Tulsa "BUILD"?

OK members,
I know we have a build going on over on BMK's forum and I don't want to mess with that..."BUT"...Here's the "deal":
TK & I are headed out in the early morning hours on Wednesday, November 6th to set up at the Wannenmacher's Tulsa Arms Gun & Knife Show! This is the largest gun show in the world! It also affords me the opportunity to "shop" for handle material...just like I do at The Blade Show.
What I'm proposing here is that we do a "Tulsa Build" with a piece of hand-select (literally) handle material that I pick up at the show! I just want to know one thing: ROLL CALL VOTE!!! Are you:
A) "IN"
B) "OUT"
Thanks, Capt. Chris
PS: A typical Tulsa set=up...CCS

Raffle build works for me.

Pap

I'm with pappy. Raffle sounds good. A
Walker

if you build it they will come
A
Sharpi

I'm in.

See ya on Thursday.

I'll play!!!

I'm in

A

A-Might as well.Can't dance

I'm always down for a raffle build

A) Count me in too!

A) I’m in.

Raffle, raffle.

Larry

A) I'm in.

I'm in of course

Why not..I AM from Tulsa lol

I am in. I have not hit the number in quite a few years but I did once so I keep playing the game.
Thanks Capt for the time I did win a build here.

Course have not been to the "Shop" in years either.

Tom Vaught

Come to the show and swing by the booth. Capt got one close to the front entrance (south side) this time.

In addition to being from Tulsa, Marty usually has a table... IN Tulsa!!!!

A

I’ll be there! Same time, same place. 8-C-2.
Captain and his crew know where.. ( upper level Middle) I’ll be stopping by.
Great show for anyone who’s on the fence.

I'm in

Coming up....3 choices for your viewing pleasure.
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris

OK Everybody,
Here goes! I promised to fetch up some handle material at the most recent Tulsa show so we could build a one-of-a-kind Randall knife. You'll notice 3 examples, shown below. Unfortunately, I could only find material of proper size to build 3/16" stock knives but it's nice stuff, never-the less:
Left-to-right:
A) Red Mallee
B) Pink Ivory
C) Cocobola
The last build consisted of 2 Model #8's, one standard and one old style. Those knives should be completed within the next 90 days, FYI. I hope we can agree on a way-cool RMK to build with one of these examples.
This build will be a little different. At the end, anyone getting in will simply add their name to the list. I will assign numbers, starting at #1 and continuing until all names have a corresponding number. The Random Draw (computer search) will determine which number (Crew member) will have the choice to purchase this knife...or not?? I will chose "3" names.
Also" Anyone bringing in a new crew member will get an additional number. If a couple of crew members feel energetic and want to go the extra mile, by signing up "5" new members, their name will go in the hat for a way-cool door prize also to be given away.
1st things 1st: Let's vote for one of these great examples of their species of wood, thanks.
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris
ROLL CALL VOTE!! Vote for one and one "ONLY"!
A) Red Mallee
B) Pink Ivory
C) Cocobola

B. Pink Ivory

No dog in this fight "BUT" if we were going to build: EITHER a:
* #2-4"
...OR...
* #2-5"
...Pink ivory would be BOMB!!
Thanks, Capt. Chris

B) Pink Ivory

B) Pink Ivory

A) I am in

B) pink ivory

B) Pink Ivory

Tom Flynn

B pink ivory

Pap

What the heck -- B

woo-hoo, I have a 16% chance at winning this thing!

"Hopefully",,,there will be more! Forums are definitely on the way out. It's a pity there is not an equal way to have viewership and the hands-on history/library all-in-one...
Capt. Chris

B
Sharpi

Pink Ivory --B

B

Yo Captain. Seems like lately there has been more interest and participation when it's a raffle build. Just tossing that out there. I'm good either way.

I don't think we'll sell enough numbers Jim. If somebody doesn't want to buy it, they can still participate in the build and then bow out for the drawing this way..."BUT"...I'm totally flexible, either way.
Best, Capt. Chris

I'M IN!

B. Pink Ivory

One thing to think about is if we all go for a raffle and in the end, the total raffle amount doesn't cover the total cost, the winner could pick up the difference, which would still be way less than the total cost.

Pap

OK, I'm in.

Even though the pink ivory looks to be the favorite, that Cattleman on the other thread has some pretty ironwood, which makes me think Capt. Chris's cocobolo is real nice.

I will vote for cocobolo, but would be happy with either.

Larry

I'm in Capt.
I'm intrigued by the Pink Ivory

Dennis

I kinda like Pap’s idea. More work for you Capt., but (I think) it makes the raffle more fun, given the chance to get a nice knife at a reduced price

OK Crew:
With 13 votes in, thus far, we have a 12-1 decided vote for PINK IVORY! That's what we will go with. I appreciate the support for this build and hope we can swell the numbers during the build. Remember: Ya' can't have at it unless you participate!
On to the next order of business. This piece measures just a tad over 1" in diameter x 4 1/2" in length. This will meet the requirements for almost all RMKs with a blade material of 3/16". There should be a couple of exclusions that I have found, over quite a bit of time building these things, that should not be considered. They are:
* Model #11's
* Model #22-4 5/8"
* #6-9", Large Filet
These models sport a more robust blade shape and depth and I believe this wonderful piece of pink ivory would yield a handle too smallish to be compatable with them.
So...As is usually the case, let's talk it out, express our preferences and decide what we're going to undertake!
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris

#6-9

Pap

I'll play #6-9 in pink ivory will make a good user, blood won't bother the handle at all.

Gents:
Model #6-9" should "NOT" be considered. Did I word my post wrong?
Best, Capt. Chris

Lots of choices. Here are two:

#5 - Small Camp
#27 - Mini with NS hardware

I am almost positive #27 mimi's are built exclusively 2 ways... Stag or copper with green micarta. I could be wrong

Could a #4-4 1/2 be done??

Could a Model 28 be done?

If not a model 2 would be sweet!

What about a #26 or an #8?

YES

#4-4 1/2" #8 #7 #26 etc...all good choices. #27 & #28?...Not a chance!
Hope this helps, Capt. Chris

Sooooo that's a no?

Your #3 choice was a #6-9. So that's not on the table?

Pap

LOL he got me too he listed the NOT to be built.

Not fair to old farts. Ok fine, then #7-5, crow's beak,wrist thong, ns squared hilt, thumb notches, all black spacers.

Pap

LOL it's the same when you talk to him as well!

Crows beak is a great way to cover up cool wood! 8-)

How about a #2-5"

Dennis

Yep Dennis...Doable!
Capt. Chris

Suggestion--maybe jumping the gun.

Model 7, either blade length, Stainless Steel, Model 6 blade grind, NS Hilt, Black and Aluminum, Wrist Thong, Duralumin Butt Cap.

Handle shape? Not sure what the stick of wood will accommodate, but on the smaller knife it might allow any of the shapes.

I think the option for the Model 6 grind is no charge?

Larry

#6 grind is a chargeable option.

I like the idea of the model 2, but more along the lines of 6" or 7".

That's "8" options Larry...???
Capt. Chris

Rob,
4" or 5" are doable (3/16" stock). Anything longer? Not-so-much (1/4" stock).
Capt. Chris

Well...it costs nothing to dream.

Maybe I need to switch this to your other topic...Dream Knife.

Larry

Good call, lest we should mis-guide crew members.
Best, Capt. Chris

Somehow I've missed this thread being re-opened and would like to participate . I think the #2-5" would be great.
Thanks for opening up another great Build.

My bad, missed the "3/16" stock only" note.

If we can CW a Model 22, I think that would be nice.

Aluminum/Red spacers, square hilt, WT.

Read Rob...#22 is on the no-fly-list! Too broad!
#11, #6-9" and #22 at least won't work. This material is too small.
Best, Capt. Chris

I like daggers so 2-5 sounds good to me. Fishtail? (Sorry, that one should go in the wish build thread.)

OK Crew,
Welcome Duke. Let's have a "ROLL CALL VOTE"! Vote for one of the following: Let's build:
A) Model #2-4" or #2-5" (to be determined later)
B) Model #4-4 1/2"
C) Model #5-4"
D) Model #6-4 1/2"
E) Model #7-4 1/2" or 5" (to be determined later)
F) Model #8-4" or #8-4"-Old Style (to be determined later)
G) Model #21-3 1/2"
H) Model #24-4"
I) Model #26-4"
J) GTR Special
K) Denmark Special
L) Small Gambler
M) Cattleman
A lot to consider...and the "TOP 3" will go on to the general election afterwards but these choices will work well with this particular piece if pink ivory.
Thanks, Capt. Chris
PS: Remember Crew: If you don't participate ya' can't get in on this knife...Thx, CCS

A

F

Thanks for listing them ALL side-by-side Chris, so that I can lay down the catalog & stop flipping pages. What a bunch of "loser" choices to pick from.....NOT!!!
I want all of 'em. Might as well put 'em on my dart board to help choose.
BUT,.....
B) Model #4-4&1/2"
And I'll be happy to list all of my reasons later, if needed.

A

C) Model #5 - 4”

L small Gambler

Peter

5-4

Pap

J

I

Nice to see your vote, Pappy. I figured I was swimming against the tide....

E Model 7

J GTR Special

J

F) model 8

D Steak Knife
Sharpi

I see about 5 that I want.
I'll start with A) Model #2

Dennis

Maybe...Perhaps..TOO many choices? I was just trying to establish which models the pink ivory would work on...and give you all the options. Hopefully, 3 will prevail. If not...maybe we'll vote on which models we "don't want"...just sayin...
Capt. Chris

OK Crew,
I see a couple of models which have zero votes. Several models have 1 vote only but only "3" have multiple votes. We are moving on. New vote coming up...and thanks for being so prompt in voting.
Any of these choices would make a very nice RMK. Please: ROLL CALL VOTE!! ONE KNIFE ONLY per member...and feel free to argue your case and influence the others to your side! (That's half the fun)
Best, Capt. Chris
A) Model #2 in 4" or 5" blade length (to be determined later)
B) Model #5-4"
C) GTR Special

A

B) Model #5-4"

After all, it will do what the other two will do.

Larry

Wow, I'm "Oh fer two" on this thread.

As for the vote:
A) Model #2 in 4" or 5" blade length (to be determined later)

B) 5-4

B) #5-4”. Who opens letters anymore?

B 5-4

Pap

A) Model #2 in 4" or 5" blade length (to be determined later)

5-4. This is a great all around knife.

C...... the GTR is a sweet blade that will do anything you ask of it!

C

A

All look like good choices but .....

A is my vote

Sticking with the GTR. C

M) Cattleman

Tom Flynn

C) GTR Special

OK Crew,
Just sat down to my desk after a 2-day marathon trip to the woods to pick up my venison from the processors. I have tallied up the vote and The A)-#2 and the B) Model #5-4" are both tied with 5 votes each. The GTR is close behind but in third, if you will...and Tom: Cattleman was eliminated earlier...sorry.
So...If there are no objections, I think we should vote between the 2 tied at the top and come up with the knife we're going to build so we can move on...What say you? While there can be great arguments made for a #2 or a small #5, I'll leave it up you crew members to "sway-as-you-will! (I know which one I'd chose...but I'm just the wrench...not the driver!
............"ROLL CALL VOTE".............VOTE FOR "1"!

A) Model #2-4" or #2-5" (to be determined later)
B) Model #5-4"
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris

A.

B) #5-4. I like the utility (as I would have the GTR, but it’s out of the picture)

A) Model #2-4" or #2-5" (to be determined later)

(already have a 5-4 user)

Interest has dropped off, as best I can tell, significantly. I'll give this 24 hours and then? Plug pulled!
Capt. Chris

b #5 4"

B) Model 5-4

B) #5-4

A Sharpi

B.

B) Model #5-4"

b

Better...much better. I'll call it tomorrow evening but #5 is leading the way right now.
Thanks, Capt. Chris

b

A) Model #2-4" or #2-5" (to be determined later)

Thanks for the votes. This time the #5-4" won out. I hope all of those "other choice choosers" will stick around and participate. As for the build: We are building:
* RMK Model #5-4 inch, Small Camp & Trail Model!
Standard this knife comes in carbon steel, "with" thumb notches, a brass single hilt, red, white & blue spacers, a stag handle and a Model "B" sheath in tan leather. There is no room on the sheath's front panel to add a hone pocket so that's out of the running.
Now then. How are we going to trick this pony? Let me hear your thoughts?
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris

How about brass and black spacers maroon micarta in Border patrol shape and wrist thong

Peter

Is a 22 crow's beak available on a 5-4? Never seen one.

Pap

Since we’re using the pink ivory for the handle, I’d suggest a single NS hilt, with red and aluminum spacers. Cap’n — does the size of the ivory you have limit us to a “standard” handle shape ( I’m thinking a 22 handle with a crow’s beak butt cap....)?

Since stag is standard, maybe the Captain's CW would not count as an Option?

I would opt for Stainless.

Larry

Brass single hilt (standard)
brass/red spacers
stainless
WT

2nd on Rob’s ideas above.

Brass hilt
Brass and red spacers
tool steel blade
wrist thong
black sheath

I'm with Bob and Alan ...

Brass single hilt (standard)
brass/red spacers
stainless
WT

Maybe add a compass?

Pappy,
You mean...like this? My bone linen micarta...and other goodies!
Best, Capt. Chris

Yes Cap, that's a dandy.

Pap

Pink BP shaped grip
SS blade
Brass single hilt (standard)
Brass & Red Spacers
TN
WT
Black No Hone Sheath

5-4, Pink handle, carbon blade, all black spacers, nickel silver hilt, 22 crows beak aluminum, wrist thong. Black pouch sheath.

Pap

This piece of pink ivory, being the shop's minimum size for this knife, would not be a good candidate for a #22 handle shape as there just isn't enough there there!
Also: CW, regardless of the original handle material "is/counts" as an option.
How about we decide if we want:
* Carbon
....or....
* Stainless
for the blade material?
Let's hear it, Capt. Chris

carbon

Stainless

Stainless

carbon

stainless

* Stainless

Stainless.

Stainless

Carbon

Carbon

Pap

Stainless

Stainless

Stainless

Dennis

Good morning Crew:
By a vote of 9-4 a stainless steel blade wins! Thumb notches are standard. Pink ivory wooden handle has been decided. So...What's next?
We still need to decide upon the spacers (or collar) and a butt cap, butt plate or neither, along with a wrist thong or compass. Still a ways to go including other option possibilities (HILT)? (SHEATH)?
Any ideas?
Best, Capt. Chris

Mel's arrangement might look nice with this wood:

Brass hilt
Brass and red spacers
Compass
wrist thong

With the CW and stainless, this would use up the five options.

The black sheath would be optional for me, maybe let the winner decide if they want it?

Larry

From the images I’ve seen on-line for pink ivory handles, I think a NS hilt with aluminum and red spacers is the way to go.

brass/red spacers

Same! Brass/Red Spacers

Wonder if the stick will allow a bit of Commando handle shaping? That would give a better grip.

Larry

Brass hilt
Brass and red spacers
wrist thong

I say again
-Brass & Red Spacers
-Brass single hilt
-WT
-Black No Hone Sheath
Get 'er done!

Thanks for all the input and I, just to troll against the tide, agree with REK. Nickel silver looks great with pink ivory...and ya'll "KNOW" I don't care what we build. Brass hilt with brass spacers (I would go brass & black) only uses up one option, a plus to consider as well.
Weekend's coming to an end soon and on Monday night we'll see the flow and move on. It looks like a brass hilt is leading...
Thanks, Capt. Chris
PS: Larry" I can request a handle shape but it will be minute if they agree at all...CCS

Brass hilt
Brass and red spacers

Brass single hilt (standard)
brass/red spacers
WT
Compass

I think the warmth of the brass and red/brass spacers
would go well with the warmth of this wood!

Without a butt cap, we really get ALL the wood!

Tony

I like what Tony is thinking. Great stuff.

Good point, Tony- about the butt cap.
Walker

I’ll go with Tony on this one.

Tony has my vote too.
Pap

Same as Tony.

It is a small knife, no need for a butt cap to balance blade weight.

And the colors should be attrative together.

Larry

Still singing my same verse......AND its the same as Tony's, BUT add the compass (as he says) AND
Black No Hone Sheath

Model #5-4"
* Thumb notches
* Stainless
* Brass single hilt
* Brass & red spacers
* CW (Pink Ivory)
...That's it...so far and "3" options used.
Next?
Capt. Chris

Add a wrist thong I would say

Peter

agreed, WT

Don't see a need to do a black sheath on a pink handle

Yep, WT

Pap

Once ya decide on which Randall, all the options are just personal preference;
can give all kinda' reasons BUT, it's really just "I like this/that 'cause I like this/that". So
WT.....please
Black NH Sheath........& heck, I'm color blind, so pink is a pale shade of gray and black is a very dark shade of the same; really makes no never mind to me.

WT

Larry

Duke,
No need to apologize. Black sheaths look the very best on pink ivory.
Best, Capt. Chris

Wrist Thong.
Compass.

Compass
Black Sheath

WT but no compass. Compass hides the wood.

WT.

Compass. It would be on the butt, and not detract from the wood looking at the knife side-on.

Also, the black sheath would make the wood stand out, and does not count as an option on the knife.

This has shaped up as a nice package either way.

Larry

Agreed, regardless of the end build, it will be a very nice one.

Pap

WT
Compass

Same is true of a butt cap but people seemed to be concerned about that. No big deal for me either way.

OK Crew:
It is almost unanimous on the wrist thong so that's "in"! Butt end we need to vote on as well as the sheath. One at a time: ROLL CALL VOTE: Pick one..."only"!
A) Compass
B) No compass
Thanks, Capt. Chris

A) Compass.

A) Compass

no compass

A) Compass

B -- no compass

B) No compass

No compass

No compass

Compass

Compass

Pap

B) no compass
Walker

A) Compass

We need an odd number to break the tie at sic all--Compass or No Compass.

Larry

No compass

A) compass

LOL

Maybe let the winner decide.

Pap

OR........just do like usual and let the Chief vote twice.

The problem with "just letting the winner chose" is that it delays the finished build by 2 months. I have to submit specs next week & had scheduled this knife to be on those specs.
Here's some "factoids" for everyone to ponder:
A) No compass requests, strictly to preserve nice wood on the end of pink ivory (which has very little grain to admire), is counter-productive!
B) Adding the compass increases the pricing on this build by an additonal $35.00!
..."&"...Ya'll know I don't care what we build..."BUT"...we are tied right now..."Will one good man please step forward?" (President Ronald Reagin)
Just Sayin',
Capt. Chris

Compass

Now that's funny!

I asked a customer today at the shop and he said No compass, ty...

Compass

Dennis

Surprised no one chimed in with a GPS.

Larry

OK Crew,
Compass it is. Here's the final build (knife-wise):
Model #5-4"
* Thumb notches
* Stainless
* Brass single hilt
* Brass & red spacers
* CW (Pink Ivory)
* Wrist thong
* Compass installed

....Now then: Sheath? Vote for one and one only!

1) Tan leather (standard)
2) Waxed leather (option/chargeable)
3) Black leather (option/chargeable)

Thanks, Capt. Chris

2) Waxed leather (option/chargeable)

3) Black leather

Larry

Black

Pap

waxed!

3) Black

Waxed.

What happened to the Wrist Thong?

(Did I miss something?)

Tan Leather, Standard.

Tony

YOU didn't miss a thing, you sharp Italian...I did! It's on the list now, thanks.
Capt. Chris

Grazie!

1) Tan leather (standard)

For me, brass means tan leather sheath.

Wrist Thong@

Black

Black

Thanks for the vote Crew:
Black is the winner by majority vote. The knife has already been booked and will be here in about 7 months! Now...Money??
Depending upon which vote I tally and depending upon who wants in, we have "up to" 15 crew members who have participated in this build. The knife will be charged as follows:
* Model #5-4"- $405.00
* Stainless- $65.00
* Brass spacers-$25.00
* CW Install- $30.00
* Wrist thong- $35.00
* Compass- $35.00
* Black sheath- $35.00
* Total costs- $630.00
...I am donating the pink ivory or this knife would run about $35.00 more. THAT means: This knife is "under" catalog price! Here's what I need from you all now: IN...or OUT??
RSVP: Name and position on this. After I hear from you crew members, I'll figure out the total each will have to submit for the raffle. No numbers this time, just Crew Names in the hat!
Thanks for your help with a great build, Capt. Chris

OUT

in

IN

Pap

Out

In!

Larry

Thanks Cap

but I am out, should be a great knife

Peter

I'm In

Dennis

Out, sorry

Sorry to see so many opting out. I have revised the price of this knife because..."IF" the knife comes standard with a stag handle, the upcharge for CW is only $30.00...not $80.00. If this might make a difference in your thinking it is ok to change your post or re-post.
Stay sharp, Capt. Chris
PS: Thanks Mindy for the heads-up...CCS

If we did a raffle instead, may more participants, just saying.

Pap

I'm out I'm afraid.

Alan is in.

Thus far only "5" are "in the hat". That would mean over $100 each for the drawing. This was youze-guys idea. STILL want to go on with it?
Let me know, Capt. Chris

I'm in.

Pap

Sorry missed 1st in/out vote, but need to bow out as well!

Raffle is too rich for my blood to gamble on. I'm out.

Capt. Chris--

A suggestion.

Do a drawing and let the winner buy the knife outright.

Might be more appealing than plunking down $100 in the hope of being drawn and maybe getting a bargain.

Larry

I agree. This one might be best done "the old way."

Hey Captain,

I would be OK with Larry and Rob’s suggestion.

Alan

I'm ok with that too. Whatever it takes.

Pap

Ok...Ok...
Here's the deal. "We" start a build one way. We vote on options, just like we have always done. We are now down to a third of the participants "because" of the initial "start" of the build being geared to finish one way and, in reality, the majority is now "out"!
Here's what "I'm" going to do and there's no vote on this one because I'm on my last nerve with this. I will post photos of the finished build and "anyone" who still wants in can get in...for as "much" as they care to get in for will be able to, so long as they participated in the build. We will have a 100 number raffle, just like the old days @ $6.00 per chance of 5 for $25.00. If we don't sell "ALL" 100 #'s everyone gets their money back and the knife will get listed on my website.
"That" should be pleasing enough for everyone, I hope.
Best, Capt. Chris
PS: in 6-7 months time we shall see...CCS

Cap
That's a great option. I'm in.

Pap

OK.

Captain,
Sounds good.

Been off line for a little while.
Lots happened.
I'm in this "Me Too" movement.
Thanks for the Build, Chris.

Capt
I dropped out cause I have a couple 2s and a letter opener
But put me in for a 5 for $20 or two
Sharpi

I dropped out because I was not willing to pay much more that $50 for a raffle entry and it looked like it was going to be more than that based on the small number of folks opting in for the raffle. But, I thought if not enough people were in for a raffle style deal then we would go back to the old style where whoever gets their number picked buys the knife at 100% of the selling price. Whatever. It's all good.

I'm still in Capt.
When will the raffle start? When you have the Knife or sooner.

Dennis

When the knife is here, in hand, I will post several photos on this thread..."THEN"...we'll see how many want a shot at it. That way:
A) I'm not "holding" anybody's $$$
B) I'll know if this'll fly or I have to start the refund process. Either way: It will be a short window...
Best, Capt. Chris

Good idea Cap. Could go over the actual cost.

Pap

Thanks Capt.

Dennis

It will be a stunning build to see.