off on this one!
The name of FRANK MASSERESE is on the other side of blade.

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 12/19/07 10:19 PM

Great #1 Tony,
Love the commando leather

.
Here's a 1-8,JRB Riveted,Stag,Finger Grooves,Duralumin Butt Cap.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 12/20/07 07:28 PM

Here is a nice little model 7-5 w/heiser corn row sheath I got today. Maybe Boblade could help date this one? how about Ron you out there? Burnie

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 12/20/07 07:29 PM

Here ia another photo!

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 12/20/07 09:09 PM

Burnie,

!
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/20/07 09:24 PM

Quote:

Here is a nice little model 7-5 w/heiser corn row sheath I got today. Maybe Boblade could help date this one? how about Ron you out there? Burnie

Hi Bernie,

Yes I'm out here in the ozone

Can you post a photo of the Heiser marking on the back of the sheath? Also please describe the stone or post a photo of that as well. That may help me some.

Thanks,

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 12/20/07 09:58 PM

Bo ask and you shall recieve! stone is two part gray. Burnie

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/21/07 02:47 AM

Thanks, Bernie. Here goes:

Knife:

1. Blade grind: Could be anywhere in the 50's. There was some variation in the depth and radii of the choil during this decade, but I think it had more to do with who was doing the grinding at the time the blade was ground. This doesn't give you much to go on.

2. The stamp is small as it should be on a Model 7.

3. Hilt: really doesn't tell you anything.

4. Spacers (7): Only tells you that it was likely made on or before ~'72.

5. (Stag) handle: No pin would lead one to believe the knife was made on or after ~'58. However, there have been a few stag handled knives for sure made prior to '58 (and in fact going back in to the 40's) that do surface without a pin. I don't think anyone is ever going to know the reason(s) why: Overlooked by the assembler or ordered that way by the customer or ?

Sheath:

1. No guarantee it was the original shipped with the knife but we can make a reasonable assumption that is was if there are no era conflicts with the knife.

2. You would expect a very early 50's sheath would have a wider stone pocket flap than this one.

3. It has a horizontal keeper so it's probably not later than ~ '57.

4. It has a Roman numeral "I" on the back, which I haven't seen on a sheath later than ~'55.

Stone:

1. Again for the sake of argument let's assume it's original to the knife and sheath. There is no printing showing so I don't know if it's a "Carborundum No. 74 SIC" or an Norton with the oval label or even a later Combination Crystolon.

Bottom line is that all the evidence falls into a mid to late 50's bracket as I see it. Crutch or whomever may have differing opinions. If I'm wrong I will have learned something and that's a good thing.

By the way......great little knife :-)

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 12/21/07 05:55 AM

Thanks Ron, I have learned several things I did'nt know. Please let me take this time to thank you and Joe and Tune for your willingness to share in your knowledge of randall knives. I have picked up many things that have helped me in my collecting of randalls. Best Regards Burnie

Posted by: EDO

Re: This Old Randall - 12/23/07 05:49 AM

Posted by: EDO

Re: This Old Randall - 12/23/07 05:51 AM

Jim,
great model #1!!!

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 01/09/08 02:56 PM

Thank You Edo,
#15 Airman,Green Tenite,Orlando Tool Steel Blade.
Canteen Snap JRB,Brown Button,Norton Stone.Unused.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 01/09/08 06:04 PM

Jim, I don't know alot about the tenites I only know I wish it were mine!!!!! Burnie

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 01/09/08 06:34 PM

Thanks Burnie,
Did you get that old #7 or 8 your were expecting?
If you did,let's see it...
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 01/09/08 07:29 PM

Posted by: tglassco

Re: This Old Randall - 02/21/08 06:00 PM

Big Jim,

Those are absolutely stunning. I love the large blades and those are some of the best I have ever seen. Thanks

Posted by: New2Randalls

Re: This Old Randall - 02/21/08 06:05 PM

Jim, the only thing I find when I rumage around the bottom of my safe are dust bunnies

I'll trade safes with you anytime! I'm getting tired of feeding those dust bunnies, need to fill the safe with some old Randalls

Those are some great looking knives. The older Randalls have so much character, I can't wait for my newer ones to get old

Dan Snyder RKS #5537

Posted by: Hagsjr

Re: This Old Randall - 02/21/08 07:02 PM

Jim,
Nice group of knives there!

Jerry

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 02/21/08 09:33 PM

Jim, From what I can tell the S is way out of place on these knives so they are more than likely seconds, I'll just buy them from you thats the least a friend could do for another friend!!!! Great knives and yea you make me green with envy. Burnie

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 03/14/08 10:54 AM

This one caught my eye on e-bay not too long ago because I had never seen a 12-8 in a brown button sheath. A quick check of my Bible (Gaddis) revealed that "the first order for this model was recorded in the journal on 6 Feburary 1964" (Page 212). Further on in the section one reads that Bo made the 1st one for the museum in November of 1960 and another entry was found in the journal 16 February 1961 that just read "12-8 paid at shop". There have been differing opinions on Johnson's 1st involvement with the shop, but it has been generally accepted that this was in 1962 (Gaddis pg 224). Similarily there are differing opinions on when "baby dot" snaps were introduced. Gaddis states "late '62 or early '63" (Pg 225). This begs the question "How does this (Obvious by the construction) Johnson 12-8 brown button sheath exist"? We'll never know and it's just one more "Randall enigma"

Best,

Posted by: New2Randalls

Re: This Old Randall - 03/14/08 11:52 AM

Ron, I remember seeing that one too on ebay. I liked the brass forward guard. I had no idea about the sheath. That's why this thread and this forum are so important. The free education that we receive. Thanks Ron and great find!
Dan Snyder RKS #5537

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 03/14/08 03:57 PM

Ron,
Great Bowie! That's the only Brown Button 12-8 I've ever seen.Are the ends of the hilt finished off like the old #14's? Heavy rectangle versus more rounded.Great combo..
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 03/14/08 04:41 PM

You're welcome, Dan.

Thanks, Jim. They seem like they are "more rounded"

Best,

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 03/15/08 10:35 PM

Early 60's #1-8.Seven Spacer,Stag Finger Groove.
Johnson Brown Button Sheath.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 03/15/08 10:37 PM

Nice model 1 Jim!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 03/15/08 11:33 PM

Jim, Here is a mint model 7-5 w/brown button Johnson Rough Back and crystolon stone. Early 60's

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 03/15/08 11:37 PM

Model 4-6 FG stag, brown button Heiser.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 03/16/08 12:41 PM

Mid 50's Skinner with a couple of options

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 03/16/08 05:45 PM

Ron & Burnie,
Beautiful Knives,the condition is amazing..
Too bad that Ivory #4 has a double hilt,kinda in the way if you want to skin something.

I dug in the safe again & will post a few after I take some pictures.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: vklough46

Re: This Old Randall - 03/16/08 05:47 PM

Great knives guys.
Thanks for digging through the safe Jim.
Kevin

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 03/18/08 05:10 PM

Mid 50's #1-7.NS Hilt,Pinned Stag,Finger Grooves,Compass.
Heiser Brown Button Sheath.Carried & Used.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: This Old Randall - 03/18/08 05:21 PM

Jim really nice knife, I like the stag a lot even with the hairline cracks. I would like to find one just as knife. Looks as though it was taken very good care of.

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 03/18/08 05:26 PM

Thanks Sidney,
It's one of my favorites.Not minty but was used for what it was made for. Like you said,well cared for.It has alot of character.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: charliedoyle

Jim's Safe - 03/18/08 05:32 PM

Jim Digs around his safe and comes up with this stuff. Here is a photo of what he found after digging around his garage

Posted by: BoBlade

Crown Stag Handles - 03/18/08 06:16 PM

This 7-5 with crown stag handle just came up on e-bay. I put it early 50's and I believe the handle was done by the shop. You don't see many "older" Randalls with crown stag handles and this handle is a beauty with a lot of character:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-RANDALL-MADE...1QQcmdZViewItem

There was another 3-6 that I've seen with a crown stag handle. This one I put late '44 or early '45 primarily based on the sheath. It was originally chrome plated (Most likely by the shop) and a goodly portion of the chrome had come off over the years.

Best,

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 03/18/08 07:30 PM

Here's one that always fun, however Big Jim may already know about this knife.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: Crown Stag Handles - 03/19/08 08:36 PM

Quote:

This 7-5 with crown stag handle just came up on e-bay. I put it early 50's and I believe the handle was done by the shop.

I've received a better photo of the handle / spacer interface and I'd like to make a correction on my statement above: I now do not believe the crown stag handle was done by the shop. It looks too "sloppy" of a job.

Best

Posted by: vklough46

Re: This Old Randall - 03/19/08 08:46 PM

Jim,
Thanks for having such a great thread.
I enjoy seeing all the knives and I am learning quite a bit of Randall lore.
You are to be commended.
Kevin

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 03/19/08 09:19 PM

Thanks Kevin,
I enjoy sharing the oldies.
Thank Guy's like Ron & Joe(Bo & Crutch)for the historical expertise & teaching us all what's correct.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 03/19/08 09:47 PM

Super Nice Big Jim...

Rob

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 03/23/08 04:52 PM

Oops! Mid 40's 7" pinned stag Skinner with that era leather handle spacer set.

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 03/23/08 11:02 PM

Here is a model 11 w/Heiser sheath from my collection that I believe is from the late 50's. Maybe BoBlade can help with this one.

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 03/23/08 11:04 PM

Here is a photo of the back of the sheath.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 03/24/08 01:28 AM

Beautiful knife and sheath, Bernie. I can't pin it down any closer than "mid to late 50's".

Best,

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 03/24/08 09:24 PM

ok, they're some new ones in here, just thought a family portrait would be nice for a change...

Rob

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 03/24/08 09:43 PM

Great looking model 1's Rob, One of my favorite randall models. I really like the commando handle shape.

Posted by: RKS3500

Re: This Old Randall - 03/25/08 10:48 AM

Thanks Burnie, I've taken a liking to the 6" models...

Rob

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 04/10/08 08:38 PM

Picked this up at Tulsa.Interesting etching..
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Tom,
Love the Low"S".Great Knife!!!
60's Vintage #1-7,Tool Steel,Seven Spacers,Great Stag,JRB.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: vklough46

Re: This Old Randall - 05/12/08 08:05 PM

Great knife Jim.

Kevin

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 05/12/08 08:58 PM

That's a great #1 Jim, I also picked up a very nice older model 4-6 late 60's FG stag, seperate S.

Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: This Old Randall - 05/12/08 11:54 PM

Very interesting knife Jim.

I was wondering how much leeway the Randall Shop would give on the blade etch wording.
After seeing your knife it seems to be more than I would have thought.

Maybe I could have "Veni, Vidi, Velcro" etched. Or not.

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 05/13/08 08:57 AM

Burnie,
That's a Beautiful #4.
Tom,
It's a very interesting etching,kinda reflects the attitude in the late 60's.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 06/03/08 11:47 PM

I bought this at Blade.
Early 60's #1-7,Brassback,Reversed Top Quillon(Fighter Hilt),Seven Spacer,Stag Finger Groove,Brass Butt & Nut,Etched With Randall Employee's Name.Johnson Brown Button Sheath.
I'm Privileged to own this piece of Randall History.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: New2Randalls

Re: This Old Randall - 06/04/08 12:27 AM

Jim, that's a real nice fine. I'm jealous. I love old stag handles with finger grooves. The patina on that stag is great too!
Dan Snyder RKS #5537

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/04/08 12:32 AM

OK, I said it before and I'll say it again, One of the greatest, most beautiful, I want that knife soooo bad randalls I've ever seen. Congrats Jim! great knife for a great guy.

Posted by: vklough46

Re: This Old Randall - 06/04/08 06:25 AM

That's a real beauty Jim.
Kevin

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 06/04/08 07:03 AM

Big Jim, you wouldn't be interested in an old left testicle would you?

Dubie Baxter

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 06/04/08 07:39 AM

Jim,
Great seeing you again and thanks for the "Amen" on my new ride. At 59, and for my 59th birthday, I purchased it, my first new vehicle in my life (except for motorcycles).
A few years ago, on the old forum, we did a "dream" knife, and I chose this one...This "exact" one, I believe. Did you get this from our friend who resides in Hollywood, Fl.? If not, there are "TWO" dream knives out there. They don't get any cooler or better than this one. Stay well and hang on to it!! Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Aggiemike

Re: This Old Randall - 06/04/08 07:54 AM

Jim:

Great knife! I am glad you were able to make that deal. It would have probably driven you crazy if you didn't. I enjoyed meeting you and the rest of the guys. It was a 13.5 hour drive home. Maybe I will fly next time.

Mike Webb
#4107

Posted by: Oldvetnam1

Re: This Old Randall - 06/04/08 07:57 AM

Jim,

That's a fabulous looking knife. Congrats on the find.

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 06/04/08 08:01 AM

Jim,
A TREAT FOR THE EYES!!!!!!
Congrats. And thanks for posting.
Tony

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 06/04/08 05:37 PM

Thanks Guy's for the kind words.
Dubie,Thanks for the offer but I already have one.

Capt,I believe it's the same knife you're refering to.Your new ride is really neat.
Mike,Hope that welded lug #4 drops in your lap.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 06/04/08 06:23 PM

We need pics of the Captain's new ride !!!!!

I missed the thread telling us what it is.

Dubie Baxter

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 06/06/08 01:34 PM

In Honor of D-Day.
WWII #1-7,Thick Bronze Hilt,Stacked Leather,Duralumin Butt w/Lanyard Hole.Riveted Heiser Sheath.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 06/06/08 01:38 PM

It's no wonder we won the War.

Dubie

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/06/08 01:38 PM

Hey Jim, Today is my birthday so what ya say you box that one up and send her out here to NC? HAHA. Burnie

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 06/06/08 01:40 PM

Burnie, i have much more respect for you now that you're older.

Happy D-Day B-Day.

Dubie Baxter

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/06/08 01:41 PM

Thanks Dubie, I Think?

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/16/08 08:32 PM

Here is a recent addition to my collection. Model 2-7 mid 50's w/Heiser sheath. Note long deep choils of the period and small blade stamp.

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/16/08 08:36 PM

Here is another nice old knife. Ward Gay skinner w/black FG micarta, 7-spacers.

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 06/16/08 09:05 PM

Burnie,
Great Knives & Sheaths!! They both look New!
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: JesseEgnew

Re: This Old Randall - 06/16/08 09:07 PM

Verry Nice

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/16/08 09:35 PM

Thanks Guys, It's always fun finding new knives for the collection.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 06/17/08 06:36 PM

Burnie,
Looks like you have some pretty good stuff!!!
Those knives are super!!
:-)Rocky

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/17/08 06:38 PM

Thanks Rocky, I love to trade old randalls and I know you have some very nice ones. Let me know if you are ever in a trading mood!

Posted by: JesseEgnew

Re: This Old Randall - 06/25/08 05:07 PM

I just got this one and love it I talked to Mr. Jack Crider and he told me a little history on the knife. He bought it from the shop April of 1980 for $230.00 he was told it was the first sub hilt fighter (non bowie) first in 154C and one of three with the trademark on the opposite side. I am very lucky to have this one!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/25/08 09:35 PM

Jesse that is really a GREAT knife!!!! congrats.

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 06/26/08 08:17 AM

Jesse, thanks for sharing this really great knife with us. Your pictures are teriffic.

Someday, I'd enjoy hearing the story of how you found the knife, and if you feel really gracious, how much you paid for it.

Dubie Baxter

Posted by: JesseEgnew

Re: This Old Randall - 06/26/08 09:54 AM

How I found it was an interesting story. I met a real nice guy at the blade show on Thursday and we hung out all day on Friday. I was running around like a kid in a candy on Friday because I had to leave that night and be at work at 7 AM the next day. So I call the guy I met at the show (don’t want to name names) the next day while I am at work and ask if he found any thing that is cool. He absolutely did. He picked it up along with a Bear Camp Special #001 a Leibowitz (SP) and some other high end knives. I asked him how much he wanted for it and he told me $XXXX it was a large some of money for me so I told him I would call him in thirty minuets. When I called him back he had sold the knife to another man I know (a great guy by the way) and he sold it to me for $500 less than the first guy was offering it to me for. I was and still am a very very happy man.

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 06/26/08 10:27 AM

That was good stick-to-itiveness Jesse. You have something there that you can be real proud of.

Don't re-handle it and sell it on eBay as original.

Dubie

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 06/26/08 12:20 PM

Jesse,
Fantastic Knife!
Doesn't get much better,like I told you,I went to try to buy it,& you beat me to it.Congrat's.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: This Old Randall - 06/26/08 01:40 PM

Great knife Jesse good for you.

Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: This Old Randall - 06/26/08 08:39 PM

Jesse,
That could quite possibly be a keeper.
Not sure don't you know, but when I decide I'll let you know.

Congratulations on a great find!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 06/26/08 09:13 PM

Couldn't be in the collection of a better guy, Jesse. Congrats on a great acquisition!

Best,

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/28/08 10:27 PM

Here are some new additions to the family. Model 15 airman 01 carbon w/saw teeth, unlined thong hole and riveted JRB sheath. I think mfg. is around 68-72.

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/28/08 10:31 PM

Knife #2 is a model 2-8" stag w/compass, NH, 01 carbon. This knife is also in great condition for its age. Mfg. late 60's

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/28/08 10:36 PM

Knife #3 This is a model 1-6" 01 carbon, Heiser brown button sheath. Knife has been cleaned, but still has full blade w/excellent stamp. Sheath is in excellent+ condition. Mfg. late 50's early 60's

Posted by: JesseEgnew

Re: This Old Randall - 06/28/08 10:45 PM

WOW Nice Burnie

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/28/08 10:49 PM

Thanks Jesse, I have a sickness randall fever!!!!!!!

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 06/28/08 10:52 PM

Quote:

Knife #3 This is a model 1-6" 01 carbon, Heiser brown button sheath. Knife has been cleaned, but still has full blade w/excellent stamp. Sheath is in excellent+ condition. Mfg. late 50's early 60's

This is around 1954-55 vintage model 1. The handle keeper was gone by 56, but could probably be had a bit later on a 1-6 sheath as it is not as popular as a 1-7 or 1-8. So, sheath may sit for a bit longer. But the spacer configuration was used for a short time in the mid 50's,maybe a year or so, although it did show up again in the late 50's to early 60's but only on a few knives, not as the standard of the period. That would be three thick two thin.

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/28/08 10:54 PM

Thanks Crutch, I've got a long way to go in learning these knives. PM sent

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 07/06/08 12:54 PM

I finally took some pictures....These were my Blade Show keepers.

#1-8 Ivory and COOL saw teeth....(actually this one was not bought at Blade...)

#1-7 early 50.... has a brass nut and washer!

#1-8 in a black Johnson rough back high ride sheath.

#1-7 Brass and Brass in stag.

Nice 50's #1-7 This one is in Hunt's first book

#2-7 Ebony handle with brass scallops.

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 07/06/08 01:34 PM

Great looking knives Tune! Congrats.

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 07/06/08 01:35 PM

WoooooowwwwwW !!!

Christmas came early this year.

Dubie Baxter

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 07/06/08 04:21 PM

Mitchell & Burnie,
Thanks for posting those Beauties.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 07/06/08 06:41 PM

Tune, That Ebony #2 is a 8" by the way I miss it already brother!!!!

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 07/06/08 08:21 PM

Crap, you are right of course.... moving too quick. I really like that one Burnie... cool handle material and furniture....Plus a big fat seperate S!!

Posted by: JesseEgnew

Re: This Old Randall - 07/14/08 01:47 PM

Here is one I just picked up and I could use some help on. Early 50’s 60’s?

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 07/14/08 02:04 PM

The Johnson sheath with brown buttons would put it in the early 60's..... maybe '62-'64-ish. You may get a more accurate "guess" from others ....

Cool little knife....Jesse!

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 07/14/08 03:49 PM

Agreed...Early 60's. Very nice !!!

Dubie Baxter

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 07/17/08 02:43 PM

#1-6-Early 60's-Tool Steel-Etched Logo-Longer Lower Quillon
Johnson Roughback-Brown Buttons-Combo Stone.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

#1-6-Late 60's-Tool Steel-Leather Commando Handle
Tight Stitch Johnson Roughback-SP13 Stone
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 07/17/08 09:22 PM

HEY JIM!
Nice commando-handled 6 incher.
Maybe a brother of my 7 incher?...check out my post above on 12/04/07,
and your reply!

Tony

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 07/17/08 09:52 PM

Tony,
Little & Middle Brothers.I'll try to post the Big Brother soon.Only difference is it's earlier,we won't complain about that.I do love commando leather on #1's.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 07/18/08 06:46 PM

Tony,
Here's Big Brother.Standard #1-8 but I call it "Big Blade".
Has just a massive looking 8 inch tool steel blade,almost 1 3/8 inches at the widest part of the blade,5 inch commando leather handle that's about 1/2 inch longer than most of my others.Johnson roughback brown button sheath,combo stone.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 07/18/08 10:08 PM

Here is a new addition, Model 1-7 fighter FG stag,01 carbon w/JRB brown button sheath.

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 07/19/08 10:35 AM

Jim,
That is one BIG BEAUTY!!
Tony

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 07/27/08 12:44 PM

This one passed through my hands not too long ago. It's a bit rare because there were so few fighters made between WWII and the Korean war, and almost without exception those you do see have leather handles. It's also unusual because it has an abbreviated double hilt. The workmanship looks "shop-like", but there no way of knowing for sure. Anyhow, I wanted to see Jim's great thread come back to the top and hope some of you will enjoy the photo.

Best,

Posted by: tglassco

Re: This Old Randall - 07/27/08 01:15 PM

Big Jim, Burnie and Ron,

Beautiful Knives. You Guys should collaborate on a book with stories of how you came across all of the beautiful old Randall Knives you show us.

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 07/27/08 02:45 PM

Ron,
Great Old #1.Good to see you posting again.
Tom,
Thanks for the kind words.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 07/27/08 03:47 PM

Great knife Ron, Tom I wish I had all the ones I wanted and thank you for just putting my name in the pool with two great guys like "Big Jim" and "Bo Blade"

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/08 10:06 AM

Thanks, Guys. I sure wish I could keep a few more than I'm able to.

Best,

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 08/28/08 08:20 PM

Here is one you don't see every day! mid 40's hunter w/riveted throat Heiser sheath. 5 1/2" blade.

Posted by: Hagsjr

Re: This Old Randall - 08/28/08 09:52 PM

That's a beauty Burnie. Love those left handed sheaths.

Jerry

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 08/28/08 10:22 PM

Great Hunter Burnie,
You're nipping at Bo-Blades heels with that one..
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 08/28/08 10:51 PM

Thanks guys for the kind comments. I've already placed this knife in the top of my favorites list.

Posted by: Sheldon_Wickersham

Re: This Old Randall - 09/15/08 05:02 PM

Not real old, likely early 1970's - Model #1-6, stainless, etched logo, Separate S stamp, saw teeth, seven spacer, RH finger-grooved black Micarta handle, unlined lanyard hole. Tightly stitched Johnson Roughback sheath with white Norton SP-13 'Bear Brand' stone...nice knife, thanks Doc!

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 09/15/08 05:17 PM

I really like that knife Shel. Right size, right look.

Dubie Baxter

Posted by: JesseEgnew

Re: This Old Randall - 09/15/08 05:36 PM

Great knife man! I just received these today my first seven spacer knives!

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 09/15/08 05:37 PM

That's a beauty Shel!!!!

Tony

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 09/15/08 05:39 PM

ANOTHER COUPLE OF BEAUTIES!
Nice Jesse.
Tony

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 09/15/08 05:45 PM

Look Out Jesse !!! 7 spacers are addicting.

Those are mighty fine knives.

Dubie Baxter

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 09/15/08 08:26 PM

Great Knives Guy's!!
Here's one in honor of 300 posts on this thread.
Thanks for all the Great Knives & Support.
Early 50's #1-8,NSH,Ivory,DB. Heiser Sheath.

B hussein is NOT an option

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Steven

Re: This Old Randall - 09/15/08 09:57 PM

Big Jim
Love it!

Posted by: vklough46

Re: This Old Randall - 09/15/08 10:31 PM

Congratulations on 300 posts Jim.
This is definitely a Hall Of Fame thread!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kevin

PS The Cubs rule.

Posted by: silverknife

Re: This Old Randall - 09/15/08 10:35 PM

Jim,

NICE KNIFE!!!!!

Regards,
Doug

Posted by: Sheldon_Wickersham

Re: This Old Randall - 09/15/08 11:06 PM

Very cool knives Jesse, thanks for sharing them! Both a Low S, dead mint from the looks of it; and a Separate S too, both with seven spacers!!! Man, with good luck like that, you should buy a lotto ticket - better yet, meet us in Vegas

Posted by: Warren_Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 09/15/08 11:13 PM

Quote:

Great Knives Guy's!!
Here's one in honor of 300 posts on this thread.
Thanks for all the Great Knives & Support.
Early 50's #1-8,NSH,Ivory,DB. Heiser Sheath.

B hussein is NOT an option

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Jim,

Great knife. I see why you like the oldies. Congrats on the 300 club!

Best,
Warren

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 09/15/08 11:27 PM

Jim, What can I say but great knife for a great guy. Congrats.

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 10/14/08 08:04 PM

Here is one for TomthBomb, model 18 crutchtip late 60's, seperate S Orlando stamp w/riveted JRB sheath.

Posted by: JesseEgnew

Re: This Old Randall - 10/14/08 08:22 PM

WOW way cool Burnie!!

Posted by: G22

Re: This Old Randall - 10/14/08 09:01 PM

No doubt Jesse! Burnie that is an absolute beaut!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 10/14/08 09:29 PM

Thanks guys.

Posted by: Rhett Stidham

Re: This Old Randall - 10/15/08 12:14 PM

Big Jim,

Great thread idea. I just noticed there have been 11,040 views of this thread. WOW!

Regards,

Rhett

Posted by: David

Re: This Old Randall - 10/24/08 05:46 PM

This old Model 18 Solingen belongs to Emory Kristof, Photographer-in-Residence at the National Geographic Society.

Here is Emory's bio. The knife has seen use on many of these projects.

A pioneer of innovative, high-tech underwater photography using robot cameras and remotely operated vehicles, Emory Kristof has been a National Geographic photographer since beginning as an intern for the magazine in 1963.

Kristof created the preliminary designs of the electronic camera system for the Argo vehicle, which found the Titanic. He led photographic surveys of the C.S.S. Alabama off the coast of France in 1992 and the 16th-century wreck San Diego in the Philippines in 1993. In 1995, he led an expedition to recover the bell of the Edmund Fitzgerald and produced the first deep-water images with high-definition TV.

Kristof's "Testing the Waters of Rongelap," published in National Geographic magazine in April 1998, recorded oceanic life in the nuclear weapons-contaminated waters surrounding the Marshall Islands. In August 1998, Kristof's pictures of the Titanic were presented in the National Geographic article "Tragedy in Three Dimensions." The pictures, recorded in 1991 using high-intensity lighting systems, appeared in unprecedented detail because of advances in 3-D computer video-editing.

Born in 1942, Kristof studied journalism at the University of Maryland at College Park and received a bachelor's degree in 1964. A National Geographic staff photographer from 1964 to 1994, he has produced forty-some articles for the magazine.

Kristof has earned many awards for both writing and photography, including the NOGI Award for Arts from the Underwater Society of America in 1988 and the Explorers Club Lowell Thomas Award for Underwater Exploration in 1986. That same year, Kristof and Robert Ballard received the American Society of Magazine Publishers Innovation in Photography Award for their photographic coverage of the Titanic. In 1998, Kristof was presented with the J. Winton Lemen Fellowship Award by the National Press Photographers Association "for being one of our profession's most imaginative innovators." In 2001 Kristof was named a contributing photographer-in-residence at the National Geographic Society.

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/25/08 12:04 AM

Rhett,
Thanks for the kind words but it's the Great support from the guys here sharing their Great Old Randalls.
Here's one I picked up about a month ago.
Pages 86-87 Randall Fighting Knives in Wartime-Hunt.
Early 50's #1-8 Stacked Leather,Wide Spacers.
Wide Flap Heiser Cornrow Sheath,Fine Condition.

b hussein is NOT an option

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/25/08 12:12 AM

Burnie,
Congrats on the Great Crutchtip!!
I know you've been looking hard,patience does have it's virtues.

b hussein is NOT an option

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 10/27/08 06:22 PM

Here's a great late 60's early 70's 12-11 Kit knife. The workmanship on this knife is outstanding the spacers are reminiscence of the early scagal type. The doubled pinned whitetail stag crown butt adds to the unique look of this huge knife. The handle is 7 1/2" from hilt to crown. The sheath is a custom gator by sullivans marked 12-11 Kit.

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 10/27/08 06:41 PM

Burnie...You're killing me. I will call the Polk County Sheriff's office and turn myself in for what i am planning to do.

If someone breaks in and steals that knife... well it'll be me.

P.S., what is your home address?

Dubie Baxter

Posted by: Chuck_Nan

Re: This Old Randall - 10/27/08 07:09 PM

Big Jim, here is a mate to your 1-8. I picked this 1-6 up in Denver this fall. Thanks for sharing all your RMK's with us.

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/27/08 07:14 PM

Chuck,
I Love it,Great #1 !! 6 inch #1's are fairly rare in the early to mid 50's.Thanks for posting.
Here's Chucks #1.

Sorry Dudie, I've had one too many "Dubies" tonight. Burnie

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 10/27/08 09:09 PM

Chuck, Here is my knife and stone. Mid 50's mode 1-6"

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 10/27/08 09:10 PM

Here is the stone.

Posted by: tglassco

Re: This Old Randall - 10/27/08 09:18 PM

Quote:

Sorry Dudie, I've had one too many "Dubies" tonight. Burnie

As I read this thread with all the talk of Dudie and Dubies: Is that a stone or stoned? I'm Confused

Beautiful Knives Guys.

Posted by: Chuck_Nan

Re: This Old Randall - 10/28/08 01:30 AM

Beautiful #1 Burnie! Thanks for the stone photo. Just took a photo of the one in my 1-6. Do you think it is correct guys?
Thanks!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 10/28/08 06:55 AM

Chuck, I have a mid 50's model 2 and it has the SIC74 stone and I think there are one or two more that were used during the period. With this being said I think it could be correct, however I'm no expert on the history of randall.

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 12/21/08 06:20 PM

Joe's post on The perfect Stag Thread got me motivated to photograph some knives.Sorry,the light wasn't too good today.
Mid-late 60's #19.CS,NSH,7 Spacers,Huge Gnarly Stag(almost 1 3/8" at widest point),Duralumin Butt.JRB,Soft Arkansas Stone.Check out the blade grind.If there's a choil,it's just a sliver.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 12/21/08 06:34 PM

Pair of 50's era #1-8's.Both used & carried.
Early 50's Pinned Stag Finger Grip.
Later 50's Commando Leather.
Both have Heiser sheaths w/stone pockets removed.
Check out the different blade grinds,especially on the top of the ricasso.Both have longer lower quillon.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: vklough46

Re: This Old Randall - 12/21/08 06:42 PM

All beautiful knives Jim.
The 19 is absolutely wonderful.

Kevin

Posted by: Warren_Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 12/21/08 07:29 PM

Jim,

Ditto to what Kevin said.

Best,
Warren

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 12/21/08 08:46 PM

Jim,
Great Old Randalls!
LOVE THAT 19!
Tony

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 12/21/08 10:12 PM

Great knives brother Jim!

Posted by: Chief

Re: This Old Randall - 12/21/08 10:39 PM

Nice!!!!!!! Need to get me one with a old style blade grind! Enjoy!!!

See Ya, Chief

Posted by: Oldvetnam1

Re: This Old Randall - 12/22/08 05:14 AM

Great knives Jim. I really like the stag on that #1.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 01/06/09 08:59 PM

Top three are black, the rest are brown. Notice the filled bolt holes on the 16 and 15, and two filled on the 14. IIRC, the 3-6 third from the bottom was unusal as it had no spacers and filled bolt hole also. I think it was named to an old Randall employee.

Posted by: boardrider

Re: This Old Randall - 01/07/09 11:16 AM

Beautiful group Crutchtip, I wonder how many single locations in the world contain that much brown micarta?

Other than the Shop does anyone here know of any?

Posted by: Aggiemike

Re: This Old Randall - 01/07/09 11:58 AM

Joe:

Very nice indeed! Tell me about the Model 4 please.

Mike Webb
RKS#4107

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 01/07/09 03:34 PM

Hey Mike,

Happy new year! Joe can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that photo was of a collection that was subsequently broken up. I'm pretty sure I now own the 3-6 that is 4th from the bottom. I got it from Perry at the Blade Show a couple of years ago. I remember him having that 4-6 for sale as well. Give him a shout. He may still be sitting on it.

Best,

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 01/07/09 04:47 PM

Joe,
Amazing Knives,Thanks for posting.
Mike,
Great to see ya' posting again.Guess it took a screamer #4 to get ya' outa' hidin'.
Ron,
Always good to see you,how's Mrs.Bo?

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 01/07/09 05:00 PM

Here's one that arrived a few days ago.
#18 Crutchtip,7 1/2" Solingen Blade,Sawteeth,Riveted JRB,
Combination Crystolon Stone.Notice position of the logo.
Original owner received knife in Vietnam in 1968.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Aggiemike

Re: This Old Randall - 01/07/09 06:02 PM

Ron:

Thanks for the info. Hope you are well.

Jim:

I am not hiding. I am lurking.

Mike Webb
RKS# 4107

Posted by: Whiteman

Re: This Old Randall - 01/07/09 06:29 PM

Jim..That #18 is sublime!!! Yea..I said it..I even looked it up in the dictionary..

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 01/07/09 07:56 PM

Mike,

I think this is the #4.... laminated micarta with finger grips.... brown button Heiser.

Posted by: Cut_Man

Re: This Old Randall - 01/07/09 09:23 PM

Tune,

I remember when Perry listed the knife. I got a real education in the "value" of brown micarta then.

As Model 4's are my favorite, I was considering the purchase when in just a day or so, it was SOLD. Here's the link to Perry's Just fer lookin page with the knife.

http://www.spaceportcutlery.com/morepics.asp?prodid=1127

Nice knife by the way.

Brian

Posted by: Aggiemike

Re: This Old Randall - 01/07/09 09:26 PM

Mitchell:

Very nice!!!!!!!!!!!

Does it belong to you?

Mike Webb
RKS#4107

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 01/07/09 09:35 PM

As the lovely Marie Miller (Perry's custodian

) said:

"You don't buy them, you just rent them."

Yes Mike... I have it for now! I know you have a soft spot for the #4!!!!!

Posted by: Warren_Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 01/07/09 10:08 PM

Tune,

That's a great Model 4. 4's are one of my top blade favorites and this one is in fact exceptional. Wear it well my friend!

Best,
Warren

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 01/13/09 03:33 PM

Not exactly pristine, but....... a WWII "Hunter-Skinner". The Model 4 Skinner as we know it wasn't introduced until after the end of the war. Prior to this the only hunting knife that Bo offered was "The Hunter". The primary difference between the two was the degree of blade upsweep. The late and great Pete Hamilton coined the term "3 1/2" denoting a Hunter blade upsweep midway between a conventional Hunter and a Skinner. Bob Gaddis commented at a recent Blade show that all WWII Hunters were a "one off" (in one way, shape or form). This is one that has a full Model 4 upsweep ground specifically for skinning. Some of the WWII era attributes of this knife are:
1. Brass washer and nut.
2. Abbreviated choil (Not even a pinky finger will fit).
3. Cut down fighter hilt (Top quillion sticking up far higher than would be comfortable to rest your thumb over).
4. Hilt made of "inferior brass" (Visually looks more like copper than brass).
5. (Although you can't see it) a "green" spacer at the butt which has an epoxy repair.
Hope you enjoy.
Best,

Posted by: JesseEgnew

Re: This Old Randall - 01/13/09 04:06 PM

I just bought Mr. Hunts first two books and all a can say is wow to those knives and I thought my brain was going to explode. Now I see this great old knife and just say WOW! Thank you so much for showing off that great old knife! That knife would go great in ANY Randall Book.

Posted by: Aggiemike

Re: This Old Randall - 01/13/09 04:28 PM

Ron:

Very nice indeed!!
New acquisition or have you been holding back?
Please bring it to the Blade Show so I can lust over it.

Mike Webb
RKS #4107

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 01/13/09 04:42 PM

Ron,
TERRIFIC RANDALL, and story/info!
I said it before and I'll repeat ... Your posts and photos are much appreciated
by guys (like me) who don't own any real old Randalls.
Thanks and keep it coming!
Tony

Posted by: Warren_Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 01/13/09 05:17 PM

Ron,

Great old Model 4. That model is one of my favorites. Just a comment and a thought. When you refer to inferior looking brass, I wonder if materials were hard to come by on consistent basis after the war. Brass is primarily made up of copper and zinc and maybe certain alloys were difficult to get at that time. Those alloys age differently and have a different patina. What do you think?

Best,
Warren

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 01/13/09 08:28 PM

Warren -

it is NOT a model 4 as Ron explained describing the knife in his post. Check it out again.

Also, some of the hilts did have a high copper content that we generally refer to being bronze, at least bronze in color.

Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: This Old Randall - 01/13/09 09:00 PM

Neat old knife. The guard and general style are similar to a near pristine Scagel hunter that I own.

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 01/13/09 10:34 PM

Here is my mid 40's hunter. These are very hard to find these days and are great knives!

Posted by: Dennis

Re: This Old Randall - 01/13/09 10:48 PM

Great Randall Burnie. I especially like that 1940's Soft Arkansas stone!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 01/14/09 12:28 AM

Thanks Dennis, I really love the old knives!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 01/14/09 01:18 PM

Jessie: Thanks!

Mike: Both knife and sheath are recent acquisitions (From two different gents). As luck would have it they are a perfect match in terms of era, condition and fit).

Tony: Much appreciated!

Warren: I believe I first heard the term "inferior brass" from Bob Hunt describing an old Fighter guard. During the war Bo had to scrounge for just about everything he needed. As I understand it, any composition of copper with 15-38% Zn is considered "brass" (Typical ratio is 70/30). I suspect most of the brass available to Bo wouldn't have met Mil specs for cartridges, etc.: Either the ratio was off or there were too many impurities as a lot of that stuff had been remelted from scrap. Joe's right for once

on both counts: (1) It's a Hunter and not a Model 4 and (2) A composition less than 15% Zn was typically referred to as "bronze" (Even though bronze is Cu / Sn).

Larry: Would love to see a photo of your Scagel if you can oblige.

Great knife, Bernie!

Best,

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 01/29/09 09:30 PM

Well it's time to kick my good buddy "Big Jim's" thread back up. For all you old blade lovers, here is a recent member of the family. Model 1-8" FG stag, NH, Dura butt, W/Heiser sheath and fishy looking stone. Mfg 51-53.

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 01/29/09 09:32 PM

Stay tuned, More to come!

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 01/30/09 08:29 AM

OOOOOOOHHHHHHHH!
Very Nice.

Tony

Posted by: Brandon

Re: This Old Randall - 06/17/09 09:22 PM

This Randall was given to me by my grandfather. He purchased it in 1965 after waiting for 1 year on a waiting list. I didn't know the which knife it was until a very kind person on another knife forum told me it's a Model 3 in O-1 carbon steel. There were a bunch of carbon marks on the blade so I just finished polishing it with Mother's Mag Polish. I was fearful that is I left the carbon marks it would start pitting the steel.

Anyway thanks for reading.

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 09/14/09 09:12 PM

OK class is in! Here is a model 2-5" Tell me what you know about this knife? Look at stamp, choil, sheath!!!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 09/14/09 09:14 PM

Close-up of handle.

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 09/14/09 09:15 PM

Sheath Stamp.

here is an older 1-6 I am trying to date... its got very faded red spacers and brass spacers and johnson sheath thats seen better days I was told it was early Vietnam but I dont know the stone is not original its a usaf survival knife stone...

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 10/12/09 09:22 AM

Cracker, early Vietnam sounds about right...somewhere around 1966.

Are you sure about the brass spacers? That doesn't look or sound quite right.

Dubie Baxter

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 10/12/09 09:25 AM

I think you meant to type red spacers and brass "hilt"? There were no brass spacers during this period that I have ever seen or heard of: "Collars"...but not metal spacers, at least not in brass. Advise...Thanks.
Best, Capt.Chris

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 10/12/09 09:37 AM

Five spacers on a non-leather knife would make it post 1970-ish knife.....

Posted by: Josh Fehnel

Re: This Old Randall - 10/12/09 12:56 PM

well this gives me an idea thanks... as far as the brass spacers they look very much to be brass when I first got the knife they had green spots on them and one has a slight ding on the other side of the knife...did they use anything else that may look like brass? at first I thought the spacers were leather because the red is faded to brown... but I found a little speck of red..

thanks again

Josh

heres a photo of the back of the sheath if that helps

Posted by: Dirty_Water

Re: This Old Randall - 10/12/09 10:32 PM

Josh, IMO,

The spacers "look like" they are the red with the gray centers, and the middle Blue/Black spacer is actually a thick gray one putting the knife from the late 70's to the mid 80's.. Sheath does not match the era of the knife, it is actually mismatch and older (or very much used) than the knife itself.

---DW---

Posted by: Josh Fehnel

Re: This Old Randall - 10/12/09 10:49 PM

thanks everyone I have been trying to figure this out for a bit I have a 14 I am also trying to do but I wont load you all up with questions and photos I made an attempt to take a photo of the spacers closer up if it helps I just like to put a date on everything for piece of mind and I keep a data base of all my knives for insurance reasons. heres that photo

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 10/25/09 01:09 PM

Quote:

I think you meant to type red spacers and brass "hilt"? There were no brass spacers during this period that I have ever seen or heard of: "Collars"...but not metal spacers, at least not in brass. Advise...Thanks.
Best, Capt.Chris

Here is one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/RANDALL-KNIFE-VIETNA...=item3ca009b1c5

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 10/25/09 01:18 PM

I tweaked the exposure.......

Posted by: boardrider

Re: This Old Randall - 10/25/09 03:26 PM

Crutchtip, Couldn't Big Jims knife on ebay also be dated by the "original" gold paracords. I have heard that they were only used for a few years in the early 70s still Viet Nam era but later. This would dovetail with the 5 spacer comments by Tune earlier.

I think when the Capt. made the comment you quoted the original knife in question was thought to be mid 60s.

By the way Big Jim I have looked at your knife on ebay numerious times even came real close to "pushing the key" on that one. It would really complete a set of gold cords that I have with rivited JRBs (a crutchtip, astro, #15 and #14)

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 10/25/09 03:58 PM

Quote:

Crutchtip, Couldn't Big Jims knife on ebay also be dated by the "original" gold paracords. I have heard that they were only used for a few years in the early 70s still Viet Nam era but later. This would dovetail with the 5 spacer comments by Tune earlier.

Sure, it probably is early 70's and it is a custom spacer arrangement, so I wouldn't hold to the 'standards' with this one.

Quote:

I think when the Capt. made the comment you quoted the original knife in question was thought to be mid 60s.

Thought to be from the mid 60's by whom?

Quote:

By the way Big Jim I have looked at your knife on ebay numerious times even came real close to "pushing the key" on that one. It would really complete a set of gold cords that I have with rivited JRBs (a crutchtip, astro, #15 and #14)

Then by all means you absolutely should "push the key" !!

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 10/25/09 07:08 PM

Hey Joe & Griff,
Thanks for posting my #1.
When I bought that knife I took it to Tom Clinton.He held the sheath in one hand & the knife in the other,looked at them alternately for what seemed an eternity.Finally got that little smile on his face & said with the twinge of N.J.accent"This is Rare,all original RMK work".Needless to say I was happy as a clam.He always wanted that knife,I wish now I had sold it to him...
By the way,Tom dated it as very late 69 to early 70's.
Gold Paracord & SP 13 Stone seem to coincide.
I'll try to get a better close up of the spacer arrangment.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 03/11/10 03:55 PM

I got short changed on the choil, but I'm keeping it anyway

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 03/11/10 04:09 PM

Ron,
Great Hunter !!
I'm very happy you got it for your collection.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 03/11/10 04:22 PM

Hey Ron ...
Big choils are over rated!!!!!

Cool Randall!
Tony

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 03/11/10 04:32 PM

Thanks, Jim!

Tony: So now I'm stuck with this one?

Thanks and best,

Posted by: samg

Re: This Old Randall - 03/11/10 07:21 PM

Hey Ron,
Nice hunter. Being new to this, I got a question. It appears to have a small Ricasso, which probably dates it to 44 or later. When Bo redesigned the hunter in '45 he incorporated a longer choil so that one could place a finger there. So would this knife date to sometime in '44 before he made the changes? Just a guess.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 03/11/10 08:10 PM

Hi Sam,

I'm up to my Showtime in alligators at work right now. I'll get a reply back to you tomorrow morning.

Best,

Posted by: samg

Re: This Old Randall - 03/11/10 08:29 PM

Sounds good, look out for those snappers

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 03/12/10 08:42 AM

Ron ...
No problem ... you have all the bases covered!

... ANOTHER nice one!

Tony

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 03/12/10 11:03 AM

Quote:

Hey Ron,
Nice hunter. Being new to this, I got a question. It appears to have a small Ricasso, which probably dates it to 44 or later. When Bo redesigned the hunter in '45 he incorporated a longer choil so that one could place a finger there. So would this knife date to sometime in '44 before he made the changes? Just a guess.

Sam,

You can make a generalized statement that ricassos were smaller during the war years than post war, but you can't pin a knife down within the war years because of it's ricasso.

From my experience, the Hunter evolved into it's classic Model 3 features during the war and not suddenly post war! Early Hunters had a rudimentary choil, virtually no "hump" coming off the hilt, more of an upswept blade, a larger hilt and a handle that necked down very little. The knife I posted a photo of yesterday (which I put '44) and the photo in Gaddis' book on page 68 depict representative examples. By war's end Hunters had a conventional choil, a hump, less of an upsweep, a "normal" hilt and a necked down handle. Here are a few examples:

The one distinguishing feature between a WWII Hunter and a post war Model 3 is the former have a brass nut and washer and the latter a peened tang. If you look carefully at the leather handled field knives in Bo's new post war lineup on page 105 in Gaddis' book, you will see they all have a peened tang.

Note:

1. Model 3's made shortly after the war had a small stamp for a short period of time. Very shortly thereafter the 6" and 7" blade lengths went back to the large stamp. All WWII knives had a large stamp.

2. Brass nuts and washers were again used on some field knives in the early 50's. By this time the "blade flat" had gone away, so this is the "tell" that they are not WWII era.

3. Heiser sheaths for 6" Hunters made during the war had a narrow throat. Immediately post war Heiser sheaths for 5 1/2" and 6" blades had a wide throat. There were no differences in Heiser sheaths made for Hunter / Model 3 7" blades from mid '44 through mid '46.

Best

Posted by: samg

Re: This Old Randall - 03/12/10 12:12 PM

Ron,
Thanks for the wealth of info on the Hunters. Very detailed.
A couple of things that I have noticed about the white spacers for this time frame (40's) is that the white spacers used were both medium and narrow on leather handled knives. In the photos that I have seen, for example the one you mentioned, pp 105 in Gaddis' book, the hunter has thin white spacers, and the example in Sheldons book pp 27 that example has medium white spacers, so there doesn't seem to be a standard for the spacers in that era.Some examples have both thin and medium in the same knife. Do you have any thoughts on that?
Also, you mentioned that the Heiser wide throat sheath came post war. I read that the riveted throats were discontinued sometime in 48-49. Was the wide throat discontinued around the same time?
Thanks Ron, and thanks again for your major contribution on these beautiful old Randalls, and for posting all the fine examples of knives that you have in your collection.
Have a great weekend.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 03/12/10 02:30 PM

Thanks, Sam. Your follow up questions require another "tomorrow morning" response.

Best,

Posted by: samg

Re: This Old Randall - 03/12/10 02:50 PM

Thanks Ron,
In the meantime, I will continue to see what I can find from the books that I have. Still waiting on Hunts books.
Have a good one,

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 03/13/10 11:25 AM

Quote:

A couple of things that I have noticed about the white spacers for this time frame (40's) is that the white spacers used were both medium and narrow on leather handled knives. In the photos that I have seen, for example the one you mentioned, pp 105 in Gaddis' book, the hunter has thin white spacers, and the example in Sheldons book pp 27 that example has medium white spacers, so there doesn't seem to be a standard for the spacers in that era.Some examples have both thin and medium in the same knife. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Also, you mentioned that the Heiser wide throat sheath came post war. I read that the riveted throats were discontinued sometime in 48-49. Was the wide throat discontinued around the same time?

Originally Posted By: 7033grip

The name appears not to have been put there by the Randall shop.

It looks right to me, Dubie. What about it looks off to you?

Best,

Posted by: 7033grip

Re: This Old Randall - 05/20/10 03:24 PM

Maybe it's just the angle of the photo. The letters look too squatty.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 05/20/10 03:38 PM

They were a little "squatty" back then

Posted by: Knife Dork

Re: This Old Randall - 05/20/10 03:56 PM

There was also a little polishing resin still in the letters that makes them look Diff. as well.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 06/08/10 04:43 PM

WWII Hunters - an update:

Several years ago I picked up what I thought may have been a pre-war forging that was handled during WWII. It had a small double cut choil, a two stage blade upsweep and a Randall stamp almost half way out from the hilt:

There was no mention or photos of such a grind in any publication, although a knife owned by George Torres in Hunt's first book bore a vague resemblance. I've been collecting old Randalls long enough to know that what may generally assumed to be true at any given time is subject to change if more facts are brought to light. Last Friday at Blade another piece of the WWII Hunter puzzle walked up to Joe and my table. It is the bottom knife in this photo (The top knife is what I had thought was a pre-war forging).

They are similar enough for me to call them a different WWII Hunter "species"! The only published photo of a documented WWII Hunter comes from Bob Gaddis' book. Two of my WWII Hunters allign exactly with Bob's photo: Rudimentary choil and a "Scagelesque" grind:

Bob's photo:

So, they question arises: Which "species" came first, or were they made in parallel? The 6" Heiser sheaths are virtually identical, so doesn't help us. The double cut choil doesn't help us a George also owns a WWII Hunter with a double cut choil and an otherwise conventional Model 3 grind:

Looking at all four knives, the two with the two stage upsweep have "rougher" workmanship. Here is an example: The sides of the hilts on both were ground after they were soldered to the blade possibly indicating an earlier history:

Re: This Old Randall - 06/26/10 12:02 PM

Very cool old Randalls Burnie. I may have to start looking for some old ones myself.

Peter

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 06/26/10 12:28 PM

Careful Peter...... it's a slippery slope........

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 06/26/10 01:29 PM

Very nice additions, Bernie! I would hate to be collecting old fighters and be up against you and Tune

Posted by: Oldvetnam1

Re: This Old Randall - 06/27/10 08:20 AM

Great looking knives Burnie.

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 06/27/10 10:50 AM

Burnie,
do the words ... OLDIES BUT GOODIES ... ring a bell?

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 06/27/10 12:50 PM

I had never really had the itch to add a Springfield Fighter to my collection. Many I have seen are either well worn, or are later production knives that lacked the quality deserving of the Randall trademark. Until now....

I believe this knife is early Larson production. Mosser sheath with staples instead of rivets. The seller said his Father bought it then stored it in the basement for years. It's never been carried, but his Father must have sharpened it....both the stone and the blade show light marks. The sheath is in excellent condition.

The blade was wrapped in a waxy brown paper and inserted in the sheath. I don't know if that's how Larson shipped them.... but it sure helped preseve the blade. No rust....no pitting.

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/27/10 04:45 PM

Tune,
Great Springfield and you get all the good knives for sure!!!!!! Thanks for all the kind remarks.

Posted by: Aggiemike

Re: This Old Randall - 06/28/10 12:35 PM

Here is a nice pair I am trying to work out a deal on with the original owner who ordered them over he phone from Bo in 1947.

Mike Webb
RKS #4107

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 06/28/10 01:12 PM

Burnie,
Great Knives!!!

Mike,
Hope you get those #4's.I missed a pinned Ivory Double Hilt #4 a few years ago at Tulsa,still kicking myself.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Michael_Mason

Re: This Old Randall - 06/28/10 05:14 PM

Mike,

Beautiful knives. Best of luck to you. I hope you are able to put the deal together.

Michael Mason
RKS # 4382

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 06/29/10 04:51 PM

Here's one I dug up out of the "Bottom" of one of my safes. Pretty-much an old (for me) "tricked-out" Model #2-6". Quite a few unique features. Hope this isn't considered too "new" for you folks.
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 06/29/10 04:55 PM

The first batch are all the photos I took of the "leather", including 2 with the knife. These are special features and knife "only"...Enjoy!
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 06/29/10 04:56 PM

WOW...that is old for you Cap. Is that handle as flat as it looks in the pictures? What's the material?

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 06/29/10 05:04 PM

Tune:
I had a time getting the photos to load. Yes: It's a "slab-sided", Center-cut, Elephant ivory, 7 spacer, seperate "S" Model #2-6". One of the most unique fighters (or any other kind of Randall) I own. The knife, which I've had for a few years, is absolutely pristine. No checks or cracks..."yet"!
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Aggiemike

Re: This Old Randall - 06/29/10 05:25 PM

Very nice indeed Captain. Good luck with no cracking.

Mike Webb

Rks #4107

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 06/29/10 06:36 PM

In the words of one infamous forumite "I smell a trade"...... you'll be in the 'Ham on the 10th....?

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 06/29/10 06:44 PM

That's a real beauty Cap'n... no doubt!

Posted by: PATCH

Re: This Old Randall - 06/29/10 07:15 PM

Cap'n,

That's one beautiful knife. Thanks for sharing.

Scott

Posted by: pappy19

Re: This Old Randall - 06/29/10 11:21 PM

A real beauty, Cap!!

Pap

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 06/30/10 02:22 PM

Chris,
Great Old #2 !

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: Chuck_Nan

Re: This Old Randall - 06/30/10 02:25 PM

That is one sexy knife Cap!

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 06/30/10 02:47 PM

Thanks Jim...and don't be a starnger here, dude!

Mitchell: I'll be there...but my "sniffer" is a little blocked up on this one. I'll bring it along for you to see at least.

Everyone else: Thanks...
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/30/10 05:20 PM

One of the best looking model 2's Ive ever seen! Great knife Capt.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 06/30/10 06:10 PM

Nice piece, Cap! Also nice to see you in the Old Randall thread. BTW I don't consider a Randall "old" unless it older than us

Best,

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 06/30/10 06:30 PM

Cap.... consider a decongestant before coming to Birmingham!!!!!!

Posted by: Ed_T

Re: This Old Randall - 06/30/10 08:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback

Mitchell: I'll be there...but my "sniffer" is a little blocked up on this one. I'll bring it along for you to see at least.

Cap, I'll be there too. Just seeing that one in person will be worth the trip, so don't let Tune put it in his stash until I have a chance to play with it for maybe a couple of seconds

Also any chance you might have a certain black no-hone sheath with you on that particular Saturday ?

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 06/30/10 09:32 PM

I don't think so. I have a "tan" no hone sheath...or a "waxed" no hone sheath but the black one is gonna be bit of time yet...See you in Bama, Ed.
Best, Capt. Chris
PS: There is a whole bunch of website knives I listed that I'll be bringing, along with another dozen I have not had a chance to put on...Bring your "tradin' shoes"...CCS

Posted by: Ed_T

Re: This Old Randall - 07/01/10 12:32 AM

Sounds good. Check your emails.

Posted by: Octodog

Re: This Old Randall - 07/05/10 03:18 AM

Howdy, everyone. I'm fairly new to the Randall knife world, and brand new to this forum. The construction and quality of my new blades speaks for itself, and I wanted to learn a little more about these daggers. I hope these are old enough to justify posting on this thread! I had no idea where to ask so this seemed to be a good enough starting point.

The original owner lived in Orlando. An article was written about him in Life Magazine around 1965. I have the magazine, but cannot find right now. It's buried somewhere in my stuff.

Posted by: Ron

Re: This Old Randall - 08/17/10 11:02 PM

I was given this by a friend who thinks he bought it used in the early 1970s. The sheath has long since been lost and I have been meaning to send it in to have one made for it ever since he gave it to me. Any information about age estimations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
-Ron

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 08/17/10 11:05 PM

Love the fighters!

Here is a link to a 7" sheath on Ebay.... it's a newer sheath, not as old as your knife.

http://cgi.ebay.com/RANDALL-MODEL-1-FIGH...s#ht_500wt_1131

Posted by: tglassco

Re: This Old Randall - 08/17/10 11:11 PM

Spacers - 3 Thick, 2 Thin = Very late 60's to Early Mid 70's

From the info I have.

Nice Knife

Welcome To The RKS Forum

Posted by: fjg

Re: This Old Randall - 08/18/10 10:29 AM

I'm new to posting pictures, so please bear with me. I have an Solingen Knife. The back of the blade is stamped W. Germany.

Fred
RKS # 893

Posted by: fjg

Re: This Old Randall - 08/18/10 11:18 AM

The original owner lived in Orlando. His name is John O'Hare. You can look him up on the internet. An article was written about him in Life Magazine around 1965. I have the magazine, but cannot find right now. It's buried somewhere in my stuff.[/quote]

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 08/19/10 02:40 PM

Ron -

this is about what you should be looking for in a sheath:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250679752439

Posted by: Ron

Re: This Old Randall - 08/19/10 07:09 PM

Thanks for the help. I will probably send the knife back to Randall to have a new sheath made for it.
-Ron

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 08/19/10 08:10 PM

Consider this, by the time you pay for shipping and insurance both ways, the cost of the replacement sheath, and the wait, you may want to be patient and perhaps another period correct sheath will come up on ebay for around the same total investment of a new replacement. They do show up from time to time. You could also put an add in the buy-sell-trade forum here for a correct period sheath.

The point is, if you spend the time and money to get a new sheath, you are still only going to have the knife, as the new sheath won't add any value or collectibility to your knife.

Posted by: Ron

Re: This Old Randall - 08/19/10 09:07 PM

You do have a very good point. However, even if it would add to the collectibility, I am still using this knife hard (albeit in a less attractive sheath), and would hate to destroy a collectible sheath before I am ready to retire this knife to the safe. I will certainly keep my eyes out for a period sheath at a good price, though. Thanks.
-Ron

Posted by: pardinskie

Re: This Old Randall - 08/21/10 03:32 PM

Greetings to all,
I purchased this Randall around 1980 used from a knife shop. Just wondering if the experts can possibly give me any information about vintage, description, and or value. Just has been hanging out in the safe for many years and pull it out for admiring every now and again.
One specific question is the small cut outs at the hilt as seen on most model 13's i have seen. Choils I think they are called, why are they not on mine. Also as can be seen from the pics, the "Randall" stamp is not complete?

Thanks in advance for all replies.

Posted by: pardinskie

Re: This Old Randall - 08/21/10 04:07 PM

...contiued from last post....

Pics of sheath...

Posted by: New2Randalls

Re: This Old Randall - 08/21/10 05:58 PM

It looks like from the markings on the back of the sheath you have a model 13 with a 12 inch blade. Does the sheath have a stone pocket in the front? If so, can you also provide a description or a picture of the front of the sheath and the stone. I'm not the resident expert but this is my best guess and the additional information requested would be helpful to pinpoint the age.

Thanks for sharing,

Dan Snyder
RKS #5537
SHAG #010

Posted by: pardinskie

Re: This Old Randall - 08/21/10 06:38 PM

Thanks Dan,
I never paid much attention to the sheath markings. I find it interesting the 13 - 12 markings also, because it is a 6" blade that fits the knife perfectly.
Also the ink stamp not embossed "Randall" on the leather. Included is a pic of the front. No stone pocket, no stone, very well made.

Posted by: crisco

Re: This Old Randall - 08/22/10 08:22 PM

Found them in a box of old militaria.I was thinking of removing the red buttons and replacing them with velcro......maybe even filing finger grooves in the handle.

Posted by: New2Randalls

Re: This Old Randall - 08/22/10 08:39 PM

That's just strange. I also don't see a Randall stamp anywhere on the sheath. Perhaps one of the other Randall "experts" out there can help. It's a really nice looking model 13-6 with a forward curved hilt. As for the Randall stamp, it looks like it could have happen when they were grinding and polishing the blade.

Dan Snyder
RKS #5537
SHAG #010

Posted by: Steven

Re: This Old Randall - 08/22/10 10:25 PM

Most likely not the best of ideas. But your knives. what ever floats your boat.

Posted by: New2Randalls

Re: This Old Randall - 08/22/10 11:33 PM

The knives are worth more if you do not do any modifications to them, including the sheaths. If you want more user friendly knives, why don't you put them both up for sale and with the money you get purchase new ones. Just my .02 cents.

Dan Snyder
RKS #5537
SHAG #010

Posted by: Steven

Re: This Old Randall - 08/23/10 01:00 AM

I'm hoping this is just a joke.

Posted by: crisco

Re: This Old Randall - 08/23/10 05:33 AM

Yes just joking.Do they have any worth?

Posted by: Aggiemike

Re: This Old Randall - 08/23/10 10:03 AM

Crisco:

You ahve a mid 1940's hunter or skinner in a very nice Hesiser sheath. The knife from the photo at first glance looks to be a Model 4 (skinner) but does have some Model 3(hunter) characteristics.
Knife could be older than the sheath. Knife is worth maybe $1,500 or maybe more , who knows in todays market.I do not know what the other knife is.

Mike Webb
RKS #4107

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 08/23/10 10:31 AM

Re: This Old Randall - 08/28/10 01:23 PM

My golfname would be "Bogie"..No Humphrey...Just the "Bogie" part. Glad we could help.
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/04/10 05:51 PM

I think most everyone has their own "Holy Grail". Mine has been a pre-war Hunter to round out my Model 3 collection. They are so scarce that I had just about given up any hope when this one came my way complete with it's original C.J. Moore sheath..

I can't narrow the born on date any closer to the 4th quarter of 1939 (When Bo got his first trademark stamp) and the 4th quarter of 1942 (When Bo made the first Zacharias Fighter), but the blade grind is a close cousin to Bo's own "Brooks Brothers" knife on page 63 of Gaddis' book which was made in 1940.

I hope you enjoy the pics:

Best,

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: This Old Randall - 12/04/10 06:11 PM

Wow, that knife blows me away!

Posted by: Aggiemike

Re: This Old Randall - 12/04/10 06:39 PM

Amazing!!! The "Holy Grail" of Randalls. I am glad you have it. It is certainly the center piece of your amazing collection.

Mike Webb

Posted by: Rick_Bowles

Re: This Old Randall - 12/04/10 06:58 PM

Ron,
A very special and historically significant Randall. I had heard about this and I've been waiting for the unveiling! Congratz! It couldn't be in better company.

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: This Old Randall - 12/04/10 07:08 PM

How many knives from that era are still in existence?

Posted by: Peter_Kaufman

Re: This Old Randall - 12/04/10 07:08 PM

Ron
Very cool knife, and a great addition to your collection. It seems in excellent shape for its age. Would it be possible for you to tell us how you located this gem?

Peter

Posted by: Moosehead

Re: This Old Randall - 12/04/10 07:19 PM

Congratulations Ron!

This exceptional knife is truly a once in a life time find, and it makes an incredible addition to your already spectacular collection of early "Hunters".

I couldn't wish this beautiful blade a better home.

Cheers!

David

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/04/10 09:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Aggiemike

Amazing!!! The "Holy Grail" of Randalls. I am glad you have it. It is certainly the center piece of your amazing collection.

Mike Webb

Thanks very much, Mike!

Originally Posted By: Rick_Bowles

Ron,
A very special and historically significant Randall. I had heard about this and I've been waiting for the unveiling! Congratz! It couldn't be in better company.

Thanks as well, Rick. I tried to take some pics last weekend, but they didn't turn out very well and I didn't figure out the problem until this morning.

Originally Posted By: Leatherman

How many knives from that era are still in existence?

That's a good question, Leatherman. I can only give you an account of the ones I know about. There is "Bo's first knife" owned by Rhett that I had the good fortune to handle at a Blade Show. There are the ones in the Randall Museum that I've seen photos of. There is one I know about that surfaced and changed hands 10-15 years ago (There is a photo of that knife's spacers in Pete's book). There is a carver that I ownned at one time (Photo in Sheldon's book). The last is an all S/S "Fishing Knife" I owned at one time. That's about it.

Originally Posted By: Peter_Kaufman

Ron
Very cool knife, and a great addition to your collection. It seems in excellent shape for its age. Would it be possible for you to tell us how you located this gem?

Peter

Thanks, Peter. This one came to me. A fair number of people know I just collect Hunters.

Originally Posted By: Moosehead

Thanks, David!

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: This Old Randall - 12/04/10 09:14 PM

Whoa, just hearing about all those historical artifacts changing hands is scary. IMO these caliber of Randalls should be in the shop museum, or with someone such as yourself or Rhett, Capt Chris, etc for book photos, knife shows and display like on this forum. To think anyone (like me) could potentially buy a knife like this is scary!

Posted by: rodbrown

Re: This Old Randall - 12/05/10 03:49 AM

Ron
What a superb knife!! Congratulations on obtaining the knife. It could not belong to a more worthy RMK collector.

Posted by: Michael_Mason

Re: This Old Randall - 12/05/10 08:38 AM

Congratulations on that find Ron. An exceptional knife in anyones book. That piece could not have found a better collector to have put it's roots down with. Happy Hunting:)

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 12/05/10 11:09 AM

Congrats Ron...finding a piece like that hunter is what makes collecting so rewarding.

Posted by: cliff14094

Re: This Old Randall - 12/05/10 11:49 AM

That knife is just beautiful Ron.

Cliff
RKS #23

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/05/10 11:58 AM

Rod / Michael / Tune / Cliff: Thanks! Much appreciated.

Leatherman: I had forgotten that a late 30's early 40's "fancy handled" carving set came up on e-bay maybe 6-7 years ago. If I remember right, the seller had run across it at a garage sale and that seller had literally given the set away.

Best,

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: This Old Randall - 12/05/10 12:01 PM

Originally Posted By: BoBlade

Thats very scary! I hope that carving set is in good hands now.

Again, that knife is a beauty, congrats!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/05/10 12:45 PM

Leatherman,

It was bought by a purveyor who turned it to a serious collector. It's in good hands, but unfortunately it won't see the light of day as long as that collector is living. You can bet that there are a fair number of amazing old Randalls buried deep in collections that most people are unaware of.

Thanks again for your kind comments.

Best,

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 12/05/10 05:02 PM

WOW!
Ron, after being absent a little while during this busy weekend, what a treat to return to!
Congrats on this great find.
Tony

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/05/10 08:42 PM

Hey and thanks, Tony. I hope it was a good weekend!

Best,

Posted by: New2Randalls

Re: This Old Randall - 12/05/10 08:48 PM

Gee Ron, you'd think after all these years of collecting Randalls you'd know that you don't buy those old dirty Randalls but bright shiny new ones

Great looking Randall. You always seem to be able to find the rare ones...

Dan

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/06/10 01:02 AM

Just keep drumming that into my head, Dan. It may finally sink in sometime

(Thanks)

Posted by: Guido_Bitossi

Re: This Old Randall - 12/06/10 08:19 AM

Ron...SUPER-NICE...old knife! SUPERB !
best
Guido

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 12/06/10 08:53 AM

I've been land-locked all weekend, due to having to work the Tampa show. I just got the first chance to check this out: Ron...Not only thanks for the cool knife photos and story, but thanks for contributing to the "This Old Randall" forum. I appreciate it and urge other folks out there, lurkers as well, to please join us. There is a wealth of knowledge floating around out there we need to see and learn from! Great post Ron!!
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: TAH

Re: This Old Randall - 12/06/10 09:08 AM

That's one special knife, Ron. Congrats! Now that you have your Holy Grail, you can finally stop huntin' down old Randalls and start that stamp collection.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/06/10 10:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Guido_Bitossi

Ron...SUPER-NICE...old knife! SUPERB !
best
Guido

Thanks, Guido!

Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback

My pleasure, Cap. Glad you enjoyed the post.

Originally Posted By: TAH

That's one special knife, Ron. Congrats! Now that you have your Holy Grail, you can finally stop huntin' down old Randalls and start that stamp collection.

Thanks, Tom. I still have a lot of voids to fill in, so it's business as usual. Truth be known, my parents were stamp collectors and I collected between the ages of 8 and 12. I still have that old stamp collection, but I sold my 50 cent Graf Zeppelin to buy a knife when I was about 14

Best,

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 12/11/10 10:27 AM

Here's an oldie, and certainly a goodie.
I just wish it were mine!

This #18 is in the collection of the Museum of Modern Art in NYC.
http://www.moma.org/collection/object.php?object_id=3377

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 12/11/10 10:59 AM

Interesting things about this piece. Notice it has a screw in cap with a pinched tube. This proved problematic for RMK, as the pinched tube even though pinche at the hilt, it tended to deform the remainder of the tube. This rendered threading ineffective by not be able to maintain the orignal round shape.

You will also notice the brazed thong ring on the butt cap. This too was short lived to maybe only a couple of examples made. Hunt has a photo of one such as this in one of his books, showing why it was short lived, but his knife has the round tube all the way to the hilt.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 12/11/10 11:26 AM

I knew we'd hear from you on this, Crutch! Tony LaPetri posted this photo on another thread. I recognized it, immediately, as a rare combination. I am wondering just how far inside of the tube the end of the #18 blade actually extends. I would venture to say not as far as a good many other examples featuring the Crutch tip, for the reasons you have mentioned.
This is just "me"...but it only makes sense that the longer the tang on the inside of this tube...the more problematic the Randall shop would have had in maintaining a perfectly round end to thread. Have you had a chance to see one like (or nearly like) this one, Joe? If not, I guess we just have to go to the MoMA and check this one out.
Thanks for posting, Crutch! Always good to get your educated spin on things....(well...maybe not "spin")
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: jrandall

Re: This Old Randall - 12/11/10 03:36 PM

Chris/Joe,

#18 handles are threaded before they are soldered to the hilt. I don't recall ever seeing a pinched tube with a threaded butt.
Long tangs on 18's leave little room for storage.

jason

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 12/11/10 03:55 PM

I agree Jason. It's rare. That was my point. I knew the threading and knurling were done prior to install, but am curious about the long vs. short tang inside on "this knife". Being it is threaded I was thinking it may have a short tang inside. Transitional stuff?? Who knows?? Thanks for posting.
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 12/12/10 05:22 PM

That is the point, it probably didn't take but a couple of tries before it was determined that pinching the tube at the hilt as I understand it was done, also deformed it a bit at the threaded end enough to prevent screwing the cap in. This knife may be the only example, it is the only one I recall seeing.

Although the pinched tube and square sided hilt is more attractive for many of us, the practicality of trying to maintain that shape with the threaded cap fell short. I suppose you could have used a mandrel to hold the shape at the threads but probably wasn't an option relative to efficiency at the shop. Changing the shape of hilt killed two birds with one stone. Pinching of the tube was no longer necessary, and threading was unaffected.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 01/16/11 06:52 PM

I finally found a little time to catch up on some knife porn....

I have added these five in the last few months. There are more pictures and descriptions on my site. www.tunefink.com/RMK.

Mid 40's Model #1 with 7" blade

A 1946 - 47 Model #1 with an 8" blade. Notice the peened tang, no nut.

An early 50's Model #1 with a 7" blade and ivory handle with finger grips!

A mid 60's Model #14 Humpback Solingen with 7-1/2" stainless blade and a filled hole micarta handle.

And a cool little Model #1 with a 6" carbon blade...check out the "S" shaped hilt!

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 01/16/11 08:09 PM

Quote:

knife porn....

Real Nice Additions Mitchell! Nice goin'!!!!
Tony

Posted by: HALORANGER

Re: This Old Randall - 01/16/11 10:18 PM

Very nice knives.

Posted by: Peter_Kaufman

Re: This Old Randall - 01/17/11 07:43 AM

Mitchell
Nice additions to a great collection. You picked up some great new old knives.

Peter

Posted by: Oldvetnam1

Re: This Old Randall - 01/17/11 08:42 AM

Great knives Mitchell.

Posted by: Litch

Re: This Old Randall - 01/18/11 09:18 AM

Re: This Old Randall - 07/07/11 11:10 PM

Gosh, I really love old knives and these vintage Randall's are awesome. I'll be paying more attention to this thread in the future for updates. Thanks for a really great thread.

Posted by: boardrider

Re: This Old Randall - 08/03/11 02:55 PM

Sorry for the shameless plug, however...I just with the help of my daughter started a web site with quite a few "old" Randalls on it. Capt. or Rick, how could I become a "banner" member? Thanks!

Posted by: fsykes

Re: This Old Randall - 09/20/11 06:06 AM

Hello,
I am selling my knife collection of 30years, nearly all military production knives of little interest to this forum. But I did buy in the late 70's early 80's two Custom knives, one a Randall.
I know it is a model 2, 7" blade, Yellow Micarta hilt. I don't have a real idea of it's value, so if anyone could give me an idea I will have something to work on.
It has been wrapped up for all this time, only took it out a half dozen times to look at it, because I think it is beautiful.
Then again I think all my knives are beauties!
Anyway, here it is.
Thanks.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 09/20/11 09:04 AM

Early 1950's (1953 is what the customer said) Model #4-5". Prior to 1954 at least, per the "note" I received from the previous owner...Regardless: Pinned stag, grey stone, brown button Heiser...In other words, A nice knife!
Enjoy, Capt. Chris
PS: I hope more of you folks post some pics of your "oldies but goodies"...CCS

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 09/20/11 09:37 AM

Capt.,
Nice #4
Here are a couple of my oldies.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 09/20/11 10:53 AM

Rocky,

What is the blade length on the model #2? It looks like 5"....?

Nice looking knife....

Posted by: fsykes

Re: This Old Randall - 09/20/11 02:13 PM

Sorry were you talking to me? I can't see a Rocky but maybe I didn't go back far enough.
Apologies if you mean someone else.
If you did mean me it is a 7" blade.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 09/20/11 02:56 PM

Sykes,

My question was for the value man on the old stag #2...... if you want to email me on the old yellow I can give you some comparisons.

Posted by: EDO

Re: This Old Randall - 09/21/11 05:51 AM

"My" Model 4.

Nice Peter,
Put "Flitz" or "Semichrome" on the whole knife, all of it. Rub-n-rub-n-rub real hard...repeat several times. Get some Johnson's hard wax (in a can) for wood. It's really good for everything. Apply it to the entire knife, including the sheath, liberally and rub-n-rub-n-rub. You'll love the outcome and it won't ruin any collectablility.
Good luck with it, Capt. Chris
PS: You don't need the wax on the "rough" part of the roughback sheath...CCS

Posted by: pappy19

Re: This Old Randall - 09/24/11 08:34 PM

Really good find. A great user especially if you go fishing.

Pap

Posted by: RainyDay

Re: This Old Randall - 09/24/11 08:45 PM

Don't touch it. Send it directly to me. You really should get yourself a new one and not have to deal with polishing and sharpening and all that stuff

Rainy

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 09/24/11 08:56 PM

Yo Peter!
Nice find! An old beauty!
Tony

Posted by: Oldvetnam1

Re: This Old Randall - 09/25/11 06:52 AM

Nice find Peter.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 09/25/11 10:57 AM

Peter,

I agree with Joe. I think the knife looks great the way it is. Also, using Flitz on the blade will eventually turn the original brushed, satin finish closer to a mirror finish - very bright.

Posted by: Guido_Bitossi

Re: This Old Randall - 09/26/11 11:17 AM

Capt,
can you please explain to me how it comes this Gambler getting its sheath marked as 8-4S.
No doubt I got it like it's shown...and it perfectly fits in it!
Thanks in advance Capt.
Best
GG

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 09/26/11 12:55 PM

I think the exact same explanation as the "first Pathfinders" Guido. Johnny Johnson simply used a pattern he had and denoted it with the "S" for "Special". No documentation to prove this, but that's what I have concluded and GTR seems pleased with that explanation. Nice knife, by the way.
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Guido_Bitossi

Re: This Old Randall - 09/27/11 03:22 AM

Muchas gracias my Capitano !

Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: This Old Randall - 10/09/11 08:56 PM

Can anyone give me a good guess as to the age of this knife. It is a Andy Thornal Special.The spacers seem to be a gold color with brass mixed in. The blade is stamped A.T.-S. # 25. The stone is white but the marking are worn off. The blade is 0-1 tool steel. The stag fits in my left hand like is was made for it. The handle is a quite large piece of stag. Thanks for any info.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 10/09/11 10:23 PM

Stone and sheath say early 70's ...... but the brass and black spacers throw me a little. Cool knife.

Posted by: Jacknola

Re: This Old Randall - 10/16/11 10:51 PM

I recently acquired this 12-8, the only non-model 14 I own. I am very taken with it. My best guess at age is approximately 1971 - which I guess qualifies it as "this old Randall" - but I would appreciate other, expert, opinions and reasoning. Though I'm an engineer familier with metals, I'm not knowledgable about wood so any opinons about the handle would also be appreciated.

Second question is about the odd pattern on the sheath. This looks a little as if mold had attacked the sheath and it was cleaned, yet the knife and sheath and stone are pretty much in unused condition. I really kinda like the "camouflage" look, just wonder if anyone knows what could be the source of the pattern. Thanks

Posted by: kalervo

Re: This Old Randall - 10/17/11 04:33 AM

Very nice 12-8.
Dont know about the age.The looks much like olive wood but it could be ironwood burl.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 10/17/11 10:05 AM

I think the handle is walnut and I think the sheath is, like many natural leather skins, showing some type of condition that was prominent prior to tanning. Much the same as barbed wire marks that will not show until after the natural leather is tanned (or dipped). If it were a case of mold from "after" the fact that....then how come the hone pocket and keeper are not showing any of the same pattern? The front piece of the main sheath appears to be the only one affected. After posting, I did go back and notice some of the same pattern on the lower half of the hone pocket. Nice package at any rate.
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: HALORANGER

Re: This Old Randall - 10/17/11 12:04 PM

Nice knife Jack.

Posted by: Jacknola

Re: This Old Randall - 10/19/11 01:43 AM

Thanks for the nice comments.

Re: Handle material - for those interested, there is a model 1-7 on E-bay with what appears to be similar handle material.

The knife handle ID on E-bay concurs with an independent opinion from another knowledgable source, that the handle of my 12-8 is possibly made of maple burl.

Apparently maple burl was available in two catalogs in the early 70-71-72 period. The apparently newer model 1 on E-bay (at least the sheath is 1995+ or so) indicates it was availabe at other times or was specially supplied. D***! that is beautiful wood! I'm surprised not seeing more of it in posted pictures.

Posted by: Jacknola

Re: This Old Randall - 10/19/11 02:22 AM

I acquired this Solingen 14 recently. This is not a “pretty knife,” and I’m sure everyone has seen many examples. But the sheath is interesting … dyed black … apparently field-dyed, not factory. You can see brown leather in the crevasses and inside the stone pocket, etc. These dye-jobs were fairly common in Vietnam to combat mold.

Posted by: Oldvetnam1

Re: This Old Randall - 10/19/11 05:15 AM

It looks like it provided someone a lot of hard service. Great find.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 10/19/11 06:29 AM

Jack,
I have lots of maple burl. It is one of my "go to" choices, when it comes to building a Randall knife. Your Bowie doesn't seem to have all of the characteristics of a maple. There are no burls, for one thing. In the 70's the Randall shop had a decent amount of walnut, figured just like your Bowie. Although it certainly could be something else, I still believe it is exhibition-grade walnut. Whatever the outcome, it's a nice piece.
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 10/19/11 08:34 AM

Cool looking "ugly" Randall, Jack!

A serious tool for sure.
Tony

Posted by: Jacknola

Re: This Old Randall - 10/19/11 08:54 PM

Thanks Tony, the old vet has seen some travel.. I like it, and I like the home-made dye touch. Now to find or create a period stone to replace the replacement stone.

I'd never noticed before, but it seems like the older Solingens had a slimmer profile near the ricosso than the Orlando blades, and perhaps later Solingens ... but then again I haven't handled very many of them. This blade is a hair over 1" at the guard while my Orlando model-14 blades are approximatly 1.125" with maybe some slight variation.

Captain, I concede the wood. I spent an hour or so brousing the net looking at various woods for handles. Walnut looks closest even though this grain is pretty swirly and large-scale. I "coulda-shoulda" known better than to opine on things I don't know better... such as "wooda."

Thanks for the help, Regards.

Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: This Old Randall - 10/20/11 02:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Jacknola

...it seems like the older Solingens had a slimmer profile near the ricosso than the Orlando blades, and perhaps later Solingens ...

Interesting--your comment made me go and compare knives. I have no Solingen 14's, but I do have a Solingen 15 that I bought from Randall in the 1960's. I measured the width of it and of my other 15s, and all are just a hair over one inch.
(By the way, I measured my 14s bought from the 1960's to a couple years ago, and all measure a hair over 1-1/4 inch.)

Posted by: Jacknola

Re: This Old Randall - 10/20/11 10:26 PM

Thanks Steve, this could be an interesting topic if a pattern could be developed.

I measured the blades immediately next to the guard, where they were narrowed by the choil. Both of my Orlando carbon-blade 14s, one '69-70, one teethed 1973 were right at 1 1/8" give or take a hair. But both blades were about 1 1/4" just beyond the cutout choil. Did you measure your blades at the guard?

The Solingen 14, assume '67-'68 (though blade could have been forged earlier), measured 1"+ at the guard, and 1 3/16 immediately after the end of the choil. Given the handfinished nature of these blades some variation is expected. But I would think that 1/8th inch is outside of normal variation.

Focusing on Viet era model 14s, what I wish is that we had fairly exact measurements right at the guard for a number of Orlando blades and as many solingen blades as we could get.

I have a back-of-the-brain impression that earlier Solingens may have had a slimmer blade than the time-equivilent Orlando carbons... but I wonder if that was true across the span of time that Solingen 14s were made, or if the Solingen blades got "wider" with time.

For that matter, I also wonder if the Orlando blade got wider (at the guard) over time... These questions need help and data from guys with serious numbers in their collections, with a decent idea of date of provenence.

Perhaps this would make a good separate topic. Thanks for your comments and input.

Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: This Old Randall - 10/21/11 03:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Jacknola

...Orlando carbon-blade 14s, one '69-70, one teethed 1973 were right at 1 1/8" give or take a hair.

OOPS!
I measured within a hair of 1-1/8, NOT 1-1/4. My error in typing. SORRY!

Posted by: Sidney_Redford

Re: This Old Randall - 12/10/11 07:18 PM

Here are a couple of Mod. 4's One has 7in blade,7spacers and Johnson rough back sheath. The other has 5in blade,7spacers,pinned handle and H.H.Heiser sheath. I may go to e-bay with both of these, haven't made up my mind yet. Both have names on the blades.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/10/11 07:35 PM

Hi Sidney,

Nice knives! The 7" is a Model 3 (Hump coming off the hilt). 3-7 and 4-7 sheaths were interchangable as far as the shop was concerned in that era. Your sheath is a very early Johnson by virtue of the logo being horizontal.

Best,

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 12/11/11 10:29 AM

Sidney,
GREAT OLD RANDALLS! Thanks for posting.
Tony

Posted by: kalervo

Re: This Old Randall - 12/19/11 05:46 PM

This old Randalls is Respect :-)

Posted by: Billyray

Re: This Old Randall - 01/13/12 04:53 PM

Hi, I'm new to the forum and thought I'd throw a couple of my knives on here for comments. I bought them last year from an aquaintance who said he bought them new in 1969. Since I knew the white Norton stones came out around then, I knew they were vintage knives. I bought them as an investment and plan to hang on to them for a while at least. One of the knives is an unsharpened, unused Model 12-8 with roughback sheath. The other is a Model 2-7 that has been sharpened, with the roughback sheath. Both knives were stored in their sheaths, but are still in pretty nice conditon. So based on the stones, sheaths and five spacer pattern, does it look to you guys like these knives are roughly from around 1969 or soon after? Also does anybody have any idea what kind of wood the handles are? Maybe mahogany?
Thanks for any comments!

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 01/13/12 05:41 PM

Very nice Billyray!

Welcome to the forums.

They may be a little newer that '69.... the model 2 would have been a 7 spacer knife in '69. maybe '71, but still great vintage knives with correct stones and sheathes...

Posted by: burkhardty10

Re: This Old Randall - 02/01/12 11:02 AM

Hey All. I received this knife from my Grandpa. He said it bought it directly from Randall in the 1950's. He said he bought it because he wanted to go kill bears in Alaska, but never made it. Is it simply a fighter knife with a carved antler handle? How rare is it?

Posted by: TAH

Re: This Old Randall - 02/01/12 11:11 AM

Looks like a Model 5 "Camp & Trail" with a 6" or 7" blade and Heiser sheath. Handle is sambar stag. Blade is O-1 tool steel. How rare? In that condition - rare. Needless to say, it's a beauty!

Thanks for posting and welcome to the forums.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 02/01/12 11:19 AM

It's a 5-7 made in the very early 50's. The "tell" is the flare at the throat of the Heiser sheath. The condition is remarkable. Congratulations and welcome.

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: This Old Randall - 02/01/12 11:20 AM

Looks like a 5-7 in decent shape. I wish I still had my fighting knife booklet but I somehow lost it in a move a few years back...

Posted by: burkhardty10

Re: This Old Randall - 02/01/12 01:25 PM

Any idea what it's worth. I've tried searching for sales of 5-7's but am not having luck.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 02/01/12 02:03 PM

They don't come up for sale that often, especially in that condition. Two reasons (1) It wasn't a popular model in that era compared to most other models. (2) The older a knife is, the higher the attrition rate over time. I sold this one ~ 5 years ago for something like $1,700.00 if memory serves (Disclaimer: Sometimes it doesn't!):

They're not the same knives and it's not the same market. BUT, it should give you a general idea.

I'm curious: Can you describe the stone in the pocket?

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 02/01/12 05:50 PM

This has been brought up before, this thread is not intended for questions and price checks of newly acquired knives. It is intended for display and discussion of knives generally in collections.

The general forum is where to take this type of post.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 02/01/12 05:58 PM

Good point, Joe. Hopefully a mod can move it.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 02/01/12 06:06 PM

It's a beautiful, rare knife...hold on to it!!
That is apparently all I can say on this thread.
:-)Rocky

Posted by: burkhardty10

Re: This Old Randall - 02/02/12 11:02 AM

Sorry. No more value talks.
Bo - The stone is white and has "Washita Made In The USA" stamped on it.

Posted by: VSickle

Re: This Old Randall - 02/12/12 06:06 PM

This Randall Bowie was presented to my father, Dick W. Van Sickle, by Bo and Gary Randall in December, 1965, in the presence of foreman William Platts and the rest of the ‘Gang’. The blade carries the inscription ‘Our largest Bowie to our largest Bowie Dealer’ and the knife handle includes a brass plate with my father’s initials DWVS. During the 1960’s and early 1970’s, my father was Randall’s largest dealer. Dad died as a result of injuries from a car accident in 1971. This Randall Bowie was pictured in the 1973 issue of The Gun Digest Book of Knives (by B.R. Hughes and Jack Lewis) within section 3. THE RANDALL LOOK: W.D. Randall, Jr., a pioneer in his own right, was the first of today’s custom knifemakers. I displayed it at various gun shows in Texas a number of years ago but it has been ‘in storage’ most of the time. Recently, I met with Gary and Jason Randall in their shop in Orlando. Gary remembers the building of this Bowie and the presentation to my father. This Bowie has been authenticated by Perry Miller as the second largest known Randall Bowie (the largest Bowie being the one displayed in the Randall museum). This Bowie is made from ½” stock, has a 15” blade, is 22” long, and weighs 6 lbs. My father had a sheath custom made by Cheney from Oklahoma to fit the Bowie. I decided to post pictures of the Bowie and information relating to it after learning from Perry that it is likely many Randall collectors do not know of its existence.

Frank Van Sickle
vsickle@suddenlink.net

Posted by: DUH120

Re: This Old Randall - 02/12/12 06:31 PM

very informative

Posted by: Oldvetnam1

Re: This Old Randall - 02/12/12 06:34 PM

That is one fantastic knife. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: boardrider

Re: This Old Randall - 02/12/12 06:45 PM

That's a real beauty, certainly makes my favorites list.

Posted by: Doug74

Re: This Old Randall - 02/12/12 06:48 PM

Wow--Frank, thanks for sharing. What a knife.

P.S.--And, sheath I might add.

Posted by: Robert Frey

Re: This Old Randall - 02/12/12 07:40 PM

Now, that's a knife!!!

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 02/12/12 08:09 PM

Great piece of Randall history Frank.....Thank you for posting.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 02/12/12 09:31 PM

Thank you for the photo's the knife is a beauty!!
A true classic!!
How 'bout a name?
:-)Rocky

Posted by: Neale_Jenkinson

Re: This Old Randall - 02/13/12 01:48 AM

wonderful knife and story,thanks for sharing.

Posted by: Rick Magee

Re: This Old Randall - 02/13/12 06:48 AM

Great knife! Thanks for the pics and for the history.

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 02/13/12 09:45 AM

Great Randall and a great story.
Thanks for sharing!
Tony

Posted by: Steven

Re: This Old Randall - 02/13/12 12:10 PM

Great Randall Bowie!!

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 02/13/12 04:33 PM

Frank,
Finally found the name....
toooo many cocktails
I'm just luv'n that knife!! It's a 1/2" blade?? WoW!!
I'd love to hold that thing!!
don't drop on your toe...
:-)Rocky

Posted by: TAH

Re: This Old Randall - 02/14/12 08:30 AM

Frank,

What a great knife and sheath! 6 lbs - I don't think all my Randalls weigh that much together.

Posted by: Tanasie

Re: This Old Randall - 02/17/12 03:18 PM

Big Jim...thought I'd get this thread back to the top by adding my Model #8-4" Bird & Trout...with the Low 'S'.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 02/17/12 05:44 PM

This thread has "always been at the top"...and why don't we hear from Big Jim anymore? Jim: If you read this, I miss ya'. Give me a call, email, post up or come to the Blade show.
Best, Capt. Chris
PS: Rex: Not to spoil your thunder: That's a fine example of a low "S" Trout & Bird...CCS

Posted by: Tanasie

Re: This Old Randall - 02/17/12 06:31 PM

Captain...
You did'nt steal my 'thunder' or 'lightning'..I don't have any, I know the thread is locked at the top of the page..I was just addressing it as 'Big Jim's' thread, which it is. And you're asking ME where Big Jim is and why he doesn't post anymore ? Where's our other friends like Chief, Kevin,and Rick Bowles, Burnie and many other's whose input was alway's appreciated.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 02/17/12 07:01 PM

Burnie still posts and I talk to him all the time. Kevin & Rick Bowles were banned...but not Big Jim. I like that guy and miss his input and "photos"! Now that dude has some fine "oldies"!
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 02/18/12 08:18 AM

Last time I heard from Big Jim, he was in poor health....hope he is doing better!!
Maybe he'll show at BLADE this year
He's the fellow that got this knife from my dad...the honest way!!
A true gentleman
one of the few he let go of without going through eBay
I thnik that this photo should keep us within thread guidelines...
:-)Rocky

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 02/18/12 03:20 PM

Originally Posted By: thevalueman

Thanks for the kind words Rocky,I'm not quite sure about the poor health.I had a minor surgery a couple of years ago but all is well with me.
I don't post much anymore as my collecting has gone in a different direction.I was blessed to own quite a few fantastic (IMHO) knives.
Good to see the "This Old Randall" thread still chugging along.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!

Posted by: boardrider

Re: This Old Randall - 02/18/12 03:26 PM

That's a nice tennite, what is the backstory on that one?

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 02/18/12 04:45 PM

Hope you stop by, from time-to-time, Jim. It's good to hear from ya'.
Thanks, Capt. Chris

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 02/18/12 05:16 PM

Big Jim,
That's what it was...Sorry
Did not want to push you over the edge!!
We are all getting there fast enough!!
Glad to hear from you...See you at BLADE???
As far as the story goes on the knife.....
It was in a display, in my fathers bedroom while I was a child.
We moved, and shortly after a bunch were stolen...Hidden inside a sheetrock wall in a commerical establishment for several years untill a water leak happened, and they were found, and returned...funny, now days they would not have an idea who's they were, but in the older days, they used to remember that kind of stuff. Anyway they were recovered, however as many have seen, they were in poor condition, due to the humidity...
The #15 was one of them, and faired better than most of the others...did not know what we had untill I posted a photo of it in a listing for another Randall...figured I would get some feedback. I do not remember how many were asking about it, however there were quite a few....all of which(except Big Jim) were more than happy to relieve me of the knife for a samll remittance....like I said, all but Big Jim, who was honest, and made a good offer!! The first Randall selling experience I had, and a good one to remember.
Thanks Big Jim
:-)Rocky

Posted by: BOB_TEATES

Re: This Old Randall - 02/18/12 05:25 PM

good to see you Big Jim.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 04/04/12 01:27 AM

I have traded several knives away that I regretted soon afterward..... this was one of those knives. It was a good trade value wise, but I always missed this knife......and now I have it back

It's an early to mid 50's 7" fighter, brass hilt, with a pinned stag handle. The sheath is a brown button Heiser, wide stone flap and a horizontal keeper.

A classic old Randall.

Posted by: Duke

Re: This Old Randall - 04/04/12 02:32 AM

Really nice looking, classic knife Tune. Glad you put the picture up.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 04/04/12 05:41 AM

Beautiful!!
Glad you got it back.
:-)Rocky

Posted by: Buck Buchanan

Re: This Old Randall - 06/02/12 03:59 PM

Just so you know that luck shines on everybody BUT dealers, collectors & users of Randall Knives.

A friend of mine sent me a photo of a knife that his brother-in-law picked up at a yard sale last Saturday for $20.00.

He said the sheath was marked, H.H. Heiser, Denver, Colo.

I told my friend to tell his b-i-l, I would double his money, I might even hold out to pay $50.00.

I was told he's going to keep it.

I advised him as to what he had, and told him what to do & not do with the knife.

Posted by: Aggiemike

Re: This Old Randall - 06/02/12 04:44 PM

Buck:

Nice catch! Maybe a late 40's era. Do u have photos of the sheath?

Mike Webb

Posted by: alf

Re: This Old Randall - 06/02/12 07:54 PM

Tune, i know you may hate the idea of buying it twice, but think about what a friend of mine told me years back....you cannot pay too much, you can only pay too soon...

Buck, thanks for letting me know those are still out there....rarer all the time as people are able to simply look on internet....but also glad it was an innocent who gave someone $20 for that which makes it great....someone knowingly taking something such as that from some widow-lady selling her hubby's stuff or something really sticks in my craw...

Posted by: pappy19

Re: This Old Randall - 06/03/12 09:11 PM

Yeah, me too. The guy is a jerk, IMHO.

Pap

Posted by: pappy19

Re: This Old Randall - 07/24/12 09:32 PM

Here's one to lick your chops on:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RANDALL-KNIFE-AN...=item4d034be917

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 09/09/12 08:09 PM

This is one of the absolute best threads on our forums. I urge each and every one of you to post up your collectable Randalls and tell us about them. A wealth of knowledge will come your way,. I guarantee it!
I'll post a few photos of one of my latest aquisitions (Thanks Miles) and let everyone pipe up and tell us what they know about these rare Randalls. No...it is not being offered for sale...just for discussion.
Thanks, Capt. Chris

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 09/10/12 08:23 AM

WOW!
Very Cool. And the crows beak butt cap is perfect on that hatchet.

Posted by: Ironworker

Re: This Old Randall - 09/10/12 08:57 AM

Nice score,Bo bought the remaining stock of axe heads from marble's. No.9 and No.2. About 30 made up,with some remaining to build if Randall every gets some extra time

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 09/10/12 11:46 AM

I was told "less than 50" Walt. 30 is probably about right. Anybody want to comment on "reasons" why this hatchet is legit? There are 2 or 3 "clues" in the photos.
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: EDO

Re: This Old Randall - 09/17/12 04:32 PM

bellissima!

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 09/17/12 04:40 PM

Thanks Edo & everyone else,
The "5 wide spacers"...The "large brass butt cap nut"...The soldering job...The JRB head cover...All are right as rain. Some of the heads-n-shafts were also "lead soldered" and the results were not as refined as this example. Hope ya'll enjoyed the tour and I hope more members will come forward and share their Randall "treasures" with us.
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Tommy Schofield

Re: This Old Randall - 02/14/13 02:37 PM

Could a RMK with a Johnson roughback brown button sheath come without the numbers on the back of the sheath (model and blade length)?

Posted by: Ironworker

Re: This Old Randall - 02/14/13 02:48 PM

Yes, I have one for a 7-5

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 02/14/13 05:08 PM

Tommy,
Absolutely! (...and check your emails)
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Tzuley

Re: This Old Randall - 02/15/13 06:17 PM

Hi,
I have a bear bowie that I do not know the age or approximate value of. I was hoping someone could help me with this. See attached pictures.
Thanks,
Todd

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 02/15/13 07:02 PM

I put it ~ 1970 give or take a few. Nice piece, Todd! The 12-8 is my favorite grind.

Posted by: Tzuley

Re: This Old Randall - 02/15/13 11:01 PM

Any idea on what the value would be?
Thanks,
Todd

Posted by: kalervo

Re: This Old Randall - 02/16/13 04:05 AM

Sometimes you can see similar mods on ebay. It can help to get the value

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 02/16/13 10:16 AM

There's not much I can add to Kalervo's reply other than to say I don't think you're looking at a whole lot more than a new one on e-bay. Unfortunately, 40 year old Randalls in great shape just aren't bringing what they used to. Some fighter models are the exception.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 02/16/13 10:31 AM

Quote:

Unfortunately, 40 year old Randalls in great shape just aren't bringing what they used to.

Very true Ron..... I know I am very biased towards the older knives, but I can't understand how a near mint field knife in a JRB can sell less for less than a new model with the same furniture.

I am concerned for the collecting aspect of our shared hobby obsession).

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 02/16/13 10:39 AM

My understanding is this section of the forums is reserved for the display of older pieces in collections, not price checks. This should be posted in the general discussion forum. Perhaps it can be moved.

Nevertheless, as Tune mentions, it also ceases to amaze me how folks let nice mid-70's and earlier pieces slip through the cracks while they go crazy for a piece made yesterday. For comparison, I know I would trade all the new Corvettes I could get my hands on for 60's and early 70's Vettes.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 02/16/13 10:47 AM

Crutch:
You are correct, in the fact that this is "not" the thread for quotations on knife values. I understand that the 2 questions:
1) What is this?
AND
2) What's it worth?

go hand-in-hand. I think the general discussion thread or perhaps the buy, sell & trade thread would be a more appropriate location for "values". Having said that, I'm going to leave this one alone as folks may read it here and realize they need to post elsewhere for values.
I also don't quite agree with BoBlade's dating as this knife could be newer than was mentioned. (Just sayin')
All and all a good topic and let's keep it related to the knife and it's features and age...rather than "What's it worth?"
Thanks, Capt. Chris

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 02/16/13 10:53 AM

I agree guys, it's not a perfect fit for the thread label, but I want to error on the side of more posts than less posts.....so as Cap said, it's okay if it gets back on track.

BTW.....it's nice to see Ron posting.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 02/16/13 12:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback

I also don't quite agree with BoBlade's dating as this knife could be newer than was mentioned. (Just sayin')

It could also be older than mentioned, Cap. Check out the 12-8 from ~ 1964 on page 19 of this thread and let me know what dating differences you see between that knife and the OP's knife. In a case like this, the sheath is the best tell. The OP's sheath is tight stitched:

http://www.knifetalkforums.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=25672&page=19

Then ask your BFF who he comes to if he's not sure about the age of an old Randall. Just sayin'

PS to Tune: Thanks. It's always a pleasure...

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 02/16/13 01:07 PM

Ron, Ron, Ron:
"THAT'S" why I stated I didn't "quite" agree with your dating. Older or newer, especially without seeing better pics of the package including the back of the sheath, I wouldn't/couldn't get so date-specific.
Best (and yes: It "is" good to see you posting),
Capt. Chris
PS: Perry calls on me, Crutch and several of us old "crusties"...CCS

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 02/16/13 01:16 PM

Getting back on track:

Here are a few pics of one of the first stilleto's that Bo ever made. So early, it doesn't even have a Randall stamp!:

This knife is now in the capable hands of Brother Dorsky. Joe has a nice writeup about it on his website. If you haven't seen it, it's worth a visit.

Posted by: Tzuley

Re: This Old Randall - 02/17/13 11:04 PM

Thanks all for the info!
Todd

Posted by: Guido_Bitossi

Re: This Old Randall - 02/18/13 10:41 AM

RON..you'R killing us...!
..if I have to be killed...I would prefer by..this ONE..!
Magnificent...!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 02/18/13 11:12 AM

Thanks, Guido. If that that old warrior could talk, I'd sure be listening.

Best,

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 02/28/13 09:49 PM

I mentioned (under Crutch's thread) that I had aquired a "Dandy"! Here it is:
Hope ya' like it, Capt. Chris

Posted by: CrazyCajun

Re: This Old Randall - 02/28/13 10:33 PM

Ohhhh. Now that's just plain nasty!! Square hilt and all!! Great one!!!

Posted by: Litch

Re: This Old Randall - 03/01/13 04:41 AM

Wow - crazy!

This is the first aluminum handled one I've seen (except for the Model 10s, of course) I guess the shop didn't do this very often

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 03/01/13 09:36 AM

Cool!
I'd love to see it with some wrapping around that handle!

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 03/01/13 10:00 AM

Cap, Has the sheath been dyed black? Were those brown buttons or translucents?

Dave Loomis will be interested in that one for his model 11 collection!

Cool find.

Posted by: BladesNBarrels

Re: This Old Randall - 03/01/13 10:56 AM

You are right.
That 11 with an aluminum handle is something I haven't seen or even heard about.
If you ever need a buyer, keep me in mind.
Meanwhile, I will admire it from afar.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 03/01/13 11:30 AM

The sheath is a Heiser with translucents. I cannot address the "dyed-or-not" part. There will be an article in KNIFE KNEWS: Issue #3, which I am putting together this month. (The newsletter...not just my article)
The knife was ordered by a Doctor who wanted a rugged hunting knife which he could sterilize in an autoclave. Looks like he got it! GTR, Scott, Jason and all of the usual suspects feel confident that there is no other in existence!
More later: By the way: Funny I should see posts from Mitchell and David as I just sent copies of "KNIFE KNEWS" to both of you guys this morning. Glad you like the knife!
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 03/01/13 01:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback

The sheath is a Heiser with translucents.

Cap,

Those aren't translucents. The brown buttons just absorbed some of the black dye.

Best,

Ron

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 05/16/13 11:39 AM

These two blades are just about as old as you can go with a Randall Made. They are the original model-1s circa 1943. These are the knives that made Randall Made famous. The longer knife is 7-3/4" and the shorter is 6-3/8.

They were both given as parting gifts by Dr. George Waddel Harmon to his son, Infantry Captain George Wallace Harmon and his son-in-law, Army Air Corp Lieutenant Francis T. Bradly as they departed for the European theater in WWII. (Captain Harmon got the longer blade).

Posted by: Jim459

Model 12-6 ID/Age - 06/20/13 11:07 PM

I just acquired an older Model 12-6 "Little Bear". I hope someone can tell me an approximate time frame it was made. I don't have the sheath that came with it. I noticed the butt cap appears to be pinned which may help to date it. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. I am not an expert on older Randall's.

Here are two photos:

Posted by: tunefink

Re: Model 12-6 ID/Age - 06/21/13 06:54 AM

I'd put the three thick, two thin spacer stack in the early 70's.

It's a beauty!
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Posted by: rodbrown

Re: Model 12-6 ID/Age - 06/21/13 06:57 AM

Jim

My dating "guess" is late 1950's to early 1970's based on the spacers, which I feel are burgundy, 3 thick, 2 thin.
I can not help you with the pinned butt cap. Don't recall seeing one before and I can't find any info in my notes.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: Model 12-6 ID/Age - 06/21/13 08:10 AM

You are correct Rod, except pre-72 ivory would have had 7 spacers. Only leather and some of the small field knives were 5 spacers.

Rod....sent you an email....call me.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Model 12-6 ID/Age - 06/21/13 09:28 AM

Jim,
Another possibility, especially with a knife this clean and lacking a like-condition sheath, is the possibilty of it being a "Leschorn" project. It has the appearnce of an early Leschorn to me. Tom was allowed to receive finished blanks from the shop and handle them himself. Quite often they were lacking a sheath. Tom loved to use pinned butt caps.
Just sayin', Capt. Chris
PS: Many early Randalls that Tom assembled were not signed with his traditional "L"...CCS

Posted by: Jim459

Re: Model 12-6 ID/Age - 06/21/13 10:01 AM

Thanks to all for the help. The name plate has the initials R.H.W. - does that ring a bell with anyone?

Posted by: Jacknola

Re: Model 12-6 ID/Age - 07/29/13 09:25 PM

According to one source, pinned pommels were very short lived in late 1970-mid '71. They were an experiment to do away with the outside tang nut. Shortly thereafter, late '71 or so, the shop reportedly transitioned to the inverted tang nut to secure the pommel, and continued that method... even today. If the source is accurate, your knife may be relatively uncommon (not many pinned pommels were made), and definitely dated to about 1971.

Furthermore, the "7 spacer rule" does not apparently apply to Bowies ... even little bears (?). Few if any Bowies ever had 7 spacers. Note: I've only seen a picture of one other pinned pommel Randall. One was for sale on E-Bay a few months ago...

(Edit-add): Re: Bowies and spacers. I put a question mark after the comment about little bears above because I didn't know if they were assembled in the separate Bowie facility, thus were treated as another "real" Bowie.

After some extensive searching, I found a couple of what appear to be 1960s looking "Little Bear Bowies" with the 7-spacer configuration, one handled with micarta and one with what looks like walnut... no ivory handles however. This would seem to indicate that at least early on, the Little Bears were assembled as per the non-Bowie knives.

The Little Bear was apparently introduced about 1966-67. It hasn't received much attention in the standard reference books nor are there many early examples pictured in discussions. I'm going to keep an open mind about the Little Bears ... could be an interesting research project - did they have 7-spacers? what handles? and when did they quit using that arrangement.)

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: Model 12-6 ID/Age - 08/01/13 01:51 PM

Randall occasionally pinned a butt if the threaded tang was damaged or too short to fit a nut. Capt. is correct that it was common for Tom L. to pin butts, particularly on smaller knives. I have had several. Capt. is also correct than many of these knives were not marked by Tom.

As for spacers, LB's were no different than any other standard model. For those looking:

http://store01.prostores.com/servlet/sharpinvestments/the-728/Randall-Knife-Model-%23/Detail

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 08/28/13 06:35 PM

Valueman has an interesting example of Randall culture. I am in hopes that he posts his photos of the knife over here. The grind (amongst other things) shows some interesting qualifications, making it a possible hybrid or a shop experiment.
Let's see, Capt. Chris

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 08/29/13 07:23 AM

Thanks Capt,
In responce to Peters request for a photo of my #11

Peter,
There are some additional notches along the top of the blade.
I've shown it to a few people, and it's not clear if it was done at the shop or afterwards, just the same, it's a oldie but a goodie!!
Included here is a shot of my user, I keep it clean. Also, as I was looking at them both, I noticed quite a difference in the grind of the newer blade, and thought it to be interesting enough to show side by side.
Can someone speak up on the changing grinds of this model...
:-)Rocky

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 08/29/13 09:51 AM

that piece was floating around for years.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 08/29/13 05:51 PM

Never mind then

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 08/29/13 06:39 PM

Rocky...and Crutch:
As I look at that blade and try and picture what it may have been (originally) it looks (more and more) like a #12-8", Bear Bowie.
Any thoughts?
Capt. Chris

Posted by: Guido_Bitossi

Re: This Old Randall - 08/30/13 08:13 AM

This's stuff for experts...only!
My 2c

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 08/30/13 08:29 AM

Given the positioning of the logo stamp, I doubt it was a 12-6.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 08/30/13 08:55 AM

Mitchell,
I didn't think it was a #12-6...rather a #12-8. Look at the large flat blade surface, along with the bottom (choil) configuration. Picture a #12-8 "Big Bear" cut down and I think the planets align. Of course, we'll never know for sure but it's interesting to speculate.
Capt. Chris

Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: This Old Randall - 08/30/13 06:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback

Picture a #12-8 "Big Bear" cut down and I think the planets align.
Capt. Chris

I tried to do the comparison, Captain, but couldn't quite make the blade outline fit a 12-8.

Posted by: rodbrown

Re: This Old Randall - 08/30/13 07:03 PM

Steve

I have not idea how you draw on a picture like that. But thanks. It is a great way to eliminate possibilities.

Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: This Old Randall - 08/30/13 07:05 PM

Photoshop does magic!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 08/30/13 07:15 PM

http://www.knifetalkforums.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=39440&page=1

Posted by: pappy19

Re: This Old Randall - 08/30/13 08:00 PM

Was it bought from Showtime??? Just kidding, that is a really cool #11 for sure. Has anyone contacted GTR or anyone at the shop to make a statement about it? Regardless, it is a real neat RMK and a cool design.

Pap

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 08/30/13 09:07 PM

Well...for one thing, 1/2" or better would have to becut back at the tang end. Look how much farther out the trademark is on your outline. Also the angle is much more severe...or not? Who knows. Looks like a #12-8 at the hilt traveling upward...not an #11.
...to me anyway, Capt. Chris

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/13 08:08 AM

Folks,
I was simply talking about the grind.
I do no have another, older #11 to illustrate if there was a change or not.
It origionally was just a shot for the build that Capt is doing.
It has nothing to do with the knife, and if the grind diffeence has been discussed before, then please, forgive me.
:-)Rocky

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/13 08:54 AM

Rocky,
There is nothing to forgive. If I remember this knife from before it is a vague memory. (Something that occurs more and more these days) I think your Father picked it up, second-hand? If so, who knows (or wll ever know) the exact origin of this blade. It sure has way-cool old micarta and spacers...and it's a "keeper" in your eyes. That's all that really matters.
One thing a lot of folks do not know (and I am just reminding myslf of) is this: Gary Randall's first "job", when he started making knives for Bo, was cutting thumb notches! That little bit of trivia gives this thread some legs!
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/13 09:08 AM

Seeing Ron's post of the old thread brought up a question.

rocky, how long has your father had it?

the reason I ask, that knife or one like it was at the Blade Show for several years. IIRC, it may have changed hands a few times at the show over a several year period. I don't think it had a sheath with it though. So that would indicate there was more than one like it unless a sheath was added if your knife and the knife at Blade are one in the same.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/13 09:27 AM

Crutch,
I know it costs $100, but ths knife looks like an "authentication candidate". It could be very bad...or very good news!
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Michael_Mason

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/13 01:16 PM

The consensus here doesn't seem to be whether the knife is right or wrong, but rather how, when or why it looks like it does. All authentication is going to do is cost Rocky or his Dad $130-140, once you factor in shipping both ways. Waste of money. In the end, they still have the same knife and probably no more info than what has been spoken of here, at no cost. I agree with Pappy, cool knife. Rocky's Dad has good taste

Posted by: CrazyCajun

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/13 09:04 PM

Old Cajun saying... " Enjoy whatcha got!!"

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 09/01/13 08:46 AM

With you on that Cajun!!
Capt, you have a very good memory!!
My dad picked it up in the late 70"s, I'm think'n. He was not doing much knife trading in the 80's and past.
Another thing I find interesting, which I brought up in the prior post, was the etching, which states "SCOUT" I've seen two, maybe three knives got through the bay with that etching on them. All were different models...
:-)Rocky

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 09/01/13 09:41 AM

Rocky,

As I said in the old thread, I had a model #2 that was etched Scout. I sold it, but have seen it on eBay twice since then.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 09/01/13 11:47 AM

Wonder what's up with the etching...
I guess it just catches my eye when I see it...maybe it's been the same knife a couple of times...that could be possible
I assume that my dads knife was from the Atlanta area, however he was not the first owner
I did ask about that(scout)etching in the thread a while back..no one responded about it.
:-)Rocky

Posted by: jf1

Randall Saved - 10/22/13 10:46 AM

Hey all. I recently acquired a Randall. It was found literally in a pile of junk that was heading to the landfill. I cleaned it up and here are the pics (Attached). Any help dating the thing would be much appreciated. It had a lot of superficial dirt and mild corrosion but cleaned up pretty good. It also has a compass in the handle.

Posted by: TAH

Re: Randall Saved - 10/22/13 11:48 AM

Nice rescue. 1950s, Model 3, O-1 steel, pinned stag, seven spacers, brown button Heiser sheath.

If you're still going to throw it away, I'll give it a good home.

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Randall Saved - 10/22/13 11:51 AM

Wow who the hell would throw out a Randall!

Posted by: jf1

Re: Randall Saved - 10/22/13 12:45 PM

Thanks for the feedback. As with most of my other unusual possessions I plan on holding on to it. My brother inlaw actually found it and gifted it to me. He knew it was likely pretty valuable but he knew I would appreciate the gift and I do! I had never ordered a Randall mainly due to the wait times which have just gotten longer and longer. Sometimes good things come to those who procrastinate. Of course the knife is a display item only. I couldn't bear to use it and possibly damage it any more than the years of lying in waste have done to it. The sheath is intact without major damage but would not bear use. Thanks again.
Jim

Posted by: jf1

Re: Randall Saved - 10/22/13 12:54 PM

Ben,
It was found on an old property that was condemned and purchased for redevelopment. Very little info on former tenents was available. I was a little interested in returning it to an original owner. But with the decades that have passed since the property was abandoned the trail is very cold and With the knife being made in the 1950's the original owner may be long gone and whoever had it last may not have appreciated a Randall for wht it is. Who knows.
Jim

Posted by: TAH

Re: Randall Saved - 10/22/13 12:56 PM

Jim,

Curious, was there a sharpening stone in the pouch and what's the diameter of the compass and does it still work?

Thanks!

Posted by: jf1

Re: Randall Saved - 10/22/13 01:10 PM

Tom,
There is a stone. Gray, on the side it says "PRODUCT BY CARBORUNDUM" with "SIC" below that. The compass works just fine but the clear cover is a little hazy but you can see the compass well enough to use it. I will try to attach a pic with the compass.
Jim

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Randall Saved - 10/22/13 01:10 PM

If it was mine I would use it on this years whitetail! If the compass is broken the shop might be able to install a new one and I bet it wouldn't cost much, might even be free.

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Randall Saved - 10/22/13 01:11 PM

Some toothpaste might clear that right up!

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Randall Saved - 10/22/13 01:12 PM

If it's in the outside anyways, if that fails I would ask the shop about it.

Posted by: jf1

Re: Randall Saved - 10/22/13 01:13 PM

Ben i will try the toothpaste. I was hesitant to try polishing the compass cover as it may be a bit thin. Thanks.
jim

Posted by: TAH

Re: Randall Saved - 10/22/13 01:20 PM

Thanks Jim. Look at that old stag. It's a great knife and even better story.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: Randall Saved - 10/22/13 01:28 PM

Be careful with cleaning and refinishing. You can't recreate 60+ years of patina.

Replacing the compass and or too much cleaning will reduce the value of the knife. That may not matter to you, but it is a fact on the resale market.

Welcome and good luck.

Posted by: jf1

Re: Randall Saved - 10/22/13 01:39 PM

Thanks for the welcome and the advice. I was trying to figure out the age of this Randall so joined for some assistance. Looks like a nice place for knife questions and discussion. I just recently went through 35 plus years of knives collected and a few of them will spark some interest on the non Randall Forumns. The Randall I have was just some good fortune.
Jim

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Randall Saved - 10/22/13 02:14 PM

While I agree about cleaning it detracting from value I think most of the cleaning has already been done.

What goods a compass if you can't use it!

Posted by: pappy19

Re: Randall Saved - 10/23/13 11:59 AM

I doubt the compass can be replaced. Those old Marbles compass' are almost impossible to find anymore. The new ones are liquid filled and totally different size diameter. Just leave it alone if the toothpaste doesn't work. Nice find, regardless.

Pap

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Randall Saved - 10/23/13 12:40 PM

"DON'T" replace the compass! Another question no one has asked is "how is the back of the sheath stamped"? Is it indeed a #3 or a #7. I can't tell if it is a #7-5" or a #3. The handle looks quite small in diameter and the blade could by 3/16" stock.
Just sayin'...Nice knife, Capt. Chris

Posted by: TAH

Re: Randall Saved - 10/23/13 12:55 PM

I agree with Mike and Chris. Don't replace the compass. Here are a few compasses used over the years and some very rough dates. As you can see, compass styles changed and the compass should match the vintage of the knife.

a) 3/4" possibly Stocker & Yale, brass, dry, late 40s to late 50s
b) 1/2" Waltham or Marbles, brass, dry, 50s into 70s
c) 1/2" Marbles, brass, dry, early 80s to mid 90s
d) 1/2" Japanese made, plastic, liquid, '96 to present

Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: Randall Saved - 10/23/13 02:43 PM

Originally Posted By: jf1

The compass works just fine but the clear cover is a little hazy

Micro-Mesh makes a kit for removing scratches in plastic. It is their "KR-70 Acrylic/Plastic Restoral Kit" as used by the military for hazy windows on airplanes. The kit comprises a number of abrasive sheets in grits from 1500 to 6000, along with Micro-Gloss liquid abrasive. It is meant to "remove light damage and restore optical clarity." I have used it successfully to polish some heavy scratches out of watch crystals. It works so well that the crystals look like new.
(They also make a "Plexiglass Lens Repair Kit" with grits from 120 to 12000 and is priced around $18.)

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: Randall Saved - 10/23/13 03:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback

Another question no one has asked is "how is the back of the sheath stamped"? Is it indeed a #3 or a #7. I can't tell if it is a #7-5" or a #3. The handle looks quite small in diameter and the blade could by 3/16" stock. Just sayin'...Nice knife, Capt. Chris

It's a 7-5, Cap.

Posted by: jf1

Re: Randall Saved - 10/24/13 10:35 AM

All,
Thanks for all the help. I believe the take home point is use caution. Thanks.
Jim

Posted by: TAH

Re: Randall Saved - 10/24/13 11:05 AM

Jim,

For everyone's curiosity, can you confirm the numbers on the back of the sheath?

Thanks!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: Randall Saved - 10/24/13 12:05 PM

Hi Tom,

I wouldn't mind a confirmation myself. Note that the combined length of the handle, spacers and hilt should be roughly 4 1/4 - 4 1/2". Factoring that as an aspect ratio, the blade comes in at ~ 5". The shop quit making Model 3's with a 5 1/2" blade when a 5" Model 7 was offered in 1948. Model 3's were only available in 6 & 7" blade lengths from 1948 through 1966. In 1967, a 5" Model 3 became available, well after the Heiser and pinning periods.

Best,

Ron

Posted by: TAH

Re: Randall Saved - 10/24/13 02:26 PM

All I saw was the hump.

I always forget about that dang Model 7.

Thanks Ron.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: Randall Saved - 10/24/13 02:44 PM

You're welcome, Tom. The hump has also gotten me into trouble more times than I can count.

Posted by: pappy19

Re: Randall Saved - 10/24/13 06:59 PM

It looks exactly like my wife's #7-5 only from 1976 and not pinned.

Pap

Posted by: TAH

Re: Randall Saved - 10/24/13 08:07 PM

Ron & Mike,

Here's a 7-5 that was just listed on eBay. Look at the difference in the spacing of the hone pockets. There's more space above the hone pocket on the Jim's sheath which makes it look like a sheath for a 6 inch blade. Why is that? Also, the hone pocket on Jim's sheath is sewn on three sides. The eBay sheath is sewn with the sheath edge.

eBay link

For comparison, here's a 3-6 from eBay.

eBay link

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Randall Saved - 10/24/13 08:16 PM

The top knife has been damaged, look at the edge. I bet it's been shrunk down a bit length included.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: Randall Saved - 10/25/13 12:56 AM

Good eye, Tom! There's something else: A Model 7 should have a small stamp (The newly listed e-bay 7-5 has this). It looks like Jim's stamp is the standard. Could be something to Ben's observation that the blade has been altered in some way after it left the shop. The other e-bay 3-6 you posted a photo of is a 4-6.

I'd still like to hear from Jim on the sheath numbers and the handle and blade length.

Best,

Ron

Posted by: TAH

Re: Randall Saved - 10/25/13 08:51 AM

Good eye on the stamp, Ron! I couldn't tell if the bottom knife had a slight hump or not (maybe I'm seeing things I want to see

), but the sheath is marked 3 6, which I believe was interchangeable with the Model 4 at the time.

We need Jim to chime in one more time and solve the mystery.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Randall Saved - 10/25/13 09:08 AM

That's what I asked Jim to do also...crickets...chirp chirp...
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: jf1

Re: Randall Saved - 10/28/13 10:08 AM

All,
Sorry for the slow reply. Been on the road for two days. The back of the sheath is stamped with 3 and 6

Posted by: jf1

Re: Randall Saved - 10/28/13 10:15 AM

Also- the precise measurements on the knife are- Blade 5 7/8 inch and the handle including brass and spacers 4 3/4 inches

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: Randall Saved - 10/28/13 10:43 AM

Thanks, JF. Sometimes I wish I wasn't so sure about things and this is one of those times.

Best,

Ron

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Randall Saved - 10/28/13 11:13 AM

Ron,
I absolutely "wasn't sure" and that's why I mentioned that no one had "asked the question". If you think about it, that's just one more cool thing about the "oldies". You can't "cookie cutter" one model.
Thanks to all who posted and commented on this interesting piece. It's part of what gives this forum "the glue".
Capt. Chris

Posted by: TAH

Re: Randall Saved - 10/29/13 08:35 PM

I was confident all along.....that I didn't know what I was talking about.

Thanks Jim!

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Randall Saved - 10/29/13 09:13 PM

Not sure if this is the thread to talk about this or not but I was reading my Gaddis book today and noticed the older catalogs saying the #1 was made from 3/16" stock and another model I think the #3 being made from 1/8" stock. I had never noticed this before and I have always thought of Randall knives being heavy bladed.

All the modern knives are at least 3/16" except the model #10 and those are stock removal not forged. For the most part the models are 1/4"

Now I feel that 1/4" is perfect for my 5-6 and other models especially since they go down to such a fine edge, this also gives the edge strength. As well being a narrow tang the thickness gives the knife strength for harder tasks like battoning, chopping, split - wood fire making etc.

does anyone have any of the older thin bladed knives?

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: Randall Saved - 10/30/13 01:36 PM

Hi Ben,

Are you referring to the '45 catalog on page 107 and the '48 catalog on page 114 or ? If so (1) The '45 catalog states that the Model one is "over 3/16" thick" and the Model 3 is "approximately 3/16" thick" (2) The '48 catalog states the Model 3 is "1/8th to 3/16" thick".

I haven't seen as many early fighters as Joe or Tune, but I've seen quite a few and they were all made from 1/4" stock with a finished thickness of "over 3/16" (Which jives with the '45 catalog discription).

The early Hunters / Model 3's are a different story: I have one pre-war Hunter and it was made from 1/4" stock. That's only one data point, so I can't vouch for any others. I've owned 9-10 WWII Hunters and with the exception of just one, all were made from 3/16" stock. All post WWII Model 3's I've
ever seen or owned have been made from 1/4" stock with the one exception of a C 1960 "display model" with an 8 1/2" blade that was made from 3/8" stock. I think you can say as a general rule that WWII Hunters were made from 3/16" stock and post WWII Model 3's were made from 1/4" stock. The '45 catalog discription is correct: A finished post war Model 3 made from 1/4" stock would be "approximately 3/16" thick. The '48 ( and '52 and '53) catalog discriptions are just flat wrong. They are describing the actual thickness of a WWII Hunter. Why the error was made and why it was not corrected over a 5 year period is beyond me.

The only knives I've seen that were made from 1/8" stock were two of the first nine Model 8's made in the 4th quarter of 1946. IMO they were just too thin to be useful for anything but very delicate work and apparantly Bo felt the same way as I've never seen any others made after those first nine that were not made from 3/16" stock.

Best,

Ron

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: Randall Saved - 10/30/13 01:48 PM

I'm pretty sure those are the pages I was looking at, not sure as I don't have the book with me. Thanks for the info!

1/8 does seem pretty thin especially since after it was finished it would be even thinner.

Posted by: Andrew

Re: Randall Saved - 11/22/13 05:21 AM

My latest purchase, this model 3-5 just arrived today, I dont think its very old but guessing early 70s?

Posted by: Andrew

Re: Randall Saved - 12/09/13 12:54 AM

Early 60s? Model 3-6

Posted by: tunefink

Re: Randall Saved - 12/09/13 07:40 AM

Perfect package Andrew.

Brown buttons generally make it pre '63. The blue letter stone is also an early 60's feature.

Congrats…..

Posted by: Andrew

Re: Randall Saved - 12/10/13 03:11 AM

Thanks

I really do like the older models and this is the oldest I have to date, I will keep an eye out for more.
I would like to get my hands on a well used knife so I can have it as a user instead of just display.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: Randall Saved - 12/10/13 05:44 PM

Andrew,
A good old user is nice!!
I've been lucky enough to get a couple from my dad.
It's nice to hold an "old timer" in your hands, and put it to work!!
This knife was given to my dad from my grandfather...It's user for sure, and I think it fits well in this thread.
:-)Rocky

Posted by: Andrew

Re: Randall Saved - 12/10/13 11:25 PM

Very nice Rocky, I'm afraid If I came across an old pinned stag like that it would go on display as well

Posted by: Guido_Bitossi

Re: Randall Saved - 12/12/13 06:24 AM

So nice…so cool..!
I love old shapes…
G

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Old Forum Fun!! - 03/10/14 09:25 PM

OK Everybody,
Haven't had much action on the "This 'Ol Randall" forum lately so I've come up with a knife we'll call a "knife of interest". I'll post up a few photos...a bit at a time. Can you guess:
* Vintage
* Noticeable characteristics of this vintage
* Reason the good 'Ol Captain would drag this critter out of his deep, dark safe and show it to us?
* Even better: Reason why the old fart paid 3 times what a new one would cost?
Let's have some fun with this. If anyone has had the pleasure to be given the "tour" and already knows of this one...PLEASE...let everyone join in for a couple of days and not spoil it for the less fortunate.
Have fun and "Stay Sharp", Capt. Chris

Posted by: Byrdguy

Re: Randall Saved - 03/10/14 09:47 PM

Long shallow choil, Handle tapers toward the hilt, hilt "ears" are thin and fairly straight. Looks to be a #1-8". The "hump" on the blade back is nearly in the center of the blade length. (That's the "oddity" that jumped out at me first)

Posted by: TAH

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/11/14 11:30 AM

Vintage: Late 60s (1969?)

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/11/14 03:48 PM

Here's a "hint". If this had been delivered dressed with a stag handle on the same date, it would have come with 5 spacers.
Oh: and Pat: It's a 7" blade.
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: rodbrown

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/11/14 05:33 PM

Based on your hint, 5 spacers on non leather started around 1972 or so. But to me, it looks like it has a Medium Black Center spacer and that would date the knife to late 70's to mid 80's.

So I am guessing post 1972 to mid 80's. That really narrows it down, doesn't it!!!!

Posted by: TAH

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/12/14 01:12 PM

Captain,

We could tell you exactly what you have if we could just see the stone. Stones never lie. Right?

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/12/14 01:22 PM

Tom,
The stone and other helpful "hints" are still coming. I thought it would be fun (for educational purposes as well) to have everyone comment on "what they see"!
Here's the stone and hone pocket a little closer. Orange (salmon) stone with no "ink".
Thanks, Capt. Chris
PS: I'll post a pic in a few...I'm on the wrong "Puter" right now.
CCS

Posted by: Fairbairn

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/12/14 05:35 PM

My guess is 1978. Looks like a knife that has been fondled, but not used.

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/12/14 06:51 PM

Mid seventies.

Posted by: pepe

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/12/14 07:00 PM

I'll play. My guess is that the only thing that makes that knife worth three times current shop price is provenance.

Posted by: Buck Buchanan

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/12/14 09:42 PM

Notice the photo showing the backside of the sheath hides the etching that the belt loop covers.

So, what famous name is etched on the blade to fetch three times the current price?

Posted by: pepe

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/12/14 11:24 PM

Ted Nugent?????

Posted by: MYB

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/13/14 06:08 AM

Ronald Reagan - One of the best Randall salesman ever

Posted by: TAH

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/13/14 08:29 AM

After seeing the stone, I suspect that the stone is original and the knife and sheath are replacements.

As for cost, I agree, there is a famous name engraved on the blade.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/13/14 10:35 AM

Knife, stone & sjeath are all original and the "package" is complete. Buck...You are on the right trail. Here's some of the characteristics to look for, and helpful hints about "aging" your prized Randall knife. Check out these "nuances" about this knife. (and incidently: No one has even come up with the correct "decade", except in generalities) Not 60's...not 70's...It was completed in 1984!
Recently I spoke with one of our members about "sheath" recognition. Here's what this Model #1-7" shows us:
* Johnson "roughback" sheath (Also called a "butterfly-stitched" sheath)....More importantly...and correctly, it is a Maurice Johnson butterfly-stitched roughback sheath. Maurice's son, Johnny Johnson, used an entirely different maching. Johnny's sewing machine was not a "tight stich machine". Both machines were leased. Johnny's machine was never even delivered to Johnson's Leather Shop, in Castleberry, Fl. until late 1985 or 1986. After setup it was put into service. The year was 1986. Taking a look at this Model #1's sheath one can easily see that the stitching is "tight".
Maurice Johnson's machine was still used throughout the 1980's but usually as a back up when Johnny's machine was being serviced or Johnny was unavailable. It is impossible to say that, just because a knife & sheath combination featured a tight-stitched Johnson roughback sheath, the combo was made prior to 1986. It is "not" imprudent to say that any knife & sheath combo with the longer stitched sheath could "not" have been produced prior to 1986!
I'll see if I have examples of the later stitching...but here'a a close up of the sheath for this cambo we are disuccing now.
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/13/14 10:49 AM

Memberes,
For comparison, below is a scarce example od a Randall Model #12-9" in stainless! Notice that the Bowie clip point is present..."NOT" the #14 grind with the "straight" clip point. The knife was made in 1986, long before the #12-9" with #14 grind was offered. The sheath is a "Johnny Johnson" butterfly-stiches roughback sheath. Hopefully by showing this sheath you will be able to recognize the "longer" stitch pattern of Johnny's machine.
Hope this helps, Capt. Chris

Posted by: TAH

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/13/14 01:53 PM

Captain,

Is there more to the story? I wouldn't think this particular sheath would justify paying 3 times what a new knife and sheath would cost.

Posted by: rodbrown

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/13/14 02:24 PM

Capt.
Clarification please. My understanding is Johnny's sheaths were loose stitch. First he produced rough back sheaths then smooth back, but they were all loose stitched. I am sure there were sheaths made by him on his Dad's machine, during the transition, that were not loose stitched. I am speaking in general.
I quickly took a couple of pics, not light tent, nothing, so the quality is poor.
The first picture, IMO, top sheath Maurice, second and third sheaths are Johnny's loose stitch.
Second picture is the same sheaths, back sides, in the same order, but the bottom sheath is a smooth back.
Third picture is a bit closer. Maurice's sheath on the left and Johnny's two, the middle and the right.
Please set me straight about Johnny sheaths all being loose stitched or not.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/13/14 05:39 PM

So many questions....
OK: Tom: Yes, as Buck 1st hinted, there is more than just the knife and sheath. We have not even addressed spacers. Byrdguy touched on the blade choil and top "reverse grip" cutout being old style also. BUT (I know) there is more to the story. IMO just what ya'll have seen would justify a higher price then a current knife & sheath. 30 years of vintage, for one thing.
Rod: The sheaths are not "loose-stitched". Johnny did "not" make these sheaths on his Dad's (Maurice's) sewing machine. The second machine that they leased was a "different" machine. The length of the stitching, as well as it's pattern are totally different than Maurice's machine. Johnny definitely used the old machine, from time to time, that much is clear. Your photo shows 2 totally seperate and individual machines. The "long-stitching" of the second and third sheaths are the newer machine.
Greg Gutcher has told me that the longer stitching makes for a stronger sheath. I shall not question Greg's expertise in sheath making. I think what Greg was saying is that the ""tighter" sheaths can (I repeat "CAN") have a tendency to punch the leather holes too close together, therefore not giving the leather as much strength between the stitches.
*NOTE: "Tight" stiitching does not refer to anything having to do with "tension" on the thread...but rather with the "spacing" of it. Look closely at Rod's or my examples and you will see the spacing...tight (as in closer together in spacing) verses long (stitches spread farther apart).
Hope this helps to clear this up.
Capt. Chris

Posted by: rodbrown

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/13/14 06:20 PM

Capt.
Thanks for the explanation. Got it.

Greg explained to me, more than once, his thoughts of longer stitches. It makes sense to me.

The knife:
1. Does it have anything to do with you becoming a RMK dealer?

2. OR does it have anything to do with Ronald Reagan being re-elected as President?

You got me intersted

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/13/14 08:08 PM

Rod,
Nope!
Capt. Chris

Posted by: Byrdguy

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/13/14 08:49 PM

Small blade stamp? It looks kind of small in the pic.

Posted by: TAH

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/14/14 01:47 PM

I got it! You paid 3 times because you bought it from Rhett.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/14/14 03:40 PM

Come on...When did anyone "ever" get a knife that cheap from Rhett? 4 times was "Cousin's" price!
Too funny, Capt. Chris

Posted by: rigid54

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/15/14 02:08 PM

Appears to be a mid/late 60's blade that was buried at the bottom for near two decades. Maybe this is why the handle was fitted with a vintage looking up-sweep as opposed to the latter years drop. To take advantage of the old blade being finally finished into a complete knife -vintage style.

Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/15/14 07:39 PM

...and it looks like mid-60's to me, too. Here's my mid-60's compared with the Captain's. Blade shapes similar, as are the shallow choils.

Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/15/14 07:40 PM

...and here is the reverse side.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/15/14 07:57 PM

Good hints in some of these replies. The knife was made in 1984. I will not say where (or from who) I bought it. I started messin' with Randalls in the 1960's. I started "dealing" in Randalls in the late 60's / early 70's. I was fortunate to receive an authorized dealership in 1983 (Same time Dave Griffin hired Scotty). I started "ordering" my own dealer special in 1985. I liked this knife because it was built right in that time period. I also like the little "extra" it had as that "little" extra is responsible for many "paths" I have taken.
Thanks for playing along with "This Old Randall". I hope it was fun. I hope it was interesting. I hope it more informative...but mostly..."The Fun" part of collecting is what I hope someone takes away from this.
Stay sharp...and let's see more folks post up this kinda' stuff!
Capt. Chris

Posted by: rigid54

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/15/14 09:00 PM

A fitting blade for the repository of such things -Randall.

Nice piece Capt!

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/15/14 11:44 PM

Holzinger is that a replacement sheath for your Mod. 1? It doesn't look correct. I don't think that is Maurice Johnson's sewing.....IMO.
Thanks.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/15/14 11:53 PM

Cap,

If you ever want to trade out of that old rusty fighter…..I know a guy that collects Model #1 APFK's……

Just sayin'

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/16/14 12:43 AM

I'll keep you in mind, in the unlikely event that I decide to sell Mitchell.
Thanks and thanks to all,
Capt. Chris

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/16/14 01:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback

let's see more folks post up this kinda' stuff! Capt. Chris

Cap,

Does this qualify?

Posted by: Byrdguy

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/16/14 10:27 AM

Gets my vote!!!

Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: Old Forum Fun!! - 03/16/14 06:14 PM

Posted by: Jake88

Re: This Old Randall - 04/17/14 11:30 PM

What year do the knives appear to be?

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 08/23/14 01:35 PM

Here is an old Randall..... with stories to tell based on the condition and patina. It may have never done anything more exciting than open cans of pork & beans, but it did so often.

It's an early Model #1 with a 6" blade which is rare for the period. Most were 7" or 8". It's a heavy knife... looking at it gives the impression it has been broken and re-ground from a longer knife, but it's original.

The sheath is an unriveted Heiser sheath. Note the high position of the keeper strap.

I am guessing it was made in 1943-44.

The brass chain link thong hole is broken and the nut has been tightened down a few times.... The solder at the hilt is cracked. The stone and pouch flap are missing.

Condition is always a big consideration for vintage collectors..... but this ugly duck is beautiful if you ask me.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 08/23/14 01:47 PM

great piece. judging by the sheath, and although the knife is used, it wasn't "carried" much.

Appears to have been blued.

Definitely a 1943 made imo.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 08/23/14 01:48 PM

Calling all Dave's.

This one is a little different. The sheath is not a typical Heiser that we see on 50's era Randalls. I am assuming it was bought directly from Heiser and replaced the original sheath. But, it has been with the knife for a long time and matches the name etch on the blade.

The stag is great, I love the way the bark is showing on the peaks between the finger grips. It has the long hilt of the 50's knives.....nickel silver.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 08/23/14 02:15 PM

You are right Joe. The sheath does not show a lot of hard wear.... it's had it's share of scuffs and shows use at the belt loop, but not as hard as the knife.

The light balance in the photo does not do the color of the blade justice... it looks more like an acid etch than blueing..... blacker.

I appreciate the date on the knife. Does that count as your first official verification?

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 08/23/14 02:34 PM

By now it's obvious I am catching up on photos for my web site.

Interesting sheathes have always interested me and this is one of the best. It's a WW2 fighter in a Von Lengerke & Antoine sheath.

I have linked to a great article by Crutchtip which was also published in the RKS newsletters in 2010. All the detail you could want. Thank you Joe.

V.L. & A. Sheathes

This humpback blade is a full 8-1/4" ....and was probably 1/16" longer but the tip has been broken. I slid this into several other Heisers from the period and it would not seat in any of them.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 08/26/14 09:42 PM

Picked up this old "Camper" at the Orlando show recently. Early 1950's (Guesstimate: 1953 or so?), as is evident by the brass nut. No thumb notches and absolutely perfect balance...I mean perfect! Proper "dual" stone and something I have never seen before: An alligator pocket hone flap!
Enjoy, Capt. Chris

Posted by: TAH

Re: This Old Randall - 08/27/14 08:53 AM

Great looking knife, Captain. Just when you think you've seen it all, an alligator hone flap pops up. What do you think is the story on that?

Posted by: Steven

Re: This Old Randall - 08/27/14 08:59 AM

Nice find.

Posted by: pappy19

Re: This Old Randall - 08/28/14 02:49 PM

Nice old camper there, Cap!!

Pap

Posted by: Skeetdoc

Re: This Old Randall - 09/09/14 08:28 PM

Captain has asked me to post these here given they are about 40 years old.
They are in three places now. My apologies for being a forum bomber.

Moderator can remove if I am inappropriate.

These are two of the 8 Leschorn Continent Series knives from the mid 70's.

Doug E.

Posted by: Skeetdoc

Re: This Old Randall - 09/09/14 08:31 PM

Africa Ivory Insets:

Posted by: Skeetdoc

Re: This Old Randall - 09/09/14 08:35 PM

Antarctic Ivory Insets and Signature

Posted by: Skeetdoc

Re: This Old Randall - 09/09/14 08:39 PM

Sheathes:

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 09/09/14 10:51 PM

Doug,
These knives were handled in Rosewood. Tom was well-known or "pinning" his handles and/or butt caps. He felt it left a neater engraving job on the butt cap ends. I have not closely inspected this set in a long time. They were pulled from the Randall museum some 12-15 years ago (?). Tom & I traveled together to a good many shows. I had the pleasure of watching him work a #12-11-"C"...BRASSBACK...giving it the same treatment as this series. Upon returning from the engravers show in Las Vegas (around 1985-86) he was heart-broken to open his bag and see the Indian rosewood handle, cracked in two!
As some of you know, I bought Tom & Mary's house in Orlando. When he returned to Florida (from Fairbanks) the year was 1982-83 (I think). His work looked exactly he same...Perfect!
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Guido_Bitossi

Re: This Old Randall - 09/10/14 12:38 PM

…nice story Capt..!!!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 09/10/14 01:51 PM

Doug,

Congratulations on acquiring (IMO) two of the most exquisite and desirable Randalls ever made. I was fortunate to have seen pics of the Asia and Europe editions back in February. It's really nice to see these other editions emerging now.

Best,

Ron

Posted by: Guido_Bitossi

Re: This Old Randall - 09/11/14 11:10 AM

Well said Ron..!

Posted by: Guido_Bitossi

Re: This Old Randall - 09/11/14 11:11 AM

That's my last…"pretty old"

Posted by: Daniele

Re: This Old Randall - 10/26/14 05:07 PM

My oldest one...
Best,

Posted by: dhawki2

Re: This Old Randall - 11/14/14 06:14 PM

My oldest Randall --I think.
Just picked this knife up a few weeks ago and I have been reading and looking trying to decided when it was made. I am thinking in the 1950's but then I think maybe early 60's. Came with wrong sheath so that is no help. Hope someone can line me out on date. Hop to pick up correct sheath sometime
I know my pictures are not real good but maybe good enough to tell.
thanks
Don

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 11/14/14 07:07 PM

Mid-50's

Posted by: dhawki2

Re: This Old Randall - 11/15/14 06:45 AM

Thank you, I sure like the knife

Posted by: Buck Buchanan

Re: This Old Randall - 11/22/14 10:43 PM

This model 14 showed up at my tables at the last Greensboro Gun Show. What struck me was the condition of the sheath leather. It might have been dyed black at the shop, Regretfully, the snap came loose and was missing before the new owner bought it.

One of the best Vietnam era model 14/Solingen Randall's I have seen. The closeup shot shows the "newness" of the leather at the throat. It may not have seen much use. Note the lack of the wrist thong liner, which might indicate an early production knife.

Original owner's name & service number etched on back. Original owner requested reverse side not be shown.

Posted by: Buck Buchanan

Re: This Old Randall - 12/11/14 12:45 PM

I brought my Canon SLR camera back last Saturday from the Fayetteville Gun Show for security reasons. Then on Sunday morning prior to returning to work the Show, I thought the chances a Randall would show up on Sunday worth photographing.would be "nada".

I learned MY lesson. Count on it happening. A retired soldier from the 10st ABN Div showed up with this knife without the sheath.

Its another early Model 14 without the wrist thong hole liner.
I believe he said he got it in 1966, prior to going over to Vietnam. He mentioned that he got it quickly, and I explained to him about the Solingen stamp on the trademark.

I hope I'll be seeing the sheath soon to photograph both together.

Fortunately, I always carry my old Nikon model 995 point & shoot digital camera that I bought in 2001. Hard to believe I paid $900 for this little number from Nikon with 3.3 megapixels.

THe picture quality isn't up to my standards but I didn't want to keep the customer waiting while I fiddled around with the camera trying to remember how to operate all the buttons.

The Latin phrase on the reverse side translate to "Fortune Favors The Bold". He had asked that his name be "erased" on the reverse side as well.

Posted by: TAH

Re: This Old Randall - 12/12/14 10:32 AM

Very cool, Buck. Always enjoy seeing a well used Randall and hearing the story behind it. Thanks for posting it.

Posted by: Fairbairn

Re: This Old Randall - 12/12/14 08:42 PM

I have a brand new model five, and the sheath merely has a 7 on the back. Should it not say 5-7?

Posted by: Peter_Kaufman

Re: This Old Randall - 12/12/14 09:06 PM

Model 1 and Model 5 use the same model A sheath, just marked for blade length not model number

Peter

Posted by: Fairbairn

Re: This Old Randall - 12/12/14 09:26 PM

Thanks. Very helpful response.

Posted by: Nucler

Re: This Old Randall - 01/08/15 12:13 PM

Speced out with Bo Randall in about 1974,
M-14, SS, black micarta, single finger groove, semi border patrol handle shape of that date.
Johnson rough back sheath and a spare, maybe two spares.
All like new, i did not take it over seas at that time as planned.
What is unique by far is the SS gaurd that GTR now tells me is a special Bo did for about a 100 knives, maybe.
Ill need to do sme decent pics.
Thx,
Nuc

Posted by: Whiteman

Re: This Old Randall - 01/17/15 06:07 PM

Here is a pair I picked up a few months ago.

Posted by: bphutch4

Re: This Old Randall - 01/19/15 09:31 PM

Trying to find some info on this knife. Been put away for 20 some years. Posted on another forum (gun) and tried to learn more about it but didn't work. Even tried to trade it for a single action 22 cal. pistol but no takers. Contacted Randall in Orlando and that was not very helpful. thanks Bobby

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 01/19/15 10:21 PM

Bobby,
What you have is "Solingen" Randall Model #14-7 1/2", "Attack" model. It is of VietNam war era, as is indicated by the unlined wrist thong. The entire package looks original...with the exception of the stone. It could be a replacement.
Hope this helps, Capt. Chris

Posted by: bphutch4

Re: This Old Randall - 01/19/15 10:26 PM

I think I learned to tie the wrist sling from a post you made some time ago...thanks

Posted by: Buck Buchanan

Re: This Old Randall - 01/19/15 10:36 PM

bphutch4,

Please direct your inquiries and questions here first before calling the Shop. They get about a hundred calls a day, and they try to do their best to accommodate, but....

We want to do all we can here, to lighten their load, especially on inquiries. Even as a Randall dealer, I call Captain Chris before giving them a call, to answer a question.

Posted by: bphutch4

Re: This Old Randall - 01/19/15 10:43 PM

Don't understand I haven't called anybody....

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 01/19/15 10:44 PM

I don't think the sheath is original to the knife, but it may be original to the stone.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 01/19/15 11:21 PM

Bobby,
I your opening comments you stated that you "contacted Randall in Orlando and that was not very helpful". I think that is what Buck is referring to.
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Buck Buchanan

Re: This Old Randall - 01/19/15 11:38 PM

My mistake, Bobby. I assumed you called when you said you "contacted" the Shop. Forgot about e-mail, my bad.

Still hope you and anyone else reading this apology will contact the Forum first, in the future.

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 01/20/15 12:42 AM

In fact that ole knife is affectionately called a hump back Solingen. Like Joe said that knife probably came in another sheath....not 100% but most likely and it would have been what we call a Riveted Johnson Sheath. That Model Randall served well in Vietnam.

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 01/20/15 12:46 AM

On second thought I believe that is the correct original sheath. If you look closely at it you can see punch marks where it was punched in preparation for rivets to be added. I believe it's good.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 01/20/15 07:50 AM

Like I stated in the Heiser vs. Johnsnon threads, that is the problem using photos. Often it is hard to say for sure. I can see one mark on the sheath that looks like it could be a punch mark but looks more like a dent than a punch hole. Don't know for sure and I only see one mark. You Ronnie?

Posted by: bphutch4

Re: This Old Randall - 01/20/15 09:46 AM

Thanks for the info. I am just goin to try to trade or sell it to buy a hand gun. Was just wandering what it was worth. Thanks for the help.

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 01/20/15 08:40 PM

Joe I think I see one across the way on the other side but can't see any at the throat or at the toe of the sheath.

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 01/20/15 08:41 PM

Perfect example of really needing it in hand to make the best judgement.

Posted by: bphutch4

Re: This Old Randall - 01/22/15 09:18 AM

Capt. Chris in talking about the unlined wrist thong are you talking about the hole in the handle. if so you are correct it is not lined but looks like a hole drilled into it. and does this lower the value...thanks
Bobby

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 01/22/15 09:35 AM

It is correct, as you described. Not a bad thing...at all.
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 02/03/15 09:22 PM

Trying out my new photo gear. It'll take a while but here's one for your "viewing pleasure"!
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris

Posted by: rigid54

Re: This Old Randall - 02/03/15 09:38 PM

That'd make any Commando proud -nice piece!

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 02/17/15 03:22 PM

Here is one that was a surprise!

Posted by: pappy19

Re: This Old Randall - 02/17/15 03:49 PM

Yowza!!

Pap

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 02/21/15 12:46 PM

This one showed up today. Early crutch tip with split back sheath. They don't get much more "mint" than this!

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 02/21/15 01:13 PM

Very nice Burnie.... The sheath is as clean as they come!

Posted by: Buck Buchanan

Re: This Old Randall - 02/21/15 07:59 PM

Dang, Burnie.

I need to move to Albemarle to get that lucky.

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 02/21/15 08:33 PM

Thanks guy's I've been out of the Randall's for awhile, but you know what they say! Once bitten always bitten! More to come

Posted by: Fairbairn

Re: This Old Randall - 02/21/15 08:45 PM

Beautiful model two, captain.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 02/21/15 11:22 PM

Thanks,
And you have trading material! Good to see you posting again.
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: desert.snake

Re: This Old Randall - 03/08/15 06:44 AM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291399028113

Strange model, fake or re-handle?
I reflect, to rate or not?
What is your advice?

Posted by: Byrdguy

Re: This Old Randall - 03/08/15 08:39 AM

I saw that and wondered about it also. I'm not versed well enough in the vintage knives to really know if it's legit or not.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 03/08/15 10:26 AM

It was once a Springfield Fighter with an 8" blade...... but has been broken and reground. The hilt and butt are wrong as well.

Just my 2 cents.....

It started something like this.

Thanks guys so many knives so little time!

Posted by: Whiteman

Re: This Old Randall - 03/28/15 07:17 AM

Thought I would post these under the TOR section. Some great blades under this thread!

A few others I am working on...

Posted by: TAH

Re: This Old Randall - 03/28/15 04:45 PM

Great looking knives, Whiteman. That #11 is fantastic. And rarely do you see the white face compass, that appeared briefly in the early 70s, on a 7 spacer knife.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 03/28/15 04:54 PM

Then it must be a replacement, because the knife-sheath is early 60's

Posted by: TAH

Re: This Old Randall - 03/28/15 05:03 PM

I questioned that myself, but I think it's a different knife than the one with the BB sheath.

Posted by: Whiteman

Re: This Old Randall - 03/28/15 05:24 PM

That is correct. It is not the 8-4. I could only talk him out of the 11 and 8. Maybe later on the others.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 03/28/15 05:37 PM

got it. Hard for me to see at the angle.

Posted by: Burnie

Re: This Old Randall - 03/29/15 02:26 PM

Need to make a correction here. This BB sheath is made by HKL

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 11/15/15 09:07 AM

I post this in response to Joe's wonderful article in the Knife News #7 issue about the use of brown micarta. This knife was passed to me by my dad, however he was not the original owner. I have posted this knife before, inquiring as to the "scout" etching, as well as the additional thumb notches. I've seen the etching "scout" on a couple knives, passing through eBay, in the past. The reason for this post is the brown micarta....I hope it is of interest.
:-)Rocky

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 11/15/15 09:39 AM

Cool old knife! Is that one of the early Model 11's?

Posted by: Byrdguy

Re: This Old Randall - 11/15/15 10:36 AM

That's truly a rare bird.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 11/15/15 02:59 PM

I believe it is, but I'm not the person that would know. I lack the knowledge.
:-)Rocky

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 12/08/15 06:40 PM

I must be getting soft in my old age..... I bought a knife that is not a fighter!!!

Late 40's model #3 with a 6" blade. Small stamp, nickel silver hilt, pinned stag handle with a thong hole and a Heiser riveted, wide flap sheath.

Posted by: TAH

Re: This Old Randall - 12/08/15 07:14 PM

Yea, you really ruined your collection with that one, Mitchell.

Posted by: Dirty_Water

Re: This Old Randall - 12/08/15 07:31 PM

Ooooh!, that's puuurrrty....

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 12/08/15 07:48 PM

Not soft, you have evolved! You need this one two:

Posted by: nesplin

Re: This Old Randall - 12/08/15 07:53 PM

Love the lines on those old knives!

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 12/08/15 08:02 PM

I'll probably move this one along before long....... it is a nice piece!

Than double pin is pretty sexy.

Posted by: jrandall

Re: This Old Randall - 12/08/15 10:11 PM

Joe,
Very nice old #3!! If you still want to trade for a new #1 and those surf lessons you keep begging me for don't hesitate to give me a call.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 12/08/15 10:16 PM

Tandem?

Posted by: Chief

Re: This Old Randall - 12/08/15 11:55 PM

Originally Posted By: tunefink

I'll probably move this one along before long....... it is a nice piece!

LOL That means that it will end up belonging to P_t R_m_l_ (would you like to buy a couple of vowels)?

Posted by: Byrdguy

Re: This Old Randall - 12/09/15 08:11 AM

Don't know if you're referring to me, but it won't be me. Probably too rich for my blood.

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 12/09/15 08:27 AM

Beautiful one Joe!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/09/15 11:18 AM

Tune,

Great knife! How can I not comment on it?

1. Small stamps on 6" and 7" Model 3's and 4's began immediately after WWII and almost without exception reverted back to the larger stamp within a few months. Until now, I have never seen a post war Model 3-6 with a small stamp any later than mid '45 (The 5 1/2" blade length versions all carried the small stamps until they were phased out when a 5" version of the Model 7 was offered in 1948). My Dad's 3-6 knife is an example made in the 1st half of 1945 with the larger stamp.

2. The sheath with your knife "looks" to have a narrow throat (I can't tell for sure). If it does, it's very unusual because almost without exception only 6" WWII Hunters had this sheath pattern. Here is a pic of both a WWII 6" Hunter sheath with a narrow throat and an immediate postwar 6" 3-6 sheath with a wide throat:

2. Nickel silver hilts were first offered in the 1948 catalog, so yours is one of the earliest to sport this option.

4. In the "gap" between the first of the post war Model 3 sheaths with black painted metal snaps in mid '45 and your knife with brown buttons in late '47 was the "translucent" button period:

6. Your sheath has conventional small rivets at the throat. If the sheath was made in the 1st few months after the war, it would typically have oversized rivets at the throat like the one Joe posted. Steve has an example of a 5 1/2" Model 3 on his site with small throat rivets and black painted metal snaps:

http://www.sharpinvestments.net/product/randall-model-3-5-12-made-1945-1948-added-61215/

Bottom line is that your knife and sheath are very unsual!

Best,

Ron

Posted by: TAH

Re: This Old Randall - 12/09/15 11:34 AM

Originally Posted By: BoBlade

Tune,

Great knife! How can I not comment on it?

Glad someone finally had the goods to pull Ron out of "retirement".

Always enjoy your posts and perspective, Ron.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 12/09/15 11:55 AM

Ron -

wouldn't it stand to reason that the sheath throat width is not "concrete" for the most part because of the "bin" issue. Not too may Hunter's during the war so I wouldn't think it would be that unusual to have a wide throat in a post war "3 1/2" or even 3 or 4 when they showed up shortly thereafter.

In fact, as you well know, the blade grind for the most part was of the "3 1/2" variety for a bit after the war. Maybe only a matter of months.

I think you meant your dad's knife was from the first half of 1946?

Tune's knife does appear to have a narrower throat.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 12/09/15 12:34 PM

Ron,

Thanks for all the info.....and I am glad you came on.

Two more clues.

It has a nickel silver pin to match the hilt... another late 40's tell.

The sheath is a fighter sheath. I feel it is original based on fit and condition.

After comparing a model 1 and this sheath, Ron is 100% correct...... it is a model #3. Ron, it does have a rivet in the keeper.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/10/15 08:41 AM

Small rivet and slots, so you have the rare transition sheath.

It's possible that the guy who did the stamping just picked up the wrong stamp maybe thinking it was a 5 1/2" blade. However, if it was stamped in 1945, it's a '45 blade and not a '45 knife as the lower quillion is the normal length. Most of those very early 3's had an abbreviated lower quillion like Joe's (Just another "tell").

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 12/10/15 11:51 AM

Ron -

Here is a 7" sheath from a WWII Hunter with wide throat and small rivets. My Commando from 1944 has wide throat and large rivets. Both sheaths are basically identical save for the size of the rivets.

Note the "true" 3 1/2 grind as you described above with the upswept tip. The early post war models while not appearing to being fully two separate models, 3 and 4, it seems the grind was modified for the most part and they were on the way to that end without the exaggerated upswept tip as shown in the photo.

I don't think Mitchell's blade forging is a that early. I think it was forged closer to when it was assembled. As you know better than most, fighter production was nil in those days, so the majority of production was devoted to field knives. I could be wrong but it would seem unlikely (not impossible) that that knife was sitting around for 3 years or so prior to assembly.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/10/15 05:54 PM

Joe,

Agreed: No difference between a WWII 7" Heiser sheath and one just post war up through mid '46 with the one exception that the very early post war sheaths had oversized throat rivets for a few months. The knife you posted: Are you saying it's a 7" WWII Hunter? It looks more like a 6" blade! Also, what kind of a nut on the butt? If it's not brass, it's not a WWII Hunter.

Your WWII Commando sheath: We've had this discussion before: I say the accompanying sheath with large throat rivets is a replacement if indeed the knife was made prior to mid '45. Let's just leave this that we agreed to disagree.

Following are some photos of some 7" post war 3's and 4"s to give you an idea of the general "sweep" differences (I'm posting 7 inchers and not 6 inchers as the extra 1" allows more room to sweep):

1. This is an early post war 3-7 by virtue of the oversized throat rivets and small stamp. It's the same knife that is in Sheldon's book on page 27 (Note that it was incorrectly identified as a Model 4. It has a "hump" coming off the hilt confirming it is a Model 3). Very little upsweep. I would not call it a "3 1/2".

2. This is an early post war 4-7 by virtue of the oversized throat rivets and small stamp. Certainly more upsweep than the previous 3-7, but not as exaggerated as later 4-7's from later in the decade.

3. This is an early post war 4-7 by virtue of the oversized throat rivets and small stamp. Certainly more upsweep than the previous 3-7, but not as exaggerated as later 47's from later in the decade.

4. This is a 3-7 from C 1948 (Page 38 in Sheldon's book). It has the same transition sheath as Tune's 3-6. A bit more upsweep, but again I would not call it a "3 1/2".

5. This is a 4-7 from C 1948. You can see the exaggerated sweep of this deep belly knife. Quite a difference from the C 1948 3-7 above.

6. Here are five 7 inchers. The first three are Model 3's. The last two are Model 4's. First is a WWII Hunter, the 2nd is a mid '45 to mid '46 3-7 with a wide blade and a small stamp (The corresponding sheath had small throat rivets), the 3rd is knife No. 4 above, the 4th is knife No. 5 above and the 5th is knife No. 2 above. This will give you a better perspective of the relative "sweeps" between 3's and 4's from the mid to late 40's.

7. Here is a pic of eight Model 3's spanning the years from 1944 to 1948. I guess you could say some of the were "3 1/2's", but the majority are within the norm for Model 3's. Some of the Model 4's pictured above could actually be called "3 1/2's".

8. Just for grins, here is a pic of a WWII Hunter with a sweep every bit as pronounced as a Model 4. In Gadis' book on page 105, he talks about the development of the Model 4 and his memory of a guy who wanted a larger upsweep for skinning during WWII. That knife must have been similar to this one:

Those are the only wartime large throat rivets I've seen.

Posted by: Whiteman

Re: This Old Randall - 12/12/15 09:37 AM

Tune is my hero...

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 12/12/15 05:33 PM

does this even get close??
snaps are different, that's for sure...one I had to sell for my dad's friend..

:-)Rocky

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/12/15 11:34 PM

I believe it is, Rocky (Transition sheath). Was that the 4-7 pinned woodie?

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 12/13/15 07:51 AM

damn!! you have a great memory!!
:-)Rocky

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 12/13/15 08:27 AM

Thanks. It broke my heart to see that great knife go for such a paltry sum.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 01/06/16 11:15 PM

Here is an old beauty, a model #5 with an 8" blade, pinned stag handle with finger grips in a wide flap Heiser sheath. It is in near mint condition!

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 01/07/16 08:23 AM

yep....it is a beauty!!!

:-)Rocky

Posted by: TAH

Re: This Old Randall - 01/07/16 01:05 PM

Mitchell, better hide that one from Rod.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 01/09/16 06:49 PM

Another oldie, but goodie from the collection I bought. This knife was featured in Hunt's first book. It's a 1943 chain link, model #2-7" in a Moore sheath. Both are in neat mint condition.

Posted by: Birdsinhere2

Re: This Old Randall - 01/09/16 07:55 PM

WOW!,,what a knife!

Awesome piece of Randall history to enjoy.

Favorite model 2 I've seen...good for you!

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 01/09/16 08:16 PM

folks don't realize how rare these are, and the condition is out of the park.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 01/09/16 08:35 PM

I think I told Mitchell, a Chain Link #2 equals a holy grail to me. (I kinda like model 2s, a little, some, sorta...)

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 01/10/16 01:31 PM

Joe,

Gaddis states that Bo made 1245 knives in 1943. The first Model #2's were made in April, 1943. The assumption is that the chain link thong was replaced with a drilled thong in early 1944 when Bill Platts was hired.

If you had to guess, how many model #2's were made with chain link thongs?

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 01/10/16 01:35 PM

Maybe one to two hundred. Really hard to say, but I don't think more than 100 war time #2's exist today and probably less than that. This is both chain link and drilled thong combined. I don't think there are more than 50 in collections and that may be a generous number.

Read here about one of the first two made:

http://www.rmkcollector.com/knives-collector-interest/bo-s-first-stiletto

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 02/03/16 11:31 PM

I picked up this 1964 era 2-8 about a month ago. Tonight I talked to the original owner by phone (two thousand miles away from me) the knife spent 64 and 69 in Vietnam, (Phu Bai, Pleiku) then liason work for tow years in Thailand. Intresting story, I hope I can get it wrote up in the Knife Knews. I'll add this... he ordered it and received it in Vietnam in 1964, and verified the sheath as the one it came in, in 1964.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 02/04/16 12:02 AM

Wally,
Nice find!!

:-)Rocky

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 02/04/16 07:41 AM

Way to bird dog that one Wally. Good work!

Posted by: TAH

Re: This Old Randall - 02/04/16 08:51 AM

Now that's a great looking Model 2!

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 02/04/16 02:19 PM

Wally this further reinforces my position that "SS" stamping lasted for a very short time. Starting sometime in 1963 it could have ended in 1963 or into 1964. In any case it was probably only a matter of months in duration.

http://www.rmkcollector.com/the-randall-...-randall-blades

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 02/04/16 02:28 PM

Yes, I think it's a good example for a couple of things, the sheath has a west facing stamp, good lord knows I don't want to create a controversy, but with the center snap it's safe (?) to say, earlier than east facing stamps and side placed retaining snaps. SGM (ret) Rodden told me he ordered and received the knife in 1964. It could have been in this type sheath, a known Johnson brown button, or a baby dot, all would be "correct". Anyway, it's great to solidify information by getting it from the horses (or original owners) mouth!

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 02/04/16 02:43 PM

Wally -

the sheath is an HKL irrespective of stamp orientation or snap location. Just look at it. I don't find it surprising the sheath was available from the shop for a 2-8. Viet Nam had not cranked up to what it would become, and a 2-8 probably wasn't in hight demand. It took some time for the shop to exhaust the supply of many of the HKL sheaths with some remaining for many years. They were socked away as I believe the Johnson with the baby dot snap was deemed a more durable product.

It is a valid point you made that any one of the three could be correct, although I would be suspect of a Heiser marked sheath. Not impossible, but improbable. Perhaps a field knife would be more likely.

Tom Clinton bought a bunch of old brown button sheaths from the shop I think it was in the 80's or 90's.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 02/04/16 03:07 PM

Another HKL, horizontal stamp, is the direction of the stamp insignificant, or did one appear perhaps before the other?

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 02/04/16 06:52 PM

I am not gonna get into the discussion of stamp orientation again only to say there was a standard with Heiser being horizontal with their oval logo. That standard carried over to the initial HKL sheath with an RMK stamp as shown in your photo.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 02/04/16 07:20 PM

Joe, I'm not schooled in RMKs enough make a honest/valid contribution to those discussions, especially on older knives. (Is early sixties old?) My question should probably have been about which of what kind are more/less common. It may be that I just need to look at more sheathes.(knives too!)

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 02/04/16 07:48 PM

You can start here wally.

www.rmkcollector.com

Check both The Randall Collector, and Knives of Collector Interest

I have more articles to post but an having some issues with the revamped site.

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 02/14/16 03:15 PM

Collection of Model 3's; 40's, 50's, 60's

Mid 40's Model 3 -6, FG Pinned Stag, Heiser Sheath

Mid 40's Model 3-6, FG Pinned Stag, Heiser Sheath Translucent Button

Mid 50's Model 3-7, FG Pinned Stag, Heiser Sheath

Early 60's Model 3-7, Crown Stag, HKL Sheath

Think it belongs here with the other 30 model 11's Randy. Yeah I do like that one pal!

Posted by: Whiteman

Re: This Old Randall - 02/14/16 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: W Polidori

Think it belongs here with the other 30 model 11's Randy. Yeah I do like that one pal!

Wow! 30 11s! I remember the one you picked up at Blade in 09. You let me shoot a quick video with your show finds.

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 02/14/16 07:43 PM

Yeah always loved that blade shape! Thanks Randy.

Posted by: Whiteman

Re: This Old Randall - 02/14/16 07:49 PM

This one belonged to a friend. It is pictured with his model 12 16ga. I was fortunate enough to pick it up at a local gun show last November and I have had the model 12 since 98.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 02/14/16 07:52 PM

Randy,
Is that a Moore sheath?
Nice knife, regardless, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Whiteman

Re: This Old Randall - 02/14/16 07:57 PM

Yes it is Capt. Thanks..had to let go of one of my Colts to make the trade.

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 02/14/16 08:01 PM

So Randy just so we understand, You took a gun to a knife fight and came home with a knife? LOL
Just kidding pal, great find. Please don't tell me what you traded for.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 02/15/16 06:58 AM

Great knives, Warren! They are near and dear to my heart as you know. There is a bit of a timeframe disconnect on this pair:

Originally Posted By: W Polidori

Mid 40's Model 3 1/2 (I think), FG Pinned Stag, Heiser Sheath

Originally Posted By: tunefink

Very nice Warren! I did not realize you had so many oldies. You added a great piece in Lakeland!

Why yes I did Tune thanks to you. I shipped my new addition home from Lakeland and it arrived safely. I couldn't be happier with this absolutely dead mint Crutchtip. '64-'65 I believe you said with splitback riveted sheath. You've got a few more in the vault that would make fine companions with this one. Thanks again for making this happen.

Posted by: Mike Keogh

Re: This Old Randall - 03/16/16 07:04 PM

Hi every one not really posted anything of interest but thought this may be.

Re: This Old Randall - 03/18/16 08:55 PM

correct.

Posted by: JE6245

Re: This Old Randall - 03/18/16 09:03 PM

Re: This Old Randall - 03/19/16 08:06 PM

Ronnie, when you come to a fork in the road....take it. A la Yogi Berra. You rock.

Pap

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 03/19/16 11:36 PM

Why, uhhhh thank you Pap.

Posted by: Whiteman

Re: This Old Randall - 04/04/16 06:25 AM

I thought I would post my Chain under this thread. Picked it up last year after a little investigating and bird dogging.

Posted by: Zogger

Re: This Old Randall - 04/04/16 08:13 AM

Very nice old RMK. It's a Model 1...right? Also, is that the original sheath?

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 04/04/16 08:17 AM

Randy, it's a nice knife, but you may want to be on the look out for a cleaner one.... Condition is everything.

Seriously, that is a beauty. It also provides confirmation that VL&A shipped Randalls in sheaths with Marbles snaps.

Great knife!

Posted by: Zogger

Re: This Old Randall - 04/04/16 08:35 AM

Question: How is the nut on the butt cap secured so that it does not loosen?

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 04/04/16 04:05 PM

Correct Zog, that is the right sheath. VL&A sold Randall's without the standard sheath and provided their own. It has always been speculated that the sheaths that VL&A used were provided by Marble's.

Posted by: Zogger

Re: This Old Randall - 04/04/16 10:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Ronnie

Correct Zog, that is the right sheath. VL&A sold Randall's without the standard sheath and provided their own. It has always been speculated that the sheaths that VL&A used were provided by Marble's.

Thanks! Been reading about Randal sheaths in the Gaddis book.

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 04/04/16 11:13 PM

Great book isn't it!

Posted by: william768

Re: This Old Randall - 04/04/16 11:40 PM

Really cool chain link fighter you have there.
They have one for sale on ebay right now ( item # 162023809919 ) . 8" Heiser sheath looks like it was made yesterday.Knife looks to be in really great shape.
The seller is asking $5,000. starting price and has ZERO feeback( joined ebay a few days ago ) . Go figure.

Ebay Chain Link Fighter

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 04/05/16 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Zogger

Very nice old RMK. It's a Model 1...right? Also, is that the original sheath?

http://www.rmkcollector.com/the-randall-collector/von-lengerke-antoine-randall-sheaths

Posted by: voodoo

Re: This Old Randall - 04/14/16 03:06 PM

Can someone out there give me any info about this Randall knife and sheath......

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 04/15/16 08:58 AM

Looks to be an early 50's Model 7-4.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 04/15/16 10:12 AM

How thick is the stock? It looks like a 5" #3 1/2. Difficult to say, just from the photo but the blade shape appears to be either a #3 grind or #4..."BUT" ( I know, I know )...it is not clearly apparent. Give us the overall (outside) dimensions, i.e. length from "blade side" of the hilt to the tip, along with the blade stock thickness (1/4" or 3/16", etc.) the width (top-to-bottom) of the blade.
Thanks, Capt. Chris

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 04/15/16 11:22 AM

Cap,

1. The spine has a hump coming off the hilt which rules out a Model 4.

2. The shop catalog did not offer a 5" Model 3 until 1967! Peened tangs went the way of the Dodo in circa 1950. You can take 3/16" thickness to the bank.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 04/15/16 12:28 PM

Could very well be Ron. I am just trying to find out those specs and go from there. I am not (nor never will be) a big fan of died-in-the-wool absolute nevers. Too many examples of RMKs contrary to that. It may very well be a #7 type Ron. If it is, it is the broadest (at least looks broad from the photos) older #7 blade I can remember. Most, if anything, were more diminished by today's comparisons.
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 04/15/16 12:29 PM

I also notice a "4" stamp on the Heiser sheath...Can anyone with better (interpretation: "younger") eyes see any other sheath markings?
Capt. Chris

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 04/15/16 12:47 PM

Cap,

Agreed that there are no absolutes where Randalls are concerned and each knife has to be evaluated on it's own merits, but in this case it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck. It's actually a no brainer when all the visual evidence is weighed. You'll see what I mean when the OP gives you the dimensions.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 04/15/16 01:01 PM

Never said it "wasn't" Ron...CCS

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 04/15/16 02:15 PM

Cap,

It's important to me that all Randall forums maintain a "warm and fuzzy" feeling. If I came off as having a closed mind, then I apologize. Sometimes I post just to share knowledge.

Best,

Posted by: voodoo

Re: This Old Randall - 04/21/16 08:17 PM

Here are some of the numbers blade thickness 3/16"
blade length 4 15/16"
blade width 7/8"
I hope this is what you needed Thanks for all your info and time if I can give you anymore info let me know Tom Ron what is a OP

Posted by: JE6245

Re: This Old Randall - 04/26/16 12:55 PM

I was hoping someone might respond once you gave the dimensions. The knife looks to me to have more of a "belly" than normal for a model 3 but that may just be the angle of the picture. But to me what's really interesting is the rivet on the keeper strap. I thought that ended in the late 40's. Also seems unusual that it has a keeper rivet but no other rivets. I think that's unusual. Well, except that with Randalls there seems to be an exception to every rule. Nice knife. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 04/26/16 05:00 PM

Mid 60's King Faisal II set.

Posted by: GCTom41

Re: This Old Randall - 04/26/16 05:04 PM

Bill,

One awesome pair of knives!!!! Great find there.

Tom Flynn

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 04/26/16 05:05 PM

Thanks Tom!

ps..... I purchased one of those Narwhal statues!

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 04/26/16 05:07 PM

Original Poster?

Posted by: GCTom41

Re: This Old Randall - 04/26/16 05:07 PM

They look awesome, especially posing knives with them for pic's!

All the best!

Tom Flynn

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 04/26/16 06:31 PM

Speachless Bill. I can spell patina, not sure I can get the words out now. They deserve a special mounting.

Bill,

You are cornering the market on Brassback Bowie's! Great job, love them!

Tom Flynn

Posted by: JE6245

Re: This Old Randall - 07/06/16 10:11 AM

Something about blind dogs? Awesome piece!

Is that the same as a blind squirrel sometimes finding a nut?

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 07/23/16 11:43 AM

...or blind hogs finding an acorn, every now-n-again! I think the fish & bar knives were available in stainless steel (rods, maybe?), although prior to a stainless blade stamp.
Nice knife, Capt. Chris

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 07/23/16 12:00 PM

Better check your shoes Bill, I think you stepped in it. Great find!

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 07/23/16 12:06 PM

I don't know.....y'all callin me blind......and a nut...... lol

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 07/23/16 12:49 PM

Originally Posted By: voodoo

That is a peculiar knife to me. My guess is that it is a real Springfield but I have never seen one with an etching like that....just US ARMY. That's weird to me but....the handle is spot on....at least to me. I think, if it is a real Springfield it is a later production one. It looks like it never had a stamp or at most a very lightly stamped logo that has been worn away. Mitchell and Joe should be able to tell you for sure.

Posted by: voodoo

Re: This Old Randall - 07/23/16 02:17 PM

Thanks Ronnie that was a great help,anyone else that might be able to add too that would be useful VooDoo

RKS 5457

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 07/23/16 03:33 PM

I've handled a few Springfields, over the decades, and this sure looks like one to me. US ARMY was, possibly, a later addition to this blade. It is very well done and nothing crude, added in WWII theater. At least that's the appearance it gives me.
Hope this helps, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Lofty

Re: This Old Randall - 07/23/16 04:20 PM

any chance left-overs were marketed?

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 07/23/16 04:29 PM

Absolutely there was a chance. Bo was offered to buy back all of the remaining Larsen inventory, which he declined to do. Everything was then sold "outside" of anything to do with RMK, and those are the oddballs that we see popping up all of the time.

Posted by: Lofty

Re: This Old Randall - 07/23/16 11:15 PM

That is what I thought when seeing it....no Randall mark, the very neat branch stencil acid etch (I assume), and would not be suprised if USMC or USN versions were out there....only other thought would have been lunchbox knife except the neat marketing symbol.

Posted by: str8shuutr45

Re: This Old Randall - 07/24/16 07:33 AM

Awesome knife- it's a real beauty! I just had to re-read the nice write up in Gaddis' book on page 46-47.
Great find!

Posted by: voodoo

Re: This Old Randall - 07/24/16 07:26 PM

I think there is a picture in Gaddis's book page 59 Cat.1
number 14 "fish" or"bar" knife

Voodoo

Posted by: Dirty_Water

Re: This Old Randall - 07/24/16 08:23 PM

I don't know....kinda looks "scratched" in to me...

LOL

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 07/24/16 10:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Tattoo Bill

Just picked up this WWII UDT Operations knife.

what provenance do you have Bill that states as such?

Judging by the apparent condition, I don' think that particular knife ever opened a bottle.

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 01:29 AM

Joe, that being an early fishing knife I think Bill meant that tongue in cheek.
The knife is a destroyer of fish.

Posted by: Lofty

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 01:22 PM

I kinda liked the UDT angle....take a break and pop a cap on a cold one after a hard day at the beach in Normandy. A really neat item of which I had only read.

Posted by: JE6245

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 01:50 PM

Great "catch" Bill. ;-)

That knife looks indestructible. Because of that, it seems like there would be more around than there appear to be. I guess there just weren't very many made to begin with.

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 02:39 PM

Lofty, if you think about it the UDT is possible. That knife, the Fish and Bar, as Bo called it was created before WWII. When the war started according to Gaddis production all but stopped on the Fish and Bar Knife. It stands to reason that a guy going into the military in WWII could have used one of these knives during the war.

Posted by: maxpastor

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 03:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Dirty_Water

Wow! Awesome pick-up Bill! Don't see those every day!

So Scott, do you think this is a UDT Knife???

max

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 03:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Ronnie

It stands to reason that a guy going into the military in WWII could have used one of these knives during the war.

One did, it is documented on pages 138-139 in Hunt's "Randall Military Models", but to make a blanket statement that there was some sudden flurry of purchases by the newly formed UDT in its infancy is a dream at best. Even the inference this took place is disingenuous without any evidence to support it.

Most of the maybe ten or so I have seen were found in atackle box or kitchen drawer. They were not very popular being limited in their use and the expense. That was a pricey bottle opener back in the day!

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Dirty_Water

I don't know....kinda looks "scratched" in to me...

LOL

I grinned. I almost laughed, but I did grin.

Posted by: Eric

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 05:14 PM

A WWII Ka-Bar (Camillus) UDT I sold. Nothing like Bo Randall's.

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: crutchtip

Originally Posted By: Ronnie

It stands to reason that a guy going into the military in WWII could have used one of these knives during the war.

You might want to read a bit further on page 138 about the original owner of John Cheek's knife.

For those of you who do not have access to Bob Hunt's book, here are the facts.

"Long before introducing the Model 16, Mr. Randall had designed a true saltwater diving knife, one of which is photographed here. The knife is interesting, but so was the man who used it. A pioneer in spear fishing and skin-diving in general, Hal Messinger was an underwater angler of some reputation before entering the US Navy during WWII."

"Subsequently he was elevated to a new position that put him in command of ALL combined forces of Underwater Demolition Teams (UDT). The organization was created through the influence of both the President of the United States and the British Prime Minister and Messinger's appointment was made on the recommendation of the OSS."

"As a Naval officer, he organized, trained and developed the UDT's, which led to their successful operations in clearing enemy waters on invasion shores. During his service, Captain Messinger developed procedures used to pick up SEAL teams from a moving boat"

"Hal Messinger carried the knife depicted during the war, but any reference to how and where it was used has been lost in time. Its unique design is devised from forging a 3/4-inch bar that was hammered and then ground to shape out of one solid bar of stainless steel. The result was a rustproof knife that held an edge and was ideally suited to the type of work IT WAS DESIGNED FOR."

To make the assumption that Capt. Messinger was the only member of all of these units combined that carried one of these knives, especially since he was in charge of training each and every last one of them, and that he would not recommend the use of one similar..... well that would be just asinine. I do not value anybody's snide comments or "mightier than thou" attitude, especially when it involves MY knives. I call it what I want because it is the only logical reason for it's existence.

If somebody would like to authenticate MY knife, send me $150.00 and I will allow them to look at it.

Posted by: maxpastor

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 06:01 PM

Eric,

does your knife have the Mu ( non-magnetic ) stamp?

some of the UDT/EOD knives also had a specific serial number Which I can't remember that number, which indicated Non-magnetic.

max

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 06:46 PM

It has been a loooonnng time since I opened any of Hunt's books so if I ever read about this fish knife that Bill is talking about then I forgot it a long time ago. I really did think Bill was joking at first but there it is. So it does stand to reason that some of these could have been used by sailors and soldiers alike.

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 06:47 PM

Eric that Kabar is fantastic. Wish that I had a shot at that one. It's cool as beans!

Scott, You have four beautiful examples in the museum. They are something that I have often overlooked until I had the opportunity to buy this one. I'm extremely proud to own it, as anybody would be. Thanks for all that you do!

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 08:30 PM

Great find Bill and very rare considering the condition of yours. Don't know how you do it but you continue to press it!

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 08:32 PM

Thanks Bud! You know as well as I do, condition, condition, condition!

Posted by: maxpastor

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 08:42 PM

you nailed it Bill, great knife, I think it is a biker's knife, ( Fighter, BBQ cutter and Beer opener ). doesn't get any better than that.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Tattoo Bill

Originally Posted By: crutchtip

Originally Posted By: Ronnie

It stands to reason that a guy going into the military in WWII could have used one of these knives during the war.

Just an FYI Bill, I an very familiar with John's knife and turned it down long before John owned it, partly because the service couldn't be documented. I know what was paid for it down the line from owner to owner. I know where it came from originally. You didn't even know what a Randall was when that knife showed up on the scene. Your knife is no more a UDT knife than you are an astronaut. All I did is ask you to produce evidence to your claim and you didn't, only relying on literary license exercised by an author.

That slippery handled knife that Messinger had problably saw little if any actual use in service. Maybe in his spearfishing ventures, gutting a fish, or cracking open a beer, but not combat related. That is pure speculation from Bob when he wrote the book, and he took some liberty in that description particularly when he said "Mr. Randall designed a true saltwater diving knife", which we all know is not accurate. It was never designed as a diving knife which would not come until 1958.

I also quote "any reference to how and where it was used has been lost in time". What a shocker. My guess is Messinger for most duty purposes carried the standard MK 2 as did most, and IIRC there was a "special" plated version available often attributed as being used by UDT's.

This is once again a case where what someone wants to believe overrides any logic or evidence, which there is none. It is not enough that it is a nice knife/sheath that is relatively uncommon that some folks would like to see. It has to be more.

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 08:52 PM

And you have to step in and spew your hate as usual. Your opinions hold no water with me. Period. I will continue to buy these museum quality knives and leave the culls for you, which you seem to like better. Move on and try to impress somebody else, because I'm not selling it to you. Good Bye!

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 07/25/16 09:02 PM

Bill's example seems to be much more refined.

These knives were billed as "rustproof". However, I saved a couple of pics of another that seems to have languished in saltwater for an extended time:

Notwithstanding, these pieces are some of the oldest Randalls that have turned up in the last couple of decades.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 07:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Lofty

As for provenance, it, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder,

.........................?

what is good enough for one guy is not good enough for another....

That is a really big difference in quality of work between those examples. Stainless then was not the stainless of today, and stainless of my youth was primitive in cleanliness to much of what available today, even in same exact named alloy.

It might have been with the rough example that all attempts at finesse ceased as soon as metal started having problems, and finished up to just to have something functional, maybe never even originally sold, but instead just given away.

May even have been a very earlier attempt with the stuff (big difference in handle style), which most assuredly does not react at all the way a normal carbon steel steel does to forging, especially if lousy alloy to begin with. Randall used the clean Swedish alloy O-1 to get around those sorts of problems even with domestic carbon steel.

Personally would just feel that as soon as the rough knife started having problems, as little more time was wasted on it as possible, and quit while ahead before something worse happened. It seems obvious is was trying to come apart.

As anyone from gulf coast will attest, with exception of H-1 steel, no such thing as truly rust proof, and it still would have "seemed like a good idea at the time" to anyone thinking a lot of salt water in their future. Maybe not so much, once they realized some fish with big teeth really like shiny things thinking it a favorite meal.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 10:43 AM

I think you missed Lofty on your analogy.

Provenance is based in fact, supporting documentation if you will, in this hobby to put a knife with a specific owner, place, and/or time.

Beauty on the other hand, is in the eye of the beholder relative to the aesthetics you prefer whether it be cars, knives, or woman.

The two are not synonymous nor a valid comparison, provenance is objective, beauty is subjective.

Link to an article I wrote several years ago:

http://www.rmkcollector.com/the-randall-collector/provenance

Posted by: Lofty

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 11:35 AM

I know this is supposed to be about knives rather than provenance, but I can have a knife of granddaddy's and know from stories, and write down those stories, or even have granddaddy write down those stories, and it might be I lied or he lied. I could even have photos of him with a similar knife, and for all we know, he borrowed a friend's knife for photos and then liked it so much that he bought one like it....it is all about what buyer believes, wants to be true, and is willing to pay for....still very subjective, and only changed by degrees as evidence mounts.

Back to the nice old knife, clearly and simply a difference of opinion on what that bar height might be, and it keeps sidetracking a really interesting thread.

Posted by: Lofty

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 12:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Tattoo Bill

You answered my question as to what the old girl was sent in for, and how much was done, tune up, new tires, oil change, etc.....looks great!

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 12:54 PM

Thanks again, my friend!

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 01:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Lofty

"Wants to be true"? Seriously? You can believe in unicorns if you like, but that doesn't make them real. A claim was made about the "provenance", use, intent, etc. of this particular type of knife. It is pretty simple really so I don't see why you are having such a hard time grasping the concept.

Did you read the article on provenance I linked? That would probably clear it up for you.

That being said, I asked a simple question about what is a nice example of the type, not for me, but nice nonetheless. I was lambasted as though my question was without merit and how dare I question the claimant. Not only on this forum, but on another forum I am told, where "historical accuracy" is supposedly held to the highest standard. If someone is going to claim John Wayne carried a knife, show me how you came to that conclusion.

There is an old adage, "Buy the knife not the story". That often holds true, but if you can back the story up, it is even better.

Posted by: Eric

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 01:38 PM

Just kidding. LOL

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 01:41 PM

One more shot for your viewing pleasure......

Posted by: JE6245

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 01:52 PM

Sorry Lofty but Joe's right. There are no unicorns. The Sasquatch ate them all. Everybody knows that.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 02:19 PM

As stated by "Lofty"..."Back to the nice old knife, clearly and simply a difference of opinion on what that bar height might be, and it keeps sidetracking a really interesting thread."

I might add, Lofty and others: Yes: Let's back to the topic of this age-old thread. "THIS OLD RANDALL". Side-tracking does happen..."BUT" how about enough of this particular side-track and let's see some more Old Randalls?
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 02:53 PM

Bill has the Moore sheath been modified? Such as...has the belt loop been removed?

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 02:58 PM

One of several that I purchased from another fantastic forumite! Model 4-7"

Posted by: Lofty

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 03:12 PM

I appreciate some moderation, in every respect, here.

As for the photo of the fish and bar knife and book together, my favorite things to have are the letters from owners or friends, or just as fun, the knife as featured in a publication, or even a knife by someone who also published a book, all as matched tidy sets.....makes for great displays, and far better also than even slicker photos with now quite predictable props. More info packed in the photo, I guess?

Some really nice classics there. And great to see up close and personal shots for workmanship, etc.

I only have one really boring knife posted earlier which you guys helped me confirm in dating.

And it a favorite mainly because my hero owned it, legendary CIA field operative, troubleshooter, and CIA gadget guy Harry Archer, a model for "Mr Clark" operative of Clancy novel note. A gift to another gent also in govt service, in thanks for "special firearms" work he did, and one of letters of provenance from the man who field tested Harry Archer gadgets and evaluated captured enemy equipment.

Harry went from college to the Yalu River, and back to college, and then the CIA late 1950s, and served in Asia, Africa, and Central and South America.

At the time this knife was made, Harry would not have been home on long vacations and camping trips to get away from it all. And yet the knife shows prolific use fire starting with a Doan firestarter, as well as a lot more use scratches than photos let on, and Harry was all about unobtrusive gear, such as favorite sidearm a Colt 1903 in .32ACP loaded with SWC ammo, this knife perhaps displaced in late 1960s by the famous Loveless Chute Knife.

I have no photos of him wearing it, or anecdotes from Tibetan and Nepali or South Vietnamese anti-communist fighters about Harry and his knife, but I still love this knife, and can just imagine what might have been, and it was owned and used by my hero.

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 10:27 PM

Pinned wood handles are suppose to be super rare . 1950's ?

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 10:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Lofty

Absolutely....a big saahLUTE from the pizza oven SEUS to Big Jim.

No idea what you just posted?

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 11:33 PM

I still have the stag....the others are long gone...I've owned the Ivory twice, it was my dads...The pinned wood was from my dads friend....I really wanted to keep that one, but was unable...The sheath....it did get something done to it, but we had no idea what...the leather was extremely brittle....pinned wood you say....I still have the one on the bottom!!

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 11:39 PM

Originally Posted By: thevalueman

Rocky,

No pics from the past but the bottom knife as you suggest, well that's just silky.

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 07/26/16 11:40 PM

Originally Posted By: thevalueman

boy!!! the summer heat has us jacked up!!!
Who does #2 work for!!!
:-)Rocky

Hahahahah that is perfect Rocky....can we get a courtesy flush?

Posted by: Lofty

Re: This Old Randall - 07/27/16 01:16 AM

Originally Posted By: W Polidori

Originally Posted By: Lofty

Absolutely....a big saahLUTE from the pizza oven SEUS to Big Jim.

No idea what you just posted?

Trans: a big salute from (typically hot as to make national news anywhere else) Dixie to Big Jim.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 07/27/16 07:39 AM

My dad's friend, who I sold the knives for, gave me these two for my efforts....that was nice of her, she was old, and needed the money. I got her a ton of money for her knives....much more that she was offered by two "collectors"...almost 4X more
:-)Rocky

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 07/27/16 08:13 AM

Love the Sun Valley. And the slender profile of your pinned wood handle. I recently acquired another slender knife. A Model 7-5" in Ivory.

Posted by: Michael_Mason

Re: This Old Randall - 07/27/16 08:19 AM

Originally Posted By: crutchtip

There is an old adage, "Buy the knife not the story". That often holds true, but if you can back the story up, it is even better.

Joe,

You know there are more knives out there without the provenance, than there are with. More transactions of knife sales without, than with.

Sure, it's an added bonus when you can have that, but I wouldn't want to discourage someone from purchasing a knife simply because it didn't have a paperwork trail following it.

The quoted statement above is about as good advice as can be given.

Posted by: JE6245

Re: This Old Randall - 07/27/16 08:19 AM

You folks are on a roll here. I'm really enjoying the show. Thanks!

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 07/27/16 08:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Michael_Mason

Originally Posted By: crutchtip

There is an old adage, "Buy the knife not the story". That often holds true, but if you can back the story up, it is even better.

How about we "all" go way back. Way back to when this thread was about "This Old Randall". I have tried to get it back on track. Please: Everyone> Let's see some cool knives!
Best, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 06:52 PM

I just got this one yesterday, it "spoke" to me...

Posted by: maxpastor

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 06:55 PM

Amen:

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 06:55 PM

I see your separate "S" ! lol

Posted by: RamKingJC

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 06:55 PM

Are you positive that was not Lori's voice?!?!??!

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 07:13 PM

So the consensus is S eperate?

Sorry James, no "friendly fire" on this one

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 07:18 PM

Without splitting hairs, that is what is generally considered a separate S stamp.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 07:40 PM

It's separate Wally.
Capt. Chris

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 07:44 PM

...Speaking of separate "S"...and Wally. Here's one that really gets him off the chain!
Best, Capt. Chris
Model #2-6", center-cut ivory, slab sides, 7 spacers, tight-stitched Maurice Johnson butterfly roughback sheath...and, yes: A Separate "S".
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 07:47 PM

Oh, you old dawg...

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 08:12 PM

I have to admit those are some very cool knives.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 08:42 PM

That slabbed Ivory "toad sticker" is one of my absolute favorites, and the good Capt. knows it. The Ivory looks perfect!

Posted by: GHD

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 08:58 PM

Posted by: GHD

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 09:09 PM

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 09:39 PM

Love them sawteeth!

Posted by: GHD

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 09:51 PM

Posted by: pappy19

Re: This Old Randall - 07/28/16 11:50 PM

You guys are killing us!!

Pap

Posted by: GCTom41

Re: This Old Randall - 07/29/16 07:00 AM

Capt. Chris,

The Ivory on that 2 with the slab sides is the best I have seen; that is an awesome knife!! Keep'em coming!

Tom Flynn

Posted by: Steven

Re: This Old Randall - 07/29/16 09:39 AM

I also think that the Ivory and shaping on that No. 2 is fantastic.

Posted by: New2Randalls

Re: This Old Randall - 07/29/16 11:50 PM

Captn, I really like that #2, especially with the ivory. Very nice knife, I only wish I could have a nice older knife like that in my collections.

Dan Snyder
RKCC CM #155

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 07/30/16 08:25 AM

Thanks to all for the comments. I was just trying to see if Wally was awake!
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris

Posted by: JE6245

Re: This Old Randall - 07/30/16 09:13 AM

Sorry to pile on here but that model 2 is about as good as it gets imo. I love the daggers and the slab sided handle with perfect ivory is just fantastic. Better bury that one deep in the safe Captain or it might go missing. ;-)

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 07/30/16 09:37 AM

It's pretty-much buried Jim...
Thanks, Capt. Chris
PS: Call or text or email me: You have a knife coming out! (I smell a "trade")!!...CCS

Posted by: JE6245

Re: This Old Randall - 07/30/16 12:18 PM

Will do. Thanks Cap.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 07/30/16 01:04 PM

First dibs Capt! First dibs!

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 07/30/16 01:29 PM

Here's an old Guardian, I picked it up at BLADE about 2 months ago. You can tell it's really been carried a good bit. What sank the hook in me was the feel, it's wayyy lighter than a current production Guardian. The handle is really slim to start with, and the blade is 1/8" stock. One in Maroon, and one in Westinghouse, and I'd be set!

Yes Rocky thanks to Big Jim Parker. I'll get him back on here again. Jim came up with a great idea and it stuck.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 08/18/16 07:29 PM

These two belong in this thread. The Zacharius was made in late 1942. It has to be one of the first few (1-5) ever made.

The leather finger-grip knife was probably made by March of 1943.

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 08/18/16 10:19 PM

I was happy to visit up close at Blade. Awesome knife Tune.

Posted by: Doug74

Re: This Old Randall - 08/28/16 01:20 PM

The Zacharius has me curious......was there a definitive year Randall stopped double-pinning handles? I have 1943 in mind.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 08/28/16 01:31 PM

I don't know the year for sure, but it was later than 1943. Probably a few examples into the mid to later 40's.

Ron and Joe may have better data points / opinions.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 08/28/16 02:18 PM

In late 45 or early46 the best I can tell with possibly a few stragglers along the way. I had a real nice stag with "3 1/2" blade grind with two pins that was post war so either late 45 into early 46. I don't think it took long to drop the second pin. The third and fourth photos are of a 1-8" from around the same period in a left over WWII sheath either prior to the switch to plastic snaps or was in the bin. In any case, it has one pin. I currently have a 2-8" with stag and single pin from the original owner that got it in 1946

Posted by: Doug74

Re: This Old Randall - 08/28/16 04:13 PM

Thanks for the info and photos.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 08/28/16 10:02 PM

Tune let me handle the Zach at BLADE, (thanks Tune) and as ungainly as it looks, when held as intended it feels very comfortable, and remarkably "useful".

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 08/29/16 06:42 AM

Wally, very good point and the topic of conversation between mitchell and me. The knife is "comfortable" in the upside down carry mode as intended for fighting, but not so much for utilitarian use. That is why we think that Bo did not make many (maybe 10 or less?) in that configuration, but probably more in the vein of the one pictured in Gaddis. It has a conventional stag handle.

Mitchell's knife was made June 1942, and you have to remember Bo switched to leather almost exclusively in November 1942. We know he had made only 28 knives by 7 January 1943, so his total production during that period was very small.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 08/29/16 09:51 AM

There were (Of course) some exceptions. Most notably were the carvers. I have not seen any with the larger diameter pin in any timeframe. Another data point is John'a prewar Hunter:

Post war there weren't many two pins at all, and none with the larger diameter pin. Those few that have turned up have the small stamp if they were Model 3's or Model 4's. They are also typically paired with a Heiser sheath with oversized throat rivets. Here's one example and Joe's 3-6 as depicted is another. Bottom line is that I think two pins went away just a few months after Bo brought out his new line of knives in the summer of 1945.

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 08/29/16 01:09 PM

Great information as always Ron!

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 08/29/16 02:10 PM

Originally Posted By: BoBlade

I have an opinion that differs just a bit. First of all, there was a difference in the diameter of the pins that coincided with different timeframes. Prior to the end of WWII, the pins were a larger diameter than those post war. Here are some examples:

There were (Of course) some exceptions. Most notably were the carvers. I have not seen any with the larger diameter pin in any timeframe. Another data point is John'a prewar Hunter:

Post war there weren't many two pins at all, and none with the larger diameter pin. Those few that have turned up have the small stamp if they were Model 3's or Model 4's. They are also typically paired with a Heiser sheath with oversized throat rivets. Here's one example and Joe's 3-6 as depicted is another. Bottom line is that I think two pins went away just a few months after Bo brought out his new line of knives in the summer of 1945.

I think you are saying the exact same thing. As I stated, I don't think the two pins lasted too long after wars end. Do I know if RMK difinitively stopped the regular practice say in October of 1945 or perhaps February 1946? No, no one does. Could we err on the side of being earlier rather than later? Probably. I do know I would never say never with RMK. All we can say with reasonable certainty is it apparently went the way of the dinosaurs as a regular practice not too long after the war.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 08/30/16 08:29 PM

Originally Posted By: crutchtip

The knife is "comfortable" in the upside down carry mode as intended for fighting, but not so much for utilitarian use. That is why we think that Bo did not make many (maybe 10 or less?) in that configuration, but probably more in the vein of the one pictured in Gaddis.

The stag grip of Mitchell's Zach has only 3 finger grooves, since the intended grip places the forefinger over the "teardrop" shaped quillion. Is it the only known example of a model one (if calling it a model one is correct, I think it is) with only a three finger grip?

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 08/30/16 09:49 PM

The model one as we know it had not yet been given the designation. Read Gaddis about the Zach and the history that brought about the "model 1".

Mitchell's fighter is a model unto itself. Did I say read Gaddis?

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 08/30/16 10:11 PM

Pre model one? Prototype, Zach, 1st fighter, I can live with any of 'em. Back to the fingergrips, have you (or anyone, for that matter) ever seen a fighter with a 3 finger grip? I guess it's important to me because I think the Zacharias knives, (ordered by the Lt. himself)
are the only ones ever made in that configuration, that physically demonstrates the designers' original intentions. One of those features (the relief in the spine, directly forward of the hilt) is still found on today's fighters. Maybe I see it as a "DNA marker" for the bloodline.

Added text... Reading Gaddis is a must, I noticed mention of an owners initials being marked in the butt of a pre-war carving knife that Bo gifted to someone. It's the only place in print I know of mentioning initials marked in the butt of a grip before the pics of the two known Zachs showed up.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 08/30/16 10:49 PM

The only one is Zacahrias.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 08/30/16 11:08 PM

This fighter, (pic stolen from BoBlade) it would have been made between July and October of 1942?

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/16 06:59 AM

Most likely. Could it have been made in November or December? Sure, but my guess is it was made earlier. Gaddis covers these hunting knives turned into fighters also.

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/16 08:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Wally

This fighter, (pic stolen from BoBlade) it would have been made between July and October of 1942?

Wally,

We had a pretty lively discussion earlier this year that included this knife:

http://www.knifetalkforums.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=137540&page=1

I certainly don't want to get back into it, but there is some good info and pics in that thread.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/16 10:06 AM

Thank you Ron, I re-read the thread. Being very much a novice, some simple points, from time to time, may seem overly important to me. The last few posts here have helped me come to this theory...
The four knives ordered by the Lt. probably all had stag handles, 3 finger grips, teardrop quillion, relief forward of spine to accommodate the forefinger.

The knife in Gaddis, referred to as one of the first 10, was not ordered by Lt . Zacharias, but made immediately after his order for 4 knives was completed. It incorporates practical improvements as Bo saw them.

The leather handled pre RWB spacer knives, like the one Tune acquired at BLADE, are probably the next step in the evolution of the model 1. (I was curious if any leathered knives were known with three finger grips.)

I'm just wondering outloud!

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/16 10:19 AM

Wally,

It's really great to see more and more collectors take serious interest "in the old ones"!

Best,

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/16 03:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Wally

IF you read Gaddis, he clearly states the Zach knives ordered were stag. I don't believe the three additional were in the same configuration as Mitchell's knife. Two were ordered in November of 42 (when the switch to leather was finalized) with the last ordered in January 43. These stag knives had handles similar as pictured in Gaddis page 67 but with crown.

Neither myself or Mitchell think Bo made more than a handful of his type of knife. I don't think maybe half a dozen. As I have stated, they were not the best for utilitarian use because of the upside down handle with grips. Also, the labor involved shaping the hilt was prohibitive versus a conventional hilt I would think.

Originally Posted By: Wally

The knife in Gaddis, referred to as one of the first 10, was not ordered by Lt . Zacharias, but made immediately after his order for 4 knives was completed. It incorporates practical improvements as Bo saw them.

I could not find the reference to the knife pictured on page 67 as being one of the first 10. I also don't see where it says the knife was ordered immediately after Zach's order, which was actually three orders, not one, spread out over approximately 6 months.

Originally Posted By: Wally

The leather handled pre RWB spacer knives, like the one Tune acquired at BLADE, are probably the next step in the evolution of the model 1. (I was curious if any leathered knives were known with three finger grips.)

I'm just wondering outloud!

I don't recall having seen a leather handle with finger grips, 3 or 4, designed for upside down fighting. I have seen a couple standard leather handled WWII fighters designed for edge up fighting style with an S guard.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/16 04:46 PM

I don't have anything to add to the opinions already shared. All of them are mostly correct, in my opinion. Truth is, no one knows for sure so the mysteries remain.

Here is a 60's fighter with upside down grips. The only other one I have seen. It was a bit pitted, so it has been shop cleaned. I think it is pretty cool.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/16 05:33 PM

Joe, IF you re-read my post, that you quoted from, in the first paragraph I say these are my theories. I'm not disputing anything in the book, as I said before, I'm wondering outloud. I appreciate ya'lls expertise, so I'm trying to coax everyone's opinion. For every one Randall knife I've seen you guys have probably seen a thousand. I'll look for the quote in Gaddis' that says about 10 "Zachs" were made, but the Lt. only ordered 4.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/16 07:38 PM

Wally, I appreciate your interest in the old ones and your willingness to wade into the discussions. I am always amazed at how easy these talks are at Blade Show but easily devolve online.

It's tougher to look a man in the eye than peck on a keyboard.

Posted by: CrazyCajun

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/16 08:04 PM

Boy ain't that the truth you%^#%^$&^*^*(!

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/16 08:20 PM

yes, it's pretty cool.....
:-)Rocky

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 08/31/16 09:36 PM

For 20 years I had one RMK, only one. 10/11 years ago I decided I should have another one. It's funny to me how collecting evolves, in just the past year I've become so much more attracted to the older knives. Folks in my shoes are fortunate to have the trustworthy dealers and expert collectors and history buffs to lean on and try to learn from on this forum. The anonymity and lack of personality that a keyboard creates is a small price to pay. No where else could I learn as much as I do here.

(Capt. Chris holding General Westmorelands Ivory handled 5-6)

Posted by: TonyLaPetri

Re: This Old Randall - 09/01/16 08:50 AM

Wally,

Very well said! I agree.

And sometimes ... eventually, that anonymity starts to disolve as we get the chance to meet in person...
like at a knife show, or during a trip to the shop.

Keep On Keeping The Faith Brothers!

Tony

Posted by: Hanks

Re: This Old Randall - 09/01/16 09:12 AM

Why are the grips reversed? What benefit does it bring?

Posted by: voodoo

Re: This Old Randall - 09/01/16 09:14 AM

I also agree with that statement from the Capt. I learn so much from this forum and all information that is passed on.There is so much to know about the Randall world. It seems the more i learn i realize how little i know....

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 09/01/16 10:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Hanks

Why are the grips reversed? What benefit does it bring?

Assuming you are right handed...
Lay your model one on a table in front of you, with the logo side up. The tip should be pointing away from you. As you pick the knife up, the web between your thumb and forefinger goes under the hilt on the edged side of the blade, and your forefinger by itself goes over the hilt on the spine side of the blade. Your other 3 fingers grip the handle. This grip allows for a strong push and pull. It is believed that the hardest blow to defend against is delivered from low at an angle. It sounds unusual, but will grow on you quickly.

Posted by: Hanks

Re: This Old Randall - 09/01/16 11:36 AM

Thank you Wally. I will perform the experiment tonight.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 09/01/16 09:12 PM

Quote...
IF you read Gaddis, he clearly states the Zach knives ordered were stag. I don't believe the three additional were in the same configuration as Mitchell's knife. Two were ordered in November of 42 (when the switch to leather was finalized) with the last ordered in January 43. These stag knives had handles similar as pictured in Gaddis page 67 but with crown.

Neither myself or Mitchell think Bo made more than a handful of his type of knife. I don't think maybe half a dozen. As I have stated, they were not the best for utilitarian use because of the upside down handle with grips. Also, the labor involved shaping the hilt was prohibitive versus a conventional hilt I would think. ...end quote

Joe, I think I understand your explanation now, Mitchells knife is the closest thing to Lt. Zacharias' knife known. Lt. Zacharias placed orders for three more, after changes had been implemented that rule out "duplicating" Zacharias' personal knife.
Since Mitchell's knife is sooo close to a copy of Lt. Zacharias', it stands to reason that it was made closest to the same time period. The biggest differences, no fuller in Mitchell's blade, and it's not crown stag.
So, it's possible the "Zach" and Mitchell's knife are brothers? Perhaps even made the same day, or a day or two apart? It's even conceivable that these are the only 2 of thier kind. They are the only two known with initials of their style in the butt. Maybe. The pictured knife, photo # 49, on page 67 of Gaddis, could it be... more initials?

Guys, let's keep this particular thread on topic. It has a long history.

Thanks,

Posted by: Byrdguy

Re: This Old Randall - 09/02/16 09:45 PM

Apologies, Tune. It does seem, though, that knife guys like guns cars and guitars.
Back on topic, Some great pics of some great knives that some of us would never see. Keep 'em coming.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 10/08/16 08:06 PM

I can't stand it anymore, I just gotta show it off a little... you know who you are, I appreciate you walking me into this one. many many thanks!

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 10/08/16 08:10 PM

Nice get Wally. Love those low S knives.

Posted by: rodbrown

Re: This Old Randall - 10/08/16 08:32 PM

Wally

Low S RMK are THE best of all the knives they make or
have made, IMO.

Posted by: Chief

Re: This Old Randall - 10/08/16 08:43 PM

Great get, liking the recon backdrop as well, Semper Fi!

Posted by: RamKingJC

Re: This Old Randall - 10/08/16 08:47 PM

FANTASTIC Wally... you definitely deserve that after all the Westmoreland work you did. Randall karma came around 4 ya!

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 10/08/16 09:43 PM

HA! Wally has crossed over to the dark side...... he is collecting Model #1's.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 10/09/16 04:05 PM

If "collecting" model ones is the dark side ... Tune is the devil!

Posted by: Chief

Re: This Old Randall - 10/09/16 08:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Wally

If "collecting" model ones is the dark side ... Tune is the devil!

LOL one's have nothing to do with it!!!
What makes him the devil to me is he always finds what I like.......1st!!!

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 10/10/16 02:17 AM

Whoa....low S. Very nice Wally!

Posted by: Fregis

Re: This Old Randall - 10/17/16 09:15 PM

Originally Posted By: crutchtip

Confederate, LH black Moore sheath, very uncommon leather concave handle, large duraluming butt, and brassback.

Rookie wants to know if this has been sharpened? I guess yes?

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 10/23/16 11:31 AM

Here is a super cool 6" WW2 fighter.

Just saying 6" WW2 fighter puts it in the rare group, but this knife has a Springfield butt cap and nut on an Orlando blade.

How did that happen?

Gaddis states on page 101:

"By 10 November (1943), things were moving along well enough for Larsen to send a detailed report covering sales of an additional 200 knives. They enclosed a royalty check for the whole 263 knives sold to that date, less a deduction for 100 butt caps and nuts sent to Bo."

The knife is in a Southern Saddlery sheath.

Boomer!!!
Nice Knife!!!
Welcome
:-)Rocky

Posted by: BoBlade

Re: This Old Randall - 11/10/16 07:47 AM

Originally Posted By: tunefink

Sorry for the late post, Tune / Boomer. That long shallow choil (Sometimes with a sharp radii) was seen in some knives that were circa 1960. Here are pics of a few more:

There may have been one grinding guy with his own idea of what a choil should look like.

Best,

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 11/10/16 09:01 AM

Pinned Ebony?

Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: This Old Randall - 11/10/16 10:31 AM

Posted by: Attila Mezzini

Re: This Old Randall - 12/03/16 10:38 AM

Thanks, Mitchell! Your comments are always precious!

Posted by: Judge Luco

Re: This Old Randall - 12/06/16 06:17 PM

Good friend of mine. This is his model 4 mid fifties guessing

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Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 12/06/16 08:01 PM

Welcome Judge,

Nice knife, but not a mid 1950. Somewhere between '64 and '72 based on the sheath, choil cut and seven spacers.

What does the stone look like????

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 12/06/16 09:32 PM

On spot Tune, like always!

Posted by: Judge Luco

Re: This Old Randall - 12/07/16 02:10 AM

Two sided crystonlon

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 01/23/17 01:09 PM

I just added this jewel to my fighter collection. My thanks to one of our fellow forumites.

It is an early chain link, Model #1 - 7".

Two things about this knife are worth pointing out.

First is the flap on the stone pouch. It has the rounded "lobe" shape like Clarence Moore sheaths. The assumption is that Bo sent a Moore sheath to Heiser as a pattern for their first orders.

The other is the flat grind of the blade and a much less prominent hump on the spine. I have an 8" knife that is very similar.

It's an mid 1943 knife...... and in great condition.

Re: This Old Randall - 03/11/17 01:25 PM

Many thanks!

Posted by: Chief

Re: This Old Randall - 03/11/17 02:03 PM

Re: This Old Randall - 04/12/17 05:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback

Earliest Brass-backed Smitty I have ever had the privilege to own.
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris

That's probably the nicest BB I've seen yet - one day I'm going to have to have one of those crew served weapons..

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 04/12/17 05:47 PM

"Crew served" Good one!

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 04/12/17 07:26 PM

The whole knife is way cool. Besides the parry strip, the soft edges on the scalloped collar and coolie cap are unlike later pieces which have more uniform and sharper edges.
Hard to explain how that handle survived where many others self destructed.
On to the sheath;well just damn near perfect.
Ran out if thoughts, still wiping drool off the chin.

Posted by: Oldvetnam1

Re: This Old Randall - 04/13/17 08:05 AM

That is one fantastic Smith Cap. Thanks for showing it.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 04/13/17 08:22 AM

Great old knife.... the ivory is amazing, it looks check and crack free. Very rare.

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 04/13/17 08:52 AM

It's not...(Other photo)
Thanks, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 04/13/17 10:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Captain Chris Stanaback

It's not...(Other photo)
Thanks, Capt. Chris

Yeah, still looking good.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 04/13/17 10:43 PM

My newest favorite, I'm left handed, so the lefty grips and sheath are a real plus to me. Low S, sawteeth, fingergrips, and compass. I'm by no means the sharpest collector out there, yet I think that's a lot of options for the '60s.

Posted by: Birdsinhere2

Re: This Old Randall - 04/13/17 11:38 PM

Wally, that's an awesome knife. It's right up my alley! WOW!

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 04/14/17 12:01 AM

Wally what's up with the edging on the sheath. Looks very rough. What does the back of the sheath look like. The knife is awesome. A great V/N era piece. Low S. Saw teeth. 7 spacer. Just an awesome knife.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 04/14/17 12:07 AM

Ronnie, it's just a little roughed up on the edge from use/wear. Nothing abnormal. It was carried, and used a bit. Not abused, though. It's a Johnson roughback, "east facing" stamp.

Posted by: Boomer51

Re: This Old Randall - 04/14/17 11:51 AM

Great looking knife Wally - liking the 105 in the background.

Posted by: mic214

Re: This Old Randall - 04/15/17 10:22 AM

Wally,

That's a beauty!

I would carry that anyday. I am a "Lefty" too, so that set up would work for me just fine…

Posted by: Boomer51

Re: This Old Randall - 06/11/17 09:51 AM

Nice old 60's 1-6 brownie. This one looks to have the same shallow choil as my 5-8 earlier in the thread and I'll have to get a comparison photo of the two posted.

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 06/11/17 10:49 AM

Wow Dwight looks new. Great find.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 06/11/17 02:09 PM

Hey boomer, even though your choils are shallower they still make a pretty sharp turn. With that west facing stamp and leather characteristics, plus the bottom quillion is a bit longer than the top, im gonna guess 1960.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 06/11/17 02:18 PM

Yeah, i looked on pg 137? You five has identical choils. As 62, 63, 64 came along the angle thinned out.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 06/11/17 03:05 PM

Blade grind changed in 1963 with a larger ricasso, with a byproduct of a different choil shape.

Posted by: Boomer51

Re: This Old Randall - 06/11/17 04:23 PM

Thanks for the feedback guys. Here's a side by side with the 5-8.

Posted by: pappy19

Re: This Old Randall - 06/11/17 07:00 PM

I am drooling over that Model 5, fantastic.

Pap

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 06/11/17 07:44 PM

Yeah, no kidding Pappy gorgeous pair of vintage Randall's. Good for you Dwight, congrats.

Posted by: Tracer

Re: This Old Randall - 06/11/17 08:25 PM

Outstanding pair, Dwight!

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 06/11/17 09:01 PM

Great pair, love the matching choils and the condition. Congrats.

Posted by: Boomer51

Re: This Old Randall - 06/11/17 09:13 PM

Thanks for all the comments fellas, I sure like the old brownies.

Posted by: GCTom41

Re: This Old Randall - 06/12/17 06:19 AM

Dwight,

Awesome pair of 5's!

Tom Flynn

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 06/22/17 01:53 PM

This Model 4-5" Skinner has a very interesting Heiser riveted sheath..

Very Small Brass Rivets at the throat.
Steel Rivet at the Keeper Strap
Non Metallic Metal (zinc) Keeper Snap marked "DOT".

It isn't a wide throat construction
No stone or pocket for reference. No idea if it was a wide flap, or different button.

Any comments?

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 06/22/17 09:18 PM

Keeper is not original

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 06/22/17 09:53 PM

That's what I was thinking......but what about those small rivets?

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 06/22/17 09:57 PM

All good.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 08/01/17 11:02 PM

These two are worth adding to This Old Randall.

WW2 pinned stag fighter also known as "hen's teeth" and a translucent snap fighter form the late 40's..... another rare bird.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 08/07/17 08:12 AM

Two great pieces

Posted by: Byrdguy

Re: This Old Randall - 08/07/17 08:19 AM

Dang, where do you find these things, Tune? Sweet. It's great just to be able to see pics of them.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 08/08/17 12:14 AM

Thanks guys, they are really good knives.

Pat, I bought those two knives at Blade show this year. There were some nice knives this year. Well worth the trip!

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 08/24/17 10:15 PM

I was catching up on knife stuff tonight and finally photographed this one for my collection.
It is a 1943 chain link fighter with a 6" blade. The sheath is a Heiser. The knife is etched with the original owners name and his service number is written on the back of the sheath. He also added his initials on the stone flap.
During WW2 Randall made about 4400 knives which is pretty impressive for a 1-3 man shop in a garage. Most were 7 and 8" fighters..... 6" blades were a small percentage of the total.
The aluminum butt cap has some interesting oxidation. It's rough and looks almost pitted. Knowing that Bo struggled to find materials to make knives during the war this could have been some inferior aluminum stock.
I have been looking for a 6" WW2 knife for a while and am proud to add this one to my collection.
Thanks for looking!

This is an interesting knife. It has a few odd things about it.

It's a 1964-ish Model #16 Diver with a Low S stamp.

The sheath is a pancake style which was common on the 16, but it has a stone pouch which is not common.

It has a tenite handle, but what makes that odd is that Low S knives were usually considered past the tenite handle period.

The tenite is secured using the single screw, filled hole method, usually seen on brown and black micarta.... very unusual.

Last is the etching on the back of the blade. There is the owner's name, but also the blade has been etched as a ruler. You can see the numbers 1 thru 6 from the tip to the hilt. Of course the hilt is 7"

Joe Dorsky and I discussed it and he recalled some guys that were abalone divers using these and using the ruler to size the catch in some way.

All in all a pretty cool knife.

Posted by: BladesNBarrels

Re: This Old Randall - 09/09/17 06:55 PM

Interesting ramifications to measuring legal length of Abalone. In California, you can get a ticket for using a gauge longer than 7"

"Abalone divers are required to “… carry a fixed-caliper measuring gauge capable of accurately measuring seven inches” (California Code of Regulations Title 14, section 29.15[f]) and are required to retain any legal-sized abalone they detach and add them to their bag (CCR Title 14, section 29.15[d].) It is fine to use a gauge larger than the required 7-inch gauge to measure over-sized abalone when trophy hunting. The problem occurs when a diver detaches and brings an abalone to the surface, measures it with only a 9-inch gauge, and then rejects it for being smaller than their personal target size even though the abalone may still be of the minimum legal size (seven inches or larger). This practice puts the diver in violation of the above sections and this practice is considered “high-grading.”

To avoid this kind of ticket, divers should not return any abalone before first measuring with a 7-inch gauge to be sure they are smaller than legal size. A 7-inch gauge should be in the immediate vicinity of where the diver surfaces (in hand, float tube or kayak) so that the abalone can be readily measured, and if they then turn out to be short, the diver can then return it to the same location where originally taken. The violation occurs when divers detach and then reject legal-sized abalone because they are seeking only the oversized ones."

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 09/09/17 07:19 PM

Huh..... how about that. Learn something every day. I wonder if the rules were similar in 1964?

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 09/09/17 09:29 PM

not a lot of these out there...mine has no markings but made 1964-1966....s/s blade and no markings of that as well, which was typical in this time zone...as I understand...BUT I'm not the expert!!
A low S...very interesting!!
All are wonderful...actually these are 2 that I had to sell for my father, and his friend...I could not find, off hand, a photo of mine...
:-)Rocky

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 09/09/17 09:45 PM

Great pics Rocky. I am assuming those are both pre-S knives.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 09/10/17 09:08 AM

Mitchel,
I lack that knowledge, but I would assume so. It is my understanding that #16's were not always marked with an "S"....and no choil...what's up with that??
had to take new photo's of mine...and before I get a keyboard lashing....I know, I should not have sent it to the shop for cleaning...I was young, and dumb....now I old and dumb, but know better!!
:-)Rocky

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 09/10/17 11:10 AM

Originally Posted By: tunefink

Great pics Rocky. I am assuming those are both pre-S knives.

It appears the knife in the second photo with no choil is carbon looking at the spotting on the tang. Divers were available in carbon in the beginning. I would venture to say they are uncommon.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 09/10/17 04:26 PM

The top one of photo is my dad's...the other one is from that collection. I'm not sure carbon or not, but that would a little on the unusual side...
here is the 15 that was next to it...they all had that blade "color", so I don't know the 15 was not SS. Also, it was a smoking house....she still does...right there in the living room...It's her house, so, I guess she can do as she wants...she's only 80 or so...

:-)Rocky

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 09/11/17 01:22 AM

Rocky that looks more like a 14 than a 15.....to me.
All extremely nice knives. I'm one of those who as far as I'm concerned would pay more for a shop cleaned knife than one in funky condition.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 09/11/17 08:20 AM

Yah....I got my numbers mixed up...

:-)Rocky

Posted by: TAH

Re: This Old Randall - 09/11/17 09:27 AM

Originally Posted By: tunefink

...but also the blade has been etched as a ruler. You can see the numbers 1 thru 6 from the tip to the hilt.

Very cool knife, Tune. The ruler was common on many dive knives in the 60s and 70s.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 09/11/17 12:53 PM

Interesting. Thanks Tom,

Posted by: crsides

Re: This Old Randall - 12/10/17 08:28 PM

Just picked this up last week. A/2C Daniel L. Reider's RMK model #1.
All I know is he was a career Air Force guy and traveled extensively during his time in. What's your best guess on the era this was made. 50's ... 60's ... ???
What are the chances the sheath is original to knive?

I've looked thru a bunch of pics here and did not see many #1's with this style hilt.

Thanks,
Charlie

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 12/11/17 08:43 AM

Late 1950's knife and sheath. The lugged hilt helps it stand out from the crowd, in a sea of Model 1's. Should have a grey stone in the pocket.

Nice find!

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 01/10/18 07:49 PM

Here's one you won't see everyday. A WW2 Bolo in a Clarence Moore sheath. It has a Springfield butt cap and nut.

In 1943, Randall sales were exploding and a man named bill Larsen started making Springfield Randalls in Massachusetts under license from Bo Randall. He paid 50 cents per knife royalty. In his first payment to Bo he sent 100 butt caps and nuts as barter. Seeing a Spingfield butt on and Orlando blade is pretty rare.

Anyway.....it's cool!!!!!

The funny thing is how I found it... Growing up in a new 60's housing plan,the new suburbia , the fathers all got together and built a baseball field for the kids on land locked property above the housing plan... It was flat but not level, outfield was higher than home plate... They welded a pipe back stop together and covered it with cyclone fence...
I always ended up playing out field because I sucked as at baseball...
The ball got hit down the first base line in and ended up in the woods...

looking for the ball, me and another friend both saw the ball at the same time in a big bush type plant and then realized that there was a big knife next to it... I said I sucked at baseball, not competition, I got to it first...
It's been a very long time since I told that story... and it's not a
BS fairy tail... My wife asked my what my father said when I showed him the knife??? I replied, Hell, I don't remember ... Probably his usual ... That's nice, I don't care if its right or wrong, just do something !!!

Posted by: Windsor

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Re: This Old Randall - 01/15/18 09:43 PM

Originally Posted By: dobermandave1

Dave,
And at the end of the day you used it as it was intended. I think it has all the provenance it needs. For you, are you ok with that? For us less fortunate to have such an old relic with history and cool stories, well wish I had one to share. Consider yourself fortunate.
Just one question...
What Randall of today would ya?

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 01/16/18 10:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Ronnie

I don' think he had any "restored" knives in his books. He was a sticker for originality. That being said, you can't really "restore" an old knife. The shop cannot match vintage finishes. While some knives such as yours may have benefited from being shop "cleaned", the vast majority of vintage knives will not.

Posted by: Windsor

Re: This Old Randall - 01/16/18 10:48 AM

Originally Posted By: dobermandave1

I'll be straight up... Not sure, what is the purpose of a write up letter ???

No problem with straight-up questions, those are best!

It's an authentication and valuation process, really.

Some want this before selling it, some want such for purposes of insurance.

Posted by: Rwf

Re: This Old Randall - 02/03/18 04:59 AM

Hi guys. Can you give me some info on the knife?

Thanks..

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Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 02/03/18 08:38 AM

RWF,

Welcome to the forums. Your knife is a 1944-1945 Model #1 fighting knife. I am guessing it's a 7" blade.

The condition appears to be very good.

The sheath is not original. It should be in a Heiser sheath.

Great old knife. Do you have any history on it?

Here is a picture of a similar knife with the correct sheath.

Posted by: Rwf

Re: This Old Randall - 02/03/18 05:03 PM

Thanks for the info tunefink.
Yep. Its a 7 inch blade.

The knife belonged to my grandfather that was in WW2. Im not sure if he carried it during the war. Unfortunately, He is not around for me to ask.

Why does my knife not have a white spacer on the end? Is that a custom thing?

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 02/03/18 05:07 PM

This was a two man shop so there was a lot of variability. Toyota it was not...

Great family piece!

Posted by: Tracer

Re: This Old Randall - 02/03/18 07:31 PM

Welcome, Rwf! Great first post.

The Ka-Bar sheath looks postwar to me, though I’m no expert.

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 02/04/18 03:30 AM

Boy if that knife could talk. Thanks for the great post RWF.

Posted by: Dirty_Water

Re: This Old Randall - 02/05/18 07:57 PM

Cap and I were discussing this knife during the gator show this weekend and we both were wondering if anyone else noticed the different colored fibers at the butt end vs the hilt end? Think it may have been "fixed" at a later date?

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 02/05/18 10:40 PM

Unlikely. I say all original

Posted by: Tanasie

Re: This Old Randall - 04/28/18 12:38 AM

...here's my Model 8-4" Trout & Bird...it has the Low 'S' stamp..7 spacer stack and nickel silver hilt.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 04/28/18 06:55 AM

Rex,
That's a nice one!!
:-)Rocky

Posted by: oneshot onekill

Re: This Old Randall - 05/15/18 12:17 PM

Just had this shipped to me...
Thoughts?

Posted by: Tattoo Bill

Re: This Old Randall - 05/15/18 01:32 PM

Righteous late 60's Airman.......

Posted by: oneshot onekill

Re: This Old Randall - 05/15/18 02:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Tattoo Bill

Righteous late 60's Airman.......

Thank you Sir! Just acquired her... I know it's nice to see signs that a blade was carried in harm's way, but I think a "new" 50 year old one has its merits as well.

Posted by: thevalueman

Re: This Old Randall - 05/15/18 06:55 PM

Thoughts????
It's darn nice!!

:-)Rocky

Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: This Old Randall - 05/15/18 07:02 PM

A great knife!
Very similar to my stainless 15 (except your brass hilt is thicker than mine, and your finger grooves are deeper). Assuming your stone and sheath are original, it appears that your knife was made between 1967 and 1969. [click for picture]

Posted by: Holzinger258

Re: This Old Randall - 05/15/18 07:10 PM

Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill

it's nice to see signs that a blade was carried in harm's way, but I think a "new" 50 year old one has its merits as well.

Thanks for that information. Still a 1970's build, yes?

Pap

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 06/21/18 07:52 AM

without having in hand I would appear to be the case

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: This Old Randall - 06/21/18 03:48 PM

I don’t remember those thick spacers in the 70’s. I love em and wish they still used them.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 06/23/18 05:56 PM

Duke McCaa and I made a little trip to pick up some hardware which would qualify as "These Old Randalls"

Posted by: rodbrown

Re: This Old Randall - 06/23/18 07:34 PM

Mitchell

What is the last knife? Also, about what age?

Rod

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 06/23/18 08:12 PM

It's a 1940's thrower Rob.... sort of cool huh?

Posted by: Boomer51

Re: This Old Randall - 06/23/18 08:25 PM

That's a NICE lot and the oldest thrower I've seen. Looks like a worthwhile trip for sure.

Posted by: Dirty_Water

Re: This Old Randall - 06/23/18 11:53 PM

Can u say J A C K P O T ...

Posted by: GCTom41

Re: This Old Randall - 06/25/18 06:49 AM

Mitchell & Duke,

Awesome get; like Scott said JACKPOT!!!

Tom Flynn

Posted by: TAH

Re: This Old Randall - 06/25/18 08:40 AM

Originally Posted By: tunefink

It's a 1940's thrower

Interesting that a thrower had a hone pocket.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 06/25/18 09:55 AM

It’s a Southern Saddlery model 2-7 sheath. Period correct and possibly original. It’s been with the knife a long time.

Edit.... it was pointed out that SS did not make model #2 sheaths, and this is probably a model #1 sheath.

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 06/25/18 03:43 PM

I spoke to Mitchell about this, and Southern Saddlery never made a #2 sheath specifically, only model 1 sheaths, as is the one being discussed.

As the sheaths got shorter, the natural curve was reduced to where it resembled a sheath that had straight edges, but if you look closely, the very slight curvature is there.

Posted by: Daniel Ross

Re: This Old Randall - 07/02/18 03:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Burnie

Very nice rehandle...

Posted by: Daniel Ross

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Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 09/01/18 02:30 PM

I finally bought this knife. I first saw it at Blade Show this year and the feller was not ready to sell. Persistence.

It's a late 1940's Model #1 with an 8" blade. The handle is ivory with finger grips. The sheath is awesome, a riveted, wide flap Heiser with red translucent snaps.

Late 1940's model #1's and #2's are rare. After the war, field knives were in demand. You will see more #3's, #4's and #7's from the late 1940's.

Posted by: pappy19

Re: This Old Randall - 09/01/18 04:46 PM

That is a beauty.

Pap

Posted by: W Polidori

Re: This Old Randall - 09/01/18 05:00 PM

Nice get Tune. I've only had one or two knives that had translucent snaps. Congrats!

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 09/01/18 11:27 PM

Mighty fine !

Posted by: crutchtip

First Crow's Beak - 11/03/18 01:06 PM

Perhaps the earliest "crows beak" butt made? Not sure, but most definitely on a fighter. While WWII vintage, note the peened tang on a brass washer, only time I have seen that IIRC. Belonged to actor John Carroll, the original Zoro amongst many others including Flying Tigers with John Wayne.

Posted by: Ronnie

Re: First Crow's Beak - 11/03/18 02:35 PM

Very nice.

Posted by: TAH

Re: First Crow's Beak - 11/03/18 03:15 PM

Any info on that cool sheath?

Posted by: Wally

Re: First Crow's Beak - 11/04/18 06:54 AM

Where's the blade?

Posted by: Steven

Re: First Crow's Beak - 11/04/18 10:48 AM

That is fine. Let's see more pictures, please.

Posted by: crutchtip

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Posted by: coachblalock

Re: This Old Randall - 12/29/19 10:29 PM

AWESOME!!!!

Posted by: Kirko

Re: This Old Randall - 12/30/19 06:03 AM

Extraordinary , no doubts !!!

Posted by: GCTom41

Re: This Old Randall - 12/30/19 07:11 AM

Awesome history in those two knives. Amy's sheath looks great!

Tom Flynn

Posted by: rodbrown

Re: This Old Randall - 12/30/19 07:41 AM

Mitchell

On the smaller/Commado knife, it has a crown stag handle. Do you know if crown stag would have been the exception OR the rule, for handle material for that knife/period?

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 12/30/19 08:08 AM

I am not sure Rob. I do know that LT. Zacharias' knife was a crown stag. He was making so few knives at this point that there probably was not a rule established yet.

It's also worth noting that he converted to stacked leather by late 1942. So stag was in use for less that 6 months in the beginning of the fighter period. Later in the war there were a few stag handle knives made, but leather was the rule for sure.

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 01/01/20 11:38 AM

Here is a bit more Randall Talk.

I had a fellow contact me on my website with an early 1943 fighter he wanted to sell and it just arrived!!!

This is a very early knife, made in the first few months of 1943. The tells are:

A metal center spacer in a non red, white, blue spacer stack.

Flat blade grind

Thin hilt

Smaller than average handle

Thin butt cap

Brass chain link thong hole

Rawhide thong strap

Unriveted Heiser sheath

Long round lobe on the stone pocket (Clarence Moore original influence)

Many of these early style points were gone by mid 1943. and the classic red, white and blue spacers, blade grind, butt cap and hilt were in place.

Condition is really good. The stone is missing, but I can fix that.

Enjoy!

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Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 01/01/20 02:04 PM

Way-cool Mitchell. Sheath has the appearance of a Clarence Moore with that stone pouch. Great find!
Happy New Year, Capt. Chris

Posted by: Dirty_Water

Re: This Old Randall - 01/01/20 04:12 PM

That's a beaut!!

Posted by: rodbrown

Re: This Old Randall - 01/01/20 04:28 PM

What a good way to start off the New Year, acquiring a great knife like that one.

Posted by: coachblalock

Re: This Old Randall - 01/01/20 08:30 PM

AWESOME!!!

I would love to know the story on this one!

Posted by: GCTom41

Re: This Old Randall - 01/02/20 05:58 AM

Great get, that is an awesome way to start the New Year!

Tom Flynn

Posted by: Art DeCamp

Re: This Old Randall - 01/02/20 08:33 AM

Thanks for sharing this one! What a great piece.

Art DeCamp

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 01/27/20 03:34 PM

De Witt County, Texas Sheriff Ray Markowsky served as the county's sheriff from 1946-1964. He was forced to resign, given politically incorrect procedures (which will be covered in the spring newsletter).
This is his RMK Model #3-7" and a very early example of a JRB, horizontal stamp, center-set brown button keeper strap, etc...
I know it ain't as old a Mitchell's fine knife..."BUT"...(Ahhh: I feel better already.)...it's damned early for a JRB. Hope ya' like it.
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris

Posted by: coachblalock

Re: This Old Randall - 01/27/20 07:36 PM

As my Dad said once:

“Small town Texas County politics are Dirtier than a used outhouse corncob”.

Posted by: alan_grombacher

Re: This Old Randall - 01/27/20 08:19 PM

Way cool set of knives. Thanks for posting them.

Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: This Old Randall - 01/27/20 08:51 PM

Originally Posted By: coachblalock

As my Dad said once:

“Smalltown Texas County politics are Dirtier than a used outhouse corncob”.

Coach, in my 70+ years of living in this great state I have observed that what your Dad said is true. The further south you go the truer it becomes.
Does anyone remember the Duke of Duval County? If so, what for?

Posted by: coachblalock

Re: This Old Randall - 01/27/20 10:47 PM

Tom:

Back in the 80s, I used to hunt on a ranch that adjoined his (actually his wife’s by then) outside of Freer.

We actually saw Mrs. George Parr once. She was a “looker”!!!

Coach

Posted by: Windsor

Re: This Old Randall - 01/28/20 03:20 PM

Originally Posted By: coachblalock

As my Dad said once:

“Small town Texas County politics are Dirtier than a used outhouse corncob”.

Curious what he had to say about Dallas county politics.

Posted by: coachblalock

Re: This Old Randall - 01/28/20 05:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Windsor

Originally Posted By: coachblalock

As my Dad said once:

“Small town Texas County politics are Dirtier than a used outhouse corncob”.

Curious what he had to say about Dallas county politics.

Are you talking about the Bill Decker / Henry Wade days or the Al Libscomb / John Wiley Price days???

Posted by: Captain Chris Stanaback

Re: This Old Randall - 01/28/20 08:24 PM

Guys...Let's try to keep this topic..well...this topic: RMK's (Older Ones) thanks.
Capt. Chris

Posted by: coachblalock

Re: This Old Randall - 01/28/20 08:35 PM

Sorry about that. But I do know a little about the Markowskys of Cuero and it’s interesting. That knife has a story!

Posted by: Leatherman

Re: This Old Randall - 01/28/20 10:09 PM

Any photos of citrus fruit specialized knives Bo might have made or used? Probably in the museum im guessing...

Posted by: tomthbomb

Re: This Old Randall - 01/29/20 09:41 PM

Sorry Cap

Posted by: Roshi

Re: This Old Randall - 02/18/20 03:23 PM

I bought this used 12-11 Confederate in rather poor condition in regards to edge chips and a bent tip. I restored it as best I could. I didn't realize that this one has a choil. I've only ever seen a pic of one other one like this. Can someone educate me?>

Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 02/29/20 08:32 PM

This beauty came my way. Purchased from the original owner that bought it from the shop in 1965. Low S, model #1-8" Some debate, but the handle is likely Rosewood.

Posted by: rodbrown

Re: This Old Randall - 03/01/20 08:11 AM

What a great looking knife. Good catch!

Posted by: crutchtip

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Posted by: tunefink

Re: This Old Randall - 03/01/20 01:00 PM

WW2 Commando.... a pretty special nut.

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 03/01/20 03:43 PM

Awesome. Any provenance?

Posted by: Wally

Re: This Old Randall - 03/01/20 04:10 PM

As beautiful as it is historic!

Posted by: pappy19

Re: This Old Randall - 04/08/20 06:27 PM

Check this out. Roger and I have been friends since I lived in McCall in the 70's, when he decided to start knife collecting instead of the Mountain man hobby.

Pap

https://www.facebook.com/100007698494786/posts/2602599080006683/

Posted by: BigJim

Re: This Old Randall - 04/09/20 06:25 PM

Wow! 3 Million+ Views, great job guy's.
Who'da thunk it?

Posted by: Chief

Re: This Old Randall - 04/09/20 09:19 PM

Originally Posted By: BigJim

Wow! 3 Million+ Views, great job guy's.
Who'da thunk it?

Me.......I love this subject. It's like the Randall History channel.

Posted by: alan_grombacher

Re: This Old Randall - 04/23/20 03:04 PM

When did RK stop putting the fishtail handles on the Model 24 Guardians? I am liking the fishtail 24s.

Posted by: Eric

Re: This Old Randall - 04/23/20 03:53 PM

My guess is the late 80's but before that was the Bat wing example found on one of the first #24 and so numbered 001.

Posted by: Dirty_Water

Re: This Old Randall - 04/23/20 05:21 PM

I started in 83'...long gone by then... Early(ier) 80's most likely

Posted by: LarryWW1246

Re: This Old Randall - 04/23/20 05:38 PM

DW--

Pretty good experience range for a 32-year-old!

Larry

Posted by: desert.snake

Re: This Old Randall - 11/11/20 04:21 PM

Now I noticed a Randall knife, with a Ka-Bar blade, it is during the vietnamese war. I know that Randall put the blades of the Solingen, but how much has been done with the Ka-bar blades?

https://specialforceshistory.com/products/randall-knife/

Posted by: desert.snake

Re: This Old Randall - 03/23/21 03:27 PM

This thing is old enough to fit here

Posted by: bpOutdoors

Re: This Old Randall - 04/06/21 11:40 AM

Randall Knife Model 5-7 Vintage...

Posted by: JE6245

Re: This Old Randall - 04/06/21 07:10 PM

Very nice! Thanks for sharing. I love the "oldies".

Posted by: crutchtip

Re: This Old Randall - 04/06/21 07:19 PM

Originally Posted By: RUTROW

$15k......is it worth it?

Very good question .

At $12K+ there were still 3 bidders trying to get it .

Posted by: RUTROW

Re: This Old Randall - 08/09/23 08:11 PM

Originally Posted By: william768

that one is in a Moore sheath, so earlier. The newer version appears to be made of flat stock, a completely different knife than vintage.

This Old Randall

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